Watching the ideas materialize, disseminate, get knocked down and picked back up all in near real time is either the greatest advantage digital dualism theory has, or its biggest downfall—its best feature or worst flaw. Or both. Personally, I’m having a blast, even if it’s a bit of a distraction from my dissertation. It’s the spirit of this blog, a rare academic space to try ideas out, work on them, debate them, meet new people, and watch the idea, one hopes, get better and stronger. Or sometimes no one cares and we move on. This is what I love about my colleagues on Twitter (I’ll never type the word tweeps), this blog, and the Theorizing the Web conference.
The drawback is that the theory is still piecemeal, undercooked, not fully developed. I can understand why some folks who are used to ideas arriving “fully formed” in a book are being caught off-guard. Indeed, as far as theoretical discussions go, this digital dualism idea has emerged and progressed in a way I personally have not seen before. It started when I, some random graduate student, tossed out the idea on a mostly unheard of blog. But then lots and lots of smart people joined in, as Whitney has thoughtfully summarized; with additions, critiques, and countless examples, discussions are getting more nuanced, longer papers are being written, conference presentation are being given, people keep saying the word “book”. Kim Witten said it well earlier this week,
It isn’t even an argument on the internet, really. It is a bunch of people with different perspectives figuring out something new and exciting. I want to be a part of that. I’m fascinated by it. It’s why I’m in academia
Right on! In this spirit, let me express a frustration and write, mostly for myself, about how I see this debate progressing and why I want to shift directions a bit. I’ll conclude by asking for some help. It started when an especially honest tweet fell out of me last week:
i'm in the ontology weeds right now, but my real interest wrt digital dualism isn't what exists, but what ppl think is important/human/deep
— nathanjurgenson (@nathanjurgenson) March 8, 2013
When I began graduate school and started to think conceptually about the Internet, one of the first things that annoyed me was people saying “real” to mean not-the-Internet. “Real” has a few different formal definitions and even more uses in practice. To make it too simple, I want to conceptually split questions of the “real” as a statement that something actually exists as a thing versus “real” to describe that which is more genuine, authentic, or true. Of course, these are deeply related concerns, but the primary focus on one or the other leads to different types of digital dualism critiques. I’ve always wanted to integrate these, but have been so far unsuccessful and thus want to change strategy a bit and pull them apart.
Ontological digital dualism is primarily concerned with “what exists”: are the digital and physical separate “things”? in different “realities”? “spheres”? are bits made of atoms? what about photons? I pointed a path towards this line of inquiry here by delineating four ontological positions based on strong versus mild digital dualisms and augmented realities. There has been significant debate on these terms, but Nick Carr, as much as we disagree, has always been right that the terms being used here are less than clear. Carr is right to say that, at the ontological level, almost everyone agrees that the digital has different and new properties and interacts with the rest of this thing we call reality.* This is what drives Nick Carr to say that the digital dualism critique isn’t useful. At the ontological level, yes, he makes a good case that we on this blog haven’t been overly convincing, though, I still think he is wrong. Evgeny Morozov has been especially persistent in taking Carr on, and we Cyborgologists are collectively working towards a convincing response—hold tight, we’re graduate students learning new literatures and writing dissertations on other things, so give us a minute. But something happened where these ontological questions have begun to dominate my own thinking, and I’d like to switch gears.
To get at this switch, let’s think about how it can possibly be the case that the ontology arguments aren’t (yet?) semantically clear, but, meanwhile, cases of digital dualism (“these kids with their Facebooks are trading reality for the virtual!”) seem so stark, so obvious. The situation can’t be as vague as Carr wants his readers to believe given the intuitive obviousness of digital dualism that so many people have latched onto. I think I have at least a partial answer for this.
For me, the strategy to move forward is to place ontology largely on the back-burner for a bit and focus on a somewhat different critique of digital dualism. The digital dualism I want to focus on is two-fold:
First, I want to refocus the definition of digital dualism to the moments where people downplay the role of the digital when speaking of something they think is material (wrongly called “real”) as well as downplaying the role of the material when speaking of something they think is primarily digital (wrongly called “virtual”). Regardless of your position on “reality”, this is digital dualism that underestimates the enmeshment of information and materiality, leading to ideas like Facebook comprises “virtual” rather than “real” friendships, that there is some “second self” that you inhabit online, and so on. Over the dinner table, in blog comments, in op-eds, in research papers, people often simply forget the material when talking about the digital and the digital in the material. Yes, people may almost never say the Internet is some distant other universe, but people do often overstate how distant and unrelated the material and the digital are. Those holding this digital dualist, zero-sum, conception of the on and offline are the ones surprised by research showing that those who do more online tend to also do more offline, opposed to the idea that people are trading “real life” in favor of living on Facebook.
Thus, digital dualism is the tendency to see the digital and material as too distinct, rather than enmeshed, consistent with the definition of the term I worked with one website to create:
n. The belief that online and offline are largely distinct and independent realities.
Second, I want to refocus on the question of how digital dualism—this tendency to underestimate digital-material enmeshment—often clears a clean path towards the claim that one (usually, but not always, the material) is more real, deep, human, and true. Not ontology, these are cultural value statements based on the idea that the on and offline are distinct rather than enmeshed.
My most passionate expression of this concern is my IRL Fetish essay where I argue that calling the digital “virtual” lets one simultaneously claim that which is not digital is “real.” It allows one to say that there is a crisis of the real, that it is disappearing in precisely the same moment that we are obsessed over it.** The real isn’t going away, what people are doing on Facebook is real and has everything to do with the offline. I end up concluding that that those asking us to disconnect and log off are too optimistic, just like Facebook is filled with the offline, the so-called offline, like Carr’s wilderness and Turkle’s Cape Cod, is similarly saturated with the online. Because I’m a giant dork, this is the argument that drives my interest. This is the anti-digital dualist, augmented, synthetic perspective that views information-saturation in what people call “offline” as well as the material, human, and political in what people call “online”.***
I very much welcome all the work people are doing on ontological digital dualism. I’ll drop by, promise.
I’d like to close with a question: do we need names for these different digital dualism perspectives? If so, what to call them? I’m asking, and would love to discuss this more in the comments.****
First, there’s ontological digital dualism theory that asks about what exists and is concerned with atoms and bits and photons and realities and spheres; Hayles, Haraway, and Latour seem like obvious starting points. I think this is a fine name for this perspective.
Next, there’s digital dualism theory that asks if a perspective or an idea or an articulation has or has not underestimated the enmeshment of the digital and the material.
Third, there’s the concern over the value statements that derive from the dualistic conceptualization, such as people fetishizing the digital as some new space impossibly pulled apart from messy material realities; or, opposite, but born of the same dualist fallacy, fetishizing the material as more deep, human, or true, what I like to call “the IRL fetish” or “digital dehumanization.”
So, what to call these last two concerns? In asking, I’m doubling down on the idea that this real-time and collaborative theorizing is a terrific feature of digital dualism theory, not a flaw.
Nathan is on Twitter [@nathanjurgenson] and Tumblr [nathanjurgenson.com].
*There are some who can make great arguments that “digital” and “material” aren’t words we should even be using, but let’s bracket that discussion for a moment since I’ve yet to fully digest this criticism, though I did write a head-scratching response.
**One might note the significant and intentional argumentative overlap between my point about the so-called disappearance of the real with Foucault’s similar point about sexuality in his “repressive hypothesis” throughout “History of Sexuality: Vol I”.
***Confession: I’m much, much more into the “digital dualism” theory than “augmented reality”.
****Again, understanding that the different perspectives are never cleanly separated but always overlapping to more or less of a degree at different times.
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Nick Carr — March 15, 2013
Nathan,
Good luck with the clarification effort.
One small correction: I don't see wilderness and the offline as being coterminous, either conceptually or experientially. They may both be fraught, conceptually if not experientially, but mixing them up is probably more confusing than clarifying.
Nick
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XXXX — March 15, 2013
Hey Nathan.
I've been a quiet follower of this entire thing for some time now and I, as well, am far more interested in the question as it is being framed right now: value instead of ontology. I think a Phenomenological exploration into this question could really enlighten the debate about the entire thing - not sure how you feel about that. I mean, Phenomenologically, even when I'm sitting at dinner having "real" conversations with people, they seem Phenomenologically situated in "both" worlds at the same time. I use quotes here because I don't know how to talk about what I want to say. I guess, in a language closer to you, the "real" interaction of eating dinner with someone is being "augmented" by them being on the phone tweeting or marking their location and who they're with and taking Instagram pictures of what they've eaten. I don't see, like you, a dualism in this situation, from my perspective, especially when those augmented interactions (eating with someone while they're doing phone stuff) end up being fed back into future "real" interactions and become the jumping off point for the "real" interactions of the future. For example: "I really enjoyed that Instagram picture you posted the other day - where were you? The food looked delicious!" What I see, phenomenologically, is the meshing and augmentation, the framing and an augmented type of situation. Now, I think there are cases where this argument isn't so cut and dry - like if you're in the woods or whatever, but a lot of the time your phone is with you, you're taking pictures (to later post), your comprising clever little statuses or tweets for when you get back - so, in a sense, we're experiencing "reality" or the "real" in an augmented type of way. For, as we're experiencing we're crafting not a distinct online identity - but an augmented one, an add on, one that will feed back INTO the real, authentic, whatever identity we see ourselves and others see us as. And, something I'm reading into your argument, is that when the "real" is increasingly being framed with the "virtual" you don't really have anywhere to hide - nobody is really ever "offline" because the dominant structures are increasingly becoming "virtual." For example, I'm someone who doesn't Facebook, Tweet, Instagram or whatever - but a lot of the time things I say, things I'm at, and pictures of me end up places anyway - not of my volition. Not sure if I'm off base here - but that's my two cents on the matter. Even if I am off base, I enjoy the conversation and I look forward to seeing the topic progress in the future.
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Stéphane Vial — March 17, 2013
Nathan,
Thank you for sharing your doubts. Because I can see doubts in this post. And I think it is a mistake.
1. You're diminishing the strenght of the original (ontological) digital dualism critique. And it's easy to understand why : it is because Nicholas Carr's critique had too much effect on you (I read it and now I understand much better our last tweets as well as this post). I think it is a mistake to give Carr's critique so much power because it is not a very strong critique. It is mostly made of rhetoric, skillfulnesss and negation (as a defence mechanism). It sounds like an argument from authority (Carr has published a few books and you are a student). But, actually, it seems to me that it is very easy to invalidate Carr's critique. I will try to demonstrate it in my next post that I will offer you to publish here, on Cyborgology.
2. You're trying to make a difference between "ontological digital dualism" (about realities) and what I will call "ethical digital dualism" (about value statements). But everyday life ontology makes everyday life ethics. Digital dualism critique is not "splitable". I will try to demonstrate this too in my next post.
Just wanted to react shortly here as it takes a bit time to me to write in english.
I'm Stéphane Vial. I'm a new French Theorist. And I'am on Twitter [@svial].
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quiet riot girl — March 18, 2013
Well, just to be annoying, I think Foucault could also say that talking about 'digital dualism' has the joint effect of critiquing a position and also reinforcing that position by giving it a name, talking about it a lot, identifying and challenging the people who take that position. Dems the breaks of discourse...
Kim Witten — March 20, 2013
Thanks for the quote and link! I would have responded sooner, but I've been moving house and travelling overseas.
What you've said here really interests me. I'm also in complete agreement with quiet riot girl about reinforcing the opposition by validating and defining the label for that opposition. It also makes me wonder other things about the framings in these arguments, so I'd like to throw a few questions out there if you don't mind.
First, I'm curious about what motivates your interest with digital dualism over augmented reality (re: footnote confessions). There are probably several reasons, I'm sure. But I wonder if one of them has to do with the tendency to see one's own position as natural and unmarked, and the other as well, Other. This sometimes makes it hard to succinctly define one's own position (like trying to describe a chair you're currently sitting in), which could lend itself to better framing of the opposition and more coherence to that position (even if one doesn't agree with it).
I also wonder how much the semantic transparency of the labels for these two positions is hindering or helping the cause? For instance, "digital dualism" seems much more transparent and apt to me — implying two conceptions of digital (such as one conception being embodied with physical digits; the other as opposed to analog). "Augmented reality" is much less transparent. While it has a read that is also semantically apt, it also has a few interpretations (for me) that are unintended and conceptually problematic. These are similar traps (and indexical associations) to those of "virtual" and "cyber", in my mind.
Point is, if there is indeed a labelling problem, then is it part of the cause or result (or both) of some of the greater interest in digital dualism? And then, does any of this need to be addressed?
Also curious about why do you see them as two separate theories, rather than say, two positions under some higher order characterization, such as "conceptions of space." (My suggestion here is rather non-transparent and clunky and should really have a better characterization if one were to go that route. Sorry...I'm jetlagged from yesterday's flight and writing this from an airplane, where I shall pick up some new jetlag.) Anyways, I think we could benefit from a neutral way to label the entire debate; one that houses both positions as having equal validity, even if only because they both are psychological realities for some. As it currently stands, I see this debate being characterized with a bias towards digital dualism, ymmv.
Which brings me back around to sometimes thinking that there might be a problem with the label "digital dualism" after all (i realize I'm contradicting myself from what I said a few paragraphs up). Perhaps it's a better label for *the debate itself* – implying two major conceptions of digital space (with a nice little pun on dual/duel)? Maybe a more apt characterization for the first two ontological positions would be centered around the word "separation" and the latter two would be centered around "enmeshment", with "strong/weak" and "complete/partial" subdivisions, respectively. Just an overthinking thought. I realize I'm potentially throwing wrenches and so feel free to ignore them as necessary. But of course I'm curious to hear your response to all this.
short version: Yes, I think we need names for these different perspectives, as well as a name for the both of them together (the debate itself). And I think the names we choose have a lot of bearing on how the stances are perceived and understood. Thoughts?
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Kim Witten — March 22, 2013
I've had some time to read some of the more recent posts and follow-ups by you and many others. I realize that my comment above, in light of the new contexts, is a bit off and problematic in and of itself, in a few ways.
There has been quite a bit of thoughtful discussion (especially in various post comments) about "others" and "othering" (which I'm still admittedly reading through). Just wanted to say that I don't (and didn't) intend to imply that you were participating in that kind of othering. Also that I see now that the labels that are being used are rather entrenched and seem sufficiently clear to all involved at this point — my linguistic quibbles are more obfuscating than anything it seems.
In sum, thanks to you and the rest of the Cyborgology crew for all the continued wisdom. There's a lot of great stuff here!
nathanjurgenson — March 22, 2013
all, how about these as names for my three types of digital dualism critiques -- the text in parentheses are not meant to be formal definitions:
1- ontological digital dualism (theory that asks about what exists and is concerned with atoms and bits and photons and realities and spheres)
2- evaluative digital dualism (theory that asks if a perspective or an idea or an articulation has or has not underestimated the enmeshment of the digital and the material)
3- value-based digital dualism (theory concerned with the value statements that derive from the dualistic conceptualization, such as people fetishizing the digital as some new space impossibly pulled apart from messy material realities; or, opposite, but born of the same dualist fallacy, fetishizing the material as more deep, human, or true, what I like to call “the IRL fetish” or “digital dehumanization.”)
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