We’re celebrating the end of the year with our most popular posts from 2013, plus a few of our favorites tossed in. Enjoy!
Here’s some great news. The vast majority of young people — about 80% of women and 70% of men across all races, classes, and family backgrounds — desire an egalitarian marriage in which both partners share breadwinning, housekeeping, and child rearing. The data come from Kathleen Gerson‘s fabulous 2010 book, The Unfinished Revolution.
In practice, however, egalitarian relationships are difficult to establish. Both work and family are “greedy institutions,” ones that take up lots of time and energy. Many couples find that, once children arrive, it’s impossible for both to do both with equal gusto.
With this in mind, Gerson asked her respondents what type of family they would like if, for whatever reason, they couldn’t sustain an equal partnership. She discovered that, while men’s and women’s ideals are very similar, their fallback positions deviate dramatically.
Men’s most common fallback position is to establish a neotraditional division of labor: 70% hope to convince their wives to de-prioritize their careers and focus on homemaking and raising children. Women? Faced with a husband who wants them to be a housewife or work part-time, almost three-quarters of women say they would choose divorce and raise their kids alone. In fact, despite men’s insistence on being breadwinners, women are more likely than men to say they value success in a high-paying career.
Look at this absolutely stunning data (matching ideals on the left; clashing fallback positions on the right):
One of Gerson’s interviewees, Matthew, exemplifies the egalitarian willing to fallback on a neotraditional family form:
If I could have the ideal world, I’d like to have a partner who’s making as much as I am—someone who’s ambitious and likes to achieve. [But] if it can’t be equal, I would be the breadwinner and be there for helping with homework at night.
And this is what women think of that:
My mother’s such a leftover from the fifties and did everything for my father. I’m not planning to fall into that trap. I’m really not willing to take that from any guy at all.
Alas, what appears to be a happy convergence between men’s and women’s ideals — both are egalitarians — can turn into an intractable situation: a man who won’t give up his role as the breadwinner and a woman who would rather do anything than be a housewife.
Cross-posted at Ms., PolicyMic, Footnote, and The Huffington Post.
Lisa Wade, PhD is an Associate Professor at Tulane University. She is the author of American Hookup, a book about college sexual culture; a textbook about gender; and a forthcoming introductory text: Terrible Magnificent Sociology. You can follow her on Twitter and Instagram.
Comments 189
Mammajude2003 — January 28, 2013
That said, in spite of our efforts for true autonomy, there is still a very strong taboo for women to admit that they would dearly love to be home with their children, to raise them in a serene and unhurried way, with dad as the main, if not sole, financial contributor and the evening and weekend childcare back-up. Because of our cultural bias toward 'self-sufficient' women (even as we hypocritically fall short of actually legislating women's equality in the workplace) those who think differently are shamed into voicing a 'traditional' perspective. Another deterrent to women claiming this view is that there exists a serious drawback in this choice - should dad and his income choose to depart for any reason, mom is left with little or no financial support and an employment gap that precludes being hired with any kind of decent salary. This looming financial insecurity can become a trap in itself, and may also contribute to the number of women who answer such polls saying they want equal professional achievement - not because they truly see it as the ideal, but because it is the least scary option.
Elena — January 28, 2013
I’d like to have a partner who’s making as much as I am—someone who’s ambitious and likes to achieve
It seems like this guy is working on a definition of "egalitarian" that is totally orthogonal to the one most women would be working from: a family in which the two parents do the same amount of housework and child rearing.
"Earns as much as I do and does all the housework too" isn't particularly "egalitarian", since it assumes the woman does the second shift at home on her own.
myblackfriendsays — January 28, 2013
What is the point in taking vows if you are just going to divorce when you have a major disagreement?
I am wondering if the women responding didn't interpret the question as, "If you wanted to work and your husband wanted to force you to stay home against your will, what would you do?" Because that veers off into controlling/abusive behavior.
I am happy to stay at home with my children, and if other people want to work--whatever. They are their kids, not mine. Different strokes for different folks, as they say.
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klm — January 28, 2013
It seems like something is missing here. The choices the respondents were presented with were designed to drive a wedge down the gender lines. If 'egalitarianism' isn't your first choice, why are your defaults 'neotraditionalism' or divorce? With those two options, the choices given to each gender are actually:
Men: "Less good alternative (now the breadwinner/less house-child-work to do)" and "Very bad alternative (divorce)"
Women: "Very bad alternative (loss of autonomy/greater workload)" and "very bad alternative (divorce)."
Were the same group also given a choice between Wife-as-bread-winner and Divorce? I'd like to see the numbers on that, to challenge your conclusion: "Alas, what appears to be a happy convergence between men’s and women’s ideals — both are egalitarians — can turn into an intractable situation: a man who won’t give up his role as the breadwinner and a woman who would rather do anything than be a housewife."
I have a hunch that you'd see those bars flip around if you changed the question around, making this an issue of losing one's autonomy and not just that men won't give up their breadwinning status or women don't want to stay home.
Kathe Douglas — January 28, 2013
Well, this explains the anecdata I've observed: the only couples among my circle of friends that have divorced are those where the wife was a fulltime housewife
Z.A — January 28, 2013
I find this piece a little problematic due to the vocabulary it uses. It assumes that being a stay at home wife is not a legitimate and desirable choice and is unquestionably the inferior choice. While I am a person that is child-free by choice, I would also like to not assume that my choice is superior to others that have chosen different paths.
Erin Bassett — January 28, 2013
I'd love to have a house-husband. I find it interesting that this position is not even mentioned in this post.
RexSchrader — January 28, 2013
Makes me wonder if there have been any studies about what they actually DO, rather than what they say they'll do. As someone else pointed out in an earlier comment, thought and action may be two different things.
Matt — January 28, 2013
Another variable missing from this is pay inequality. Women are both paid less than men for doing the same job, AND "traditionally female" careers tend to be lower paid.
Ideals aside, eventually families with children are confronted with a rational economic decision. When it's a matter of sacrificing a $75k / year job or a $45k / year job, many take the latter route.
Hal 10000 — January 28, 2013
This survey strikes me as less than informative. If I read it correctly, you are asking people about hypothetical situations. But what people say about hypothetical situations is often very very different from what they *do* in actual real-life situations. There are literally millions of stay-at-home dads and moms out there who didn't think they'd end up doing it. They found their job unfulfilling (not everyone gets to be an astronaut) or found staying at home more fulfilling than they imagined. Or they looked at the numbers and figured out that with taxes and daycare, they were working for peanuts. It's also easy to say you'd divorce someone you've never met. Much more difficult to do it to an actual person.
Orchid64 — January 29, 2013
The tone of this article, established with the first line calling the outcome "great news", is incredibly ethnocentric and biased. While my husband and I have played a variety of roles throughout our marriage (both working, he was a househusband, I was a housewife, both working again and now I'm a housewife again), we have never felt that any given situation was in any way "better" or for the best. Each of these arrangements was considered equally equitable and desirable to us based on our circumstances.
To say that it is "great" because both parties want to work is to assert that other options are in some way inferior. In many cultures, a person who stays at home and looks after interests on that front is seen as being an equal and valued contributor to the family unit (whether there are children or not). It is only in Western society, in which ones value is calculated purely based on the amount of cash one brings to the relationship. that a value judgement would be applied to such an outcome to a survey.
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Sartora — January 29, 2013
Wait, did they offer the option of a house-husband?
My husband spent almost three years at home with the kids, earning only a minimal amount of money on the side as a freelance web developer while I was working full-time. Did the participants in the study get to choose that option?
Bambert — January 29, 2013
I was a stay home mother and loved it, but it is not for all mothers. I was lucky to have a husband support us as well as help at least 70% of our duties. He also supported me as I went to college.
Things change in the family unit every so many years. Each generation has their own twists in lives, families, careers and economical situations.
I am shocked how young people live their lives, but I figure if you are happy, go for it. I lived through the 70's, my idieals are different than my mother's and my daughter's.
I say as long as their is love and a good foundation, in the lives involved, I say GOOD for them.
There are people who will never be happy with anyone, I feel BAD for those families.
In my life time I have been widowed two times. I feel sorry for people who think money is everything. When your loved one is not around to talk to, hold, love, help with chores and family, money is not that important.
Money helps to be comfortable and go places, but that ends when a spouse is gone.
Be happy, love, enjoy life, choose your life (not someone elses), talk (before getting married and having a family) and be nice to each other.
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Ohmyinvite — January 29, 2013
We live in a sick world if a mother is willing to pay some stranger to raise her child instead of taking the responsiblity herself and be a single parent. Disgusting! Keep moms at home! We are the rock and the heart of a family!
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ViktorNN — January 29, 2013
Women opting for divorce rather than being stay at home moms is a surprising answer.
Divorce most often means a significant lowering of quality of life by most measures and the across-the-board negative effects of divorce on children are well known.
Makes me wonder if the option to choose divorce in this study was contextualized with facts about the reality of divorce.
Anecdotally, this study doesn't bear up against my own experience. In the world of politically progressive upper middle class professionals, marriages where one partner gets to stay at home (usually the woman) are a sort of "status symbol."
It says your relationship is working, it says you're making enough money for one partner to stay at home, and it says your kids are getting the benefit of lots of care from a parent (the gold standard of child-raising) rather than being warehoused in daycares.
In this milieu, I sometimes hear these moms talk about going back to work at some point, but I hear very little handwringing or worrying about their current role. They're living a lifestyle that fewer and fewer mothers are able to live in this society (i.e. successful relationships + the time to really raise children properly) and they know it!
pduggie — January 30, 2013
Julia
pduggie — January 30, 2013
http://www.profam.org/docs/acc/thc_acc_state.htm
greyghost — January 30, 2013
I hope men are getting this and understanding that marriage to a woman today is stupid
שוויון, גאווה « קולמוס — January 31, 2013
[...] במאמר הזה שפורסם לפני יומיים מתואר סקר שערכה קתלין גרסון על זוגיות שוויוניות. הן הגברים והן הנשים ענו תשובות דומות – הם היו מעדיפים לחיות במערכות יחסים השואפת לשוויון אם כי יש לשים לב שגם ברמת האידאל, יותר גברים מעוניינים במערכת יחסים "מסורתית" מנשים. בכל מקרה, ה-Fall Back של גברים ונשים שונה מאוד. בהינתן חוסר היכולת להיות במערכת יחסים שוויונית, רוב הגברים העדיפו לקיים מערכת יחסים "מסורתית" בהם הם המפרנסים והאישה בתפקיד עקרת הבית. נשים לעומתם, בהינתן בעל שמעוניין בכך שיהיו עקרות בית או יעבדו במשרה חלקית לכל היותר, אמרו שיעדיפו להתגרש לגדל את ילדיהן לבד. כלומר, לעבוד אפילו קשה יותר, במסגרת תומכת פחות. מתוך המאמר הנ"ל [...]
GooZ — January 31, 2013
The data is only superficially "stunning," but the questions that were asked were sexist and pushed people into generating this graph. The women should have been given an option of being the dominant bread winner just like the men were ("neotraditional"). They were given no such choice, so they picked the one that gave them the most power: divorce. I bet if the options were:
1. Egalitarian
2. You as the dominant breadwinner ("neotraditional" for men, no similar option given for women)
3. You in the maid/nanny position ("neotraditional" for women, no similar option given for men)
4. Divorce
Both men and women would pick 1 (as they did in the survey), then 2, then 3/4 (not sure which one would come out on top).
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Axelsomething — February 5, 2013
Where can I find the underlying data, and methods used of this graph? I have to assume all of this is accurate because... why?
Would You Rather Get DivorcedThan Be a Housewife? [POLL] — February 5, 2013
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mr wavevector — February 6, 2013
"Faced with a husband who wants them to be a housewife or work part-time, almost three-quarters of women say they would choose divorce and raise their kids alone."
So women like egalitarianism - except when it comes to divorce. Then the kids are "their kids" and they expect full custody with no paternal interference.
Apollyon — February 7, 2013
Interesting that women's fallback position is taking the kids away from the father and raising them 'alone' (no, with alimony and child-support...not to mention gov't subsidies, but I digress).
A man's fallback position is to be the breadwinner and take care of the family.
Which sex is the selfish one?
Housewifery – laurapants — February 7, 2013
[...] I’m pleased when I read that a majority of women would rather be single mothers than married to someone who’d rather they sta.... Maybe it’s in the phrasing. I’d rather be single than married to a man who would [...]
Makabit — February 8, 2013
I've been the sole breadwinner for my family for going on a decade. Let me be perfectly honest, I would kill someone, not anyone very nice, but SOMEONE, for the chance to be an at-home parent and keep house.
I don't think this is because I don't want an egalitarian relationship, I just want to tell my job to shove it and focus on raising my daughter. Not gonna happen.
Studio_poutine — February 8, 2013
Well, of course. If "professional homemaking" was the plum career some men seem to think it is, I doubt many women would get opportunities in the field!
Housewife, Homemaker, and Divorce « Manic Mayhem — February 8, 2013
[...] what happens if their ideal situation for whatever reason cannot happen. That article can be found here. Basically, it mentions that the majority of men and women both prefer egalitarian marriages. They [...]
Rebecca Jane Lockley — February 9, 2013
My husband is the "breadwinner" and I am the homemaker, but this does not make us anything less than equal! So he makes the money? So what. I have the right to spend it just as much as he does. We have a joint bank account (neither of us has a separate account) that his pay goes into. We pay all of our bills on direct debit (all the major bills are in both our names), and I do the purchasing of groceries, toiletries, household items, and most of our clothing with either my debit card for that account or cash I've taken out of that account. We have a joint credit card as well. The key word here is JOINT. If my husband had been unwilling to share his salary with me and give me equal access to it, I might feel differently.
Ivan Obregon — February 9, 2013
a bit outdated as women are quickly becoming the breadwinners in the family.....because they have to as much as they might want to.
Weekly Feminist Reader — February 10, 2013
[...] Most people of all genders would prefer an egalitarian division of labor within their marriages. But most women would rather divorce than be a housewife. [...]
Víkendové surfovanie « life in progress — February 10, 2013
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decius — February 10, 2013
I've got an unfortunate position: I believe that a rational egalitarian division of labor will require specializing rather than two generalists. I find that people who agree with me are typically better suited for and happier when serving in the same role I prefer, limiting compatibility.
Also interesting is the assumption that children and childcare duties exist. Does the set of non-breeders have the same distribution?
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[...] In her 2010 book, The Unfinished Revolution, Kathleen Gerson notes that most women would actually rather get a divorce than be a housewife. While I think this is kind of an offensive notion to women who are truly great and happy stay-at-home moms, it also makes perfect sense to me. As someone who works from home, and ultimately gets sacked with a lot of the day-to-day household responsibilities (mostly because the house is my office, so if it’s dirty, I have to look at it all day), I still raise my hand when I feel like I am doing more than my partner. On the weekends the household, the pets, and much of the burden of maintaining some kind of semblance of adulthood in our lives falls to him so that I can have fun. Because that is what I want. I don’t want to be left alone, I want to cut loose! So that is the deal we’ve made, and with minor jabs and nagging here and there (from both sides), it seems to work for us. And if it didn’t, I’d get out – because I have big, crazy, impractical dreams and I don’t want any one else’s dirty laundry to get in my way. [...]
Divorce > Housewifery « Lady Economist — February 11, 2013
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Apulee — February 11, 2013
for the happy stay home mothers, I salute you. But,what if after many years of happy marriage, the husband wants out. The woman will be left with no job and no experience to get a job, no retirement, no social security and no insurance. And worst of all if he leaves for a younger woman. It is important for each individual to be self sufficient regardless of sex. Therefore the chores at home have to be equally shared.
Direpenguin — February 11, 2013
Apparently, housework is so awful nobody wants to do it.
Two Incomes are Better Than One* « Fathers, Work and Family — February 11, 2013
[...] Further evidence comes from Kathleen Gerson’s 2010 book, The Unfinished Revolution, that discussed how, among those under 30, about 80% of women and 70% of men desire an egalitarian marriage in which both partners share breadwinning, housekeeping, and child rearing. This finding is echoed by Boston College’s New Dads study, which found 70% of men aspired to shared providing/caretaking. (in reality, this egalitarian ideal is difficult to attain- to be discussed in future posts). [...]
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Pbaflamere — February 25, 2013
This is not great news, it is incredibly sad and selfish.
Sarah — February 25, 2013
i would like to know who her respondents were... are they already married with children? we can say we want things to b ea certain way, but until you are living that life it is all just speculation...
wyclif — February 25, 2013
Egalitarianism is the great trap of the modern age. When I read studies like these, and the cynical comment threads they generate, I'm truly thankful for my decidedly non-egalitarian, homemaking wife. Brilliant, beautiful, and intelligent, she applies her gifts to raising our children while I bring home the bacon. I wouldn't have it any other way, and refused to get married under any other arrangement. I think men should seriously consider what kind of situation they are brokering when they decide to marry a feminist egalitarian. Better to simply stay single.
Dual Earner Families Have Less Stress, Fewer Divorces — The Good Men Project — February 25, 2013
[...] Further evidence comes from Kathleen Gerson’s 2010 book, The Unfinished Revolution, that discussed how, among those under 30, about 80% of women and 70% of men desire an egalitarian marriage in which both partners share breadwinning, housekeeping, and child rearing. This finding is echoed by Boston College’s New Dads study, which found 70% of men aspired to shared providing/caretaking. [...]
Kathleen A. Peck — February 25, 2013
This article isn't great news at all ...it's very bad news ...particularly for future generations who will suffer for it!
Mommy — February 25, 2013
Don't fall for the lie. Staying at home, caring for my kids, homeschooling, is the greatest, most challenging, most rewarding 'career' there is. And yes, I've done the 'careers' outside the home. Nope, staying at home with the kids is better. My investment bears fruit unlike any career and it will always give back.
Heather — February 25, 2013
No wonder our country is falling to pieces. No one values family anymore and the children are suffering for it.
Ravenwolfe76 — February 25, 2013
How very sad. And our children pay the price.
Chicken Boo — February 25, 2013
It's a darn good idea to figure this out before marriage. "Do you want to be an attorney or a stay at home parent?" Easy enough. "Til death do us part should not end in divorce as often as it does. :(
Chicken Boo — February 25, 2013
I am sad that a woman who wants to raise her kids is looked down upon as inferior by those who fought for women's rights. If a woman enjoys being with her children for the short 18 years they are around, instead of playing office politics with people who really don't matter at the end of the day, why is she inferior to the working woman? I believe every woman is capable of doing whatever she wants just as a man is, but I know stay-at-home dads and don't deride them for not being "real men".
Ed DeBevic — February 25, 2013
And for what it's worth . . .my mom stayed at home, did a few work from home jobs while my Dad was a union carpenter. Pretty typical 70's middle class stuff. I am so glad I was not raised at a day care, and I respect my mom more than anyone.
NotLivingInFear — February 26, 2013
Oh honestly... Where is the male-stay-at-home version of the fallback? When your only options are psuedo-egalitarianism (no matter how much you deny it, once children are born, companies still "mommy-track" women, but no one ever says "are you sure you can be an executive? I mean, you've got children..." to men), neo-traditional, and divorce to choose from, you will order your 'fallback' choices differently than you would if the second option weren't 'mom stays home' but instead 'spouse stays home while you work.'
Before my child was born, the plan was for my husband to stay home and me to return to work, because both of us wanted it that way. After she arrived? We talked and were both relieved to find out that our perspectives had changed. He went back to work and I called and said I wasn't coming back from maternity leave. My colleagues said 'you'll go crazy! You can't stay home with a baby! What will you do for intellectual stimulation and adult conversation?!' my answer was 'have you heard of this thing called the Internet?'
The world is not as cut-and-dried as surveys like this try to make it. Google the 4-out-of-5 dentists who recommend gum fallacy... if you give people no other options? It's pretty easy to make it look howsoever you want it to. 20% don't recommend sugarless gum? 70% of women who responded would rather get out of a marriage with a man who was opposed to her independence? Imagine that...
Richard W1 — February 27, 2013
It's a logical and instinctive fall back position for a man to go out and be the primary bread winner, not least since young children want and need their mother.
It's a logical and instinctive fall back position for a woman to raise the children on her own, BECAUSE... the man could die or leave her. It's in the back of every woman's mind. Just as providing for the family is in the back of every man's mind.
What is not a logical fallback position for a woman is to ditch the man because she's "having a rough time".
This is the poison and absurd illogical immaturity that feminism brings us.
On the one hand women say they don't want to be housewives. On the other hand they say they'll ditch the guy (one of the few people in their lives who genuinely gives a damn about them and their kids).... if he tries to fall back to that logical situation of leaving them to take care of the children more.
How does ditching the guy make life any easier for the woman to go to work ?
It's like saying if your car gets a flat tyre, you'll burn the car and take the bus.
Lynne M — May 30, 2013
This is a bizarre and reactive way to break down the question. The men's preference was considered, so we get the 70% figure. That's fine. But the women weren't invited to give their preference - their choices were to either become a full-time housewife or get a divorce? What about working part-time, for instance?
That said, I doubt I would ever quit my job. Even the most committed, wonderful guy could still lose his job, get disabled, get sick, or (God forbid) die. Not to mention that a single income doesn't stretch nearly as far as it used to.
Miss N — December 29, 2013
Most of the housewives I know actually do have careers. I can't think of any married woman I know who has ever been a stay at home mom for more than 3 years (and even then its usually only after childbirth and if they are wealthy enough to afford it.) What I see more often is that women who are stay at home moms don't have traditional "office" jobs. They do catering gigs, they tailor peoples clothes, they help people with accounting for a fee.
Most working husbands I know also do contribute to the house in some way or another. They may not do the dishes or laundry, but they often handle house repairs, shuffle kids around or do outside work. It's not the same for everyone, and it does split depending on the couple. But most marriages I've known actually are fairly egalitarian...I have never known an actual "stay at home mom" who quit working entirely after marriage.
This survey looks at what people want from marriage, what they presume it could be. But I think what you want and presume is often far different from what you actual find yourself doing. Also...most families simply couldn't make it on the income of a single person anymore.
The Buzz | Researching Reform — December 30, 2013
[…] Most Women Would rather Divorce than Be a Housewife – the data is really interesting, but can we really have it all? Nigella Lawson would certainly have a view, as does Oprah. […]
Bill R — December 30, 2013
My advice is that couples flip their collective bird at both the traditionalists and the "egalitarianists" and do what works for their own marriages. Don't let those who claim to know what's best for "society" get between you. Let your marriage develop its own dream and society be damned...
Ignatz — December 30, 2013
I'm a male and I'm the opposite. If a woman would REALLY rather spend all day in a sterile cubicle taking orders from an asshole, go for it. I would much prefer being in my own home, taking care of my own kids, and not taking orders from anyone.
Karen — January 1, 2014
Actually, sounds the the goals are identical. Both would prefer egalitarian balance. As a fall-back, both would rather work full-time and have someone else raise the kids and manage the house. But for men that was defined as "convince my wife to do that" and for women it was defined as "divorce and hire someone to do that".
I find it hilarious and a little sad that the authors of the study consider delegating child-rearing and homemaking to be synonymous with "self-reliant." Hmmm. You're utterly dependent on your boss to keep paying you so that you can hire someone to watch your children and prepare your food. That's "self-reliance?" Really?
Fundamentally, all this study showed is that the most people feel scornful about the role of homemaker. The general feeling is that that kind of work might be necessary, but it's best to get someone else to do it. Kind of how we view teachers and farmers.
Seems to me that those who raise our children, educate our population and feed our people hold the fate of our nation in their hands. A little respect might be in order.
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lemmycaution — November 10, 2014
What would happen if your spouse lost their job?
men: I would support her
women: I would divorce him
Chris — July 16, 2015
The division of categories is misleading. This author's research is not fully objective despite her good intentions. Note that the title is designed to incite; the categories do not use the word divorce.
Both men and women want to succeed. Also, everyone would prefer to be self-reliant before having to rely on others -- we crave independence and freedom. The division of categories here drives a wedge between sexes that is unnecessary. Relying on others is scary -- our children must rely on parents, and when they become teenagers they choose independence. As results indicate, reliance is a minority preference for both men and women.
What this article incorrectly suggests is that men want women to be subordinate, the truth is that nobody wants anyone to be subordinate, and that if given the choice, they would prefer to maintain their career instead of relying on financial aid or complete dependence on another.
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when women start believing that making money is more important than the relationships they build with their children then don't ever question why the world becomes more self centered.
Thomas — March 30, 2017
What did Gerson base her data on? Because all the polls say women want to be housewives and work part time in extreme majority.
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99% of these comments prove even further how much women are infantilized, even by other women. They all say or suggest women must've misunderstood the question, only think this is what they want but really don't, don't realize how lucky they are to be able to stay home & homemakers are mad bc these women don't want their life. In reality, they just don't like the results/women have dreams outside of caring for men & kids.
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