In this episode we talk with Benjamin Fleury-Steiner and Jamie Longazel about their new book, The Pains of Mass Imprisonment. Benjamin Fleury-Steiner is Associate Professor of Sociology and Criminal Justice at the University of Delaware. For more than a decade, he has taught graduate and undergraduate courses on inequality, mass imprisonment, and the death penalty. Jamie Longazel is an assistant professor in the Department of Sociology, Anthropology, and Social Work at the University of Dayton. He teaches and conducts research in the areas of crime and punishment, law and inequality, and immigration. In this episode. we talk about how the authors emphasize the magnitude of mass imprisonment in the United States, especially of people of color by the voices and lived experiences of individuals.