George Will attributes the decline of Western civilization to 501’s. While the blogosphere this he’s “havin’ a laugh” (as the English say), I give Will credit for offering a provocative argument about how our norms of dress affect our social conduct.
Denim is the carefully calculated costume of people eager to communicate indifference to appearances. But the appearances that people choose to present in public are cues from which we make inferences about their maturity and respect for those to whom they are presenting themselves.
For a conservative, Will’s doing some serious critical analysis here! I’m partial to jeans and a dress shirt as my professional uniform. I have been since my mid twenties. As I near my 40’s, I do feel a pressure to reach for the dress pants over the jeans, particularly if I’m going to be interacting with peers.
I don’t think I wear jeans to signal “indifference to appearances,” although do we ever fully know ourselves 😉 I think I do it to convey a sense of approachability and informality. As a university professor, and maybe as a person, I’m uncomfortable with conveying a sense of elevated status through wardrobe. Through wearing jeans, I’m critiquing received power structures and signaling to students that authority should be earned through interaction and not “read” through wardrobe.
But, let’s give George Will some props here. Dress is a form of text and we’re becoming increasingly detached from our cloting choices. A few years back it was trendy for students to wear t-shirts with the words “porn star” enblazoned on them.
I remember one of my best and most courteous students wearing a “porn star” shirt to class one day. Did that student give though to how her wardrobe would be read as a signifier? Is the “porn star” shirt signifying rebellion? irony? insecurity? What?
What do you think? Do you think dress establishes norms? What would be the consequences of reverting back to formal dress as a marker of status.
Comments 15
classicallyliberaljd — April 17, 2009
Perverse literature, that's why kids these days are so crazy! No, it's that TV ruining the children! No, it's the vidja games! No, texting is ruining them! No, the internet and that facebook!
Bit of a pattern; there's always some horrible ill that causes kids to rebel. Kids don't just have a propensity to push barriers and culture is ever-changing to accommodate emerging trends and new majorities.
No, it's things like denim.
Kenneth M. Kambara — April 17, 2009
CLJD,
Indeed. Plus rock, punk, metal, & rap throughout the decades.
I know of a Mr. Manners who pines for increased "professionalism," when talking about shaping young minds entering the world business. Please. That pining if borne out of the same mentality of Will's. Fred Astair & Grace Kelley? Is he kidding? Should we all look like we're straight out of "Mad Men"? The irony. Mr. Manners and George Will are far from being fashion plates themselves. Not in this decade or any other. (Insert point d'irony/snarkmark ؟)
While tough reading, Roland Barthe's The Fashion System is illuminating. Reverting back to formal dress does violence to established cultural logics, let alone creating a tangled semiotic web of class clashes. (Insert more ridicule towards those who want to establish power through semiotics in laughable ways.) So, I think you can mandate dress codes which will affect a culture, but this is taste by fiat.
Forget denim, José. Let me see your business card!
Damn, over 140 characters again!
rkatclu — April 17, 2009
"You are not your f***ing khakis" -- Fight Club
I think the superficiality which idealizes an antiquated and impractical style of dress is as least as indicative of "deep disorders in the national psyche" as jeans are.
Silly people. Don't they know it's inauthentic to wear Dickies and Carhartts and Levis and North Face and Patagonia? Such callous disregard for the arbiters of good taste.
O urbanity and sartorial elegance! Alas that we all can't own McMansions, drive golf carts, and shop at Whole Foods. I'll just go be bitter and cling to my sneakers, and my video games, and my denim.
P.S. - This reminds me of the the Ludwig von Mises Institute giving fashion advice.
P.P.S. - It's ironic that, in decrying nostalgic affectations of our agrarian past, the author is championing nostalgic affectations of our industrial past.
Alexander Daley — April 18, 2009
I do not know if how we dress establishes a norm. Especially when the example is a pair of jeans. They have been around forever. We even unconsciously use the term jeans instead of pants. “Do you prefer to wear shorts or jeans?” As for status, wearing jeans as opposed to dress pants sends a message. I wear a blue denim work shirt and a pair black jeans to school…it is what I like and what I feel comfortable wearing. My level of comfort is what I choose to project; and I believe people gravitate toward comfortable looking people. When I wear my work uniform (a grey polo shirt and black slacks), I know that people are less likely to find me comfortable…because I myself am not. In short, clothing does not set normality. What you wear is directly related to how you want others to view you. Regardless of age, each individual should find the message that they are trying to convey through their attire and stick with that message. Once you waiver from your message, others will notice.
Tyler Lee — April 19, 2009
I think clothing can set norms. Look throughout history at how people have dressed. We definitely don't dress like those in Victorian England. The norms in that time were to dress to impress. People dressed to show how wealthy they are. The poor wore dirty clothes while the rich wore extravagent clothing. Nowadays, to me it seems like the rich try to show their wealth by how casual they dress. It seems like they think that they can dress however they want because they have money. For me, I would definitely prefer in a professional setting to see someone dressed nice. It takes more effort to dress up. This shows me that they are acknowledging the professional setting and it makes me feel as if they have respect for the professional relationship that is between the two people. I think that denim isn't the decline of America but I think we should move back towards dressing up instead of dressing down.
Allison Wachtel — April 19, 2009
I don't think clothing establishes norms, but it can certainly strengthen (or weaken) them. Traditionally, people dress the way they do for a functional reason, whether it was "dress to impress" as Tyler mentioned or in rags because that's all they had. Either way, clothing has always been a fairly reliable indicator of an individual's place on the socioeconomic ladder, and I think it would be very difficult to argue that dress does not play a role in how we interact with others. (Some actors can't even get into character without their costumes.) Does the collective "dressing down" of America have a negative effect, though? I'm not sure about that. I can see how it might if (for instance) students took their classes less seriously because their professors' attire implied a more relaxed attitude, but I know I would be much more nervous to interact and share ideas with a professor who always wore suits than I would with one who wore jeans now and then. The "suit and tie" attitude ups the seriousness of a situation, but I think it can also inhibit the learning process by acting as a barrier to creativity and authenticity.
Dashiell Kramer — April 19, 2009
I completely agree with the statement of knowing someone threw who they are and not just by what clothes they wear. But the fact of the matter is that everyone does it whether they realize it or not. When we walk threw the mall we can make a judgement call as to who we "think" is sophisticated and who is the beach bum. I bet everyone who has gone out with a friend has made a comment to that friend or friends about a piece of clothing that someone was wearing that had just passed by. But why do we do this? Why do we think some jeans aren't "our style" To me it is all trial and error but not with us but with what the put on the mannequins. I personally also think that the dress shirt and jeans look, some people can pull it off and some can't. trial and error.
Ben Martinez — April 20, 2009
I agree to a certain degree with George Will’s assessment of the evolution of peoples clothing choices and how clothing has seemed to become less formal. Additionally I agree with the overall tone of the earlier posts, but I disagree on some points. One of the earlier posts pointed to the evolution of people’s choice of clothing, however if you look at the clothing choice of men, when they are trying to wear nice clothes, it seems to revolve around the same idea, men wore suits, wear suits, and will continue to wear suits. I feel that it is important to maintain a respectful appearance when conducting official business, however when your not in a formal setting, how you dress is not that important. That being said I feel the idea that if you act like a good student you will become a good student can also be applied to how you dress, if you dress formally people will perceive you to be more serious and as a result will treat you seriously and you will theoretically be more successful. I wonder, what is worse wearing a suit for an informal occasion or wearing a t-shirt and shorts to a formal occasion? My conclusion is that if you wear too much you could make a situation as awkward as if you wear too little although you risk less personal humiliation.
Ryne Thoma — April 20, 2009
Jeans are one of the more comfortable kind of pants. That is why I wear them. I would be lying however if I said that comfort is the only reason I wear them. A small part of me knows that when I am walking around in jeans, particularly the kind I wear(plain ol' levis), that I don't look professional, rich, or very trendy. It's the secret of the jeans that I never think about, because I don't really care. The thing is however, that others who see me wont necessarily care that I am wearing jeans, and levi's at that, but people can make judgments about me, and this can go to extremes depending on the environment and situation I am in. Say I randomly get an itchin to go to a very popular crazy dance club in the city(ya). I know that personally I would not care at all walking in there wearing Levi's. I also know that people in the club would comment on my out of date jeans and make judgements;is he poor, how did he get in here? are those his dad's jeans? does he really think those are cool? The last question is one that would almost certainly cross someones mind. Just as Dash said, people if they don't comment out loud to a friend or colleague, at least subconsciously remark to themselves about what someone is wearing. Are they serious? Wow maybe put your glasses on before you get dressed next time. This is because there is an ever changing norm for clothing, as well as jeans, "in style". If its the "in style" kind of jeans you're an acceptable person. If they're levi's, watch out, you've got judgments your way. If it looks good, people accept it. If its not acceptable attire, you better be able to live with the consequences, otherwise change your clothes.
Scott Bergemann — April 20, 2009
Jeans are dressed up for me, so it all depends on the context. I agree with George Will's assertion that clothing choices affect social interaction is correct to a certain extent. We have been socialized to view dress clothes and suits as a more professional mode of dress and consequently we are wired to grant authority and show respect to people dressed accordingly. Yet I think it inappropriate to make inferences on ones maturity and respect for others based solely on how they are dressed. I think today's society, compared to in the past, isn't as superficial when it comes to assessing clothing. We are more accepting of alternative styles of dress, and increasingly more wary of those 'dressed-up' in suits. Credibility and respect should not be diminished based on the clothes someone is wearing, but rather their words and actions in my opinion.
Jordana Bradburn — April 20, 2009
I dont really dont think its a bad thing for people to dress down. Yes, there are def. times when you need to dress up. But, I dont think that a professor should ALWAYS have to wear dress pants. Jeans work just fine. We are in the class to learn about the topic taught on, not about what our professor wears. If anything I think that a professor who wears jeans and and nicer shirt makes for a more comfortable classroom, at least for me. Like Allison said, sometimes you are intimidated by professors who always wears a suit. It's not bad at all to sometimes where a suit or dress pants, but I also dont think there is anything wrong with dressing comfortable. I actually have a friend who goes to a Baptist Univ. in NC and all the students must wear "church" clothing to class, this longer very conservative dresses for the girls and dress shirt, dress pants, and tie for the guys. And she tells me all the time how many times she skips out on class just because of the dress requirements. I wear sweat pants like 95% of the time I go to class, and I dont think it has any negative effect on my education, If anything i go to class more because I can just get out of bed and go in comfortable clothes.
NEIL SAMPSON — April 20, 2009
After reading this article i do agree with George Will's idea that clothing choices affect social interation because it is acctually true. If you show up in jeans to a buisness-type interview you might be sent home jus by how relaxed you look. People judge people when it comes to suits and jeans. If you have a suit on you will look more professional and people will show you alot more authority as to someone wearing jeans. But i dont think its fair to make judgements, statements, and inferences on someones maturity and respect based on what they have on. Like a book shouldnt be judged by its cover ;a person with jeans may have the same amount of intelligence as the next person with a suit on shouldnt be judged either. Credibility and respect can be deteremined in other ways and i dont think it you should loose respect, authority,or credibility due to wearing jeans.
Stephen Chafi — April 20, 2009
There are some times that jeans are acceptable to wear. Like a teaching job is acceptable because you want your students to be able to come to you and ask questions. But if you are interviewing for a job, you should be wearing formal clothing. So Will's idea is correct, you just have to dress on what you want to happen. If you want people to think you are the boss you need to dress like it. But if you want to be a friend then wear jeans.
Tyler Ingley — April 20, 2009
I think that no matter how people dress, they are going to be judged by others and that shouldnt be the case. If someone my age wears khakis and a button up, then they are assumed to be a nerd, if someone wears baggy clothes then they are assumed to be a trouble maker. I don't think that clothes describe a person i think a person describes a person and people should be able to dress how they want without being perceived as something they are not.
Kirsten Nilsson — April 21, 2009
I think that a casual look is better for schools, because it is good for people to express them selves. Also I think that its easier for a student to communicate with a teacher when they are dressed less formally. But I do think it is important to dress appropriately, school can be a casual learning environment, but a Job interview is not so casual, therefore formal dress would be required. I also think that first impressions are very important, no matter the situation. You should always dress to impress when first meeting someone, because it would be a shame if someone thought negatively of you just because of your dress, you could end up missing out on opportunities.