Flashback Friday.
In her fantastic book, Talk of Love (2001), Ann Swidler investigates how people use cultural narratives to make sense of their marriages.
She describes the “romantic” version of love with which we are all familiar. In this model, two people fall deeply in love at first sight and live forever and ever in bliss . We can see this model of love in movies, books, and advertisements:
She finds that, in describing their own marriages, most people reject a romantic model of love out-of-hand.
Instead, people tended to articulate a “practical” model of love. Maintaining love in marriage, they said requires trust, honesty, respect, self-discipline, and, above all, hard work. This model manifests in the therapeutic and religious self-help industry and its celebrity manifestations:
But even though most people favored a practical model of love in Swidler’s interviews, even the most resolute realist would occasionally fall back on idealist versions of love. In that sense, most people would articulate contradictory beliefs. Why?
Swidler noticed that people would draw on the different models when asked different kinds of questions. When she would ask them “How do you keep love alive from day to day?” they would respond with a practical answer. When she asked them “Why do you stay married?” or “Why did you get married?” they would respond with a romantic answer.
So, even though most people said that they didn’t believe in the ideal model, they would invoke it. They did so when talking about the institution of marriage (the why), but not when talking about the relationship they nurtured inside of that institution (the how).
Swidler concludes that the ideal model of love persists as a cultural trope because marriage, as an institution, requires it. For example, while people may not believe that there is such a thing as “the one,” marriage laws are written such that you must marry “one.” She explains:
One is either married or not; one cannot be married to more than one person at a time; marrying someone is a fateful, sometimes life-transforming choice; and despite divorce, marriages are still meant to last (p. 117-118).
That “one,” over time, becomes “the one” you married. “The social organization of marriage makes the mythic image true experientially…” (p. 118, my emphasis).
If a person is going to get married at all, they must have some sort of cultural logic that allows them to choose one person. Swidler writes:
In order to marry, individuals must develop certain cultural, psychological, and even cognitive equipment. They must be prepared to feel, or at least convince others that they feel, that one other person is the unique right ‘one.’ They must be prepared to recognize the ‘right person’ when that person comes along.
The idea of romantic love does this for us. It is functional given the way that contemporary institutions structure love relationships. And, that, Swidler says, is why it persists:
The culture of [romantic] love flourishes in the gap between the expectation of enduring relationships and the free, individual choice upon which marriage depends… Only if there really is something like love can our relationships be both voluntary and enduring (p. 156-157).
Presumably if marriage laws didn’t exist, or were different, the romantic model of love would disappear because it would no longer be useful.
The culture of love would die out, lose its plausibility, not if marriages did not last (they don’t) but if people stopped trying to form and sustain lasting marriages (p. 158).
Even when individuals consciously disbelieve dominant myths [of romantic love], they find themselves engaged with the very myths whose truths they reject—because the institutional dilemmas those myths capture are their dilemmas as well (p. 176).
Cultural tropes, then, don’t persist because we (or some of us) are duped by movies and advertisements, they persist because we need them.
Originally posted in 2010.
Lisa Wade, PhD is an Associate Professor at Tulane University. She is the author of American Hookup, a book about college sexual culture; a textbook about gender; and a forthcoming introductory text: Terrible Magnificent Sociology. You can follow her on Twitter and Instagram.
Comments 33
KD — February 13, 2010
Now, *this* is what I expected when I signed up for a Marriage and Family course in college. Instead, we're watching "Pleasantville," and pretending a contemporary interpretation of an older, propganda-filled construction of the 1950s, via TV programming, is a valid source of information when it comes to gender and family roles. In other words, it goes to show how much you have to take your education into your own hands, and I appreciate that SI can help me do that. This is a book I will have to read.
thewhatifgirl — February 13, 2010
Hmm, did they include people who were in, say, polyamorous marriages? Or who were cheating, or had cheated, on their spouse? Or even just people who, say, know that there is no "one" person they could love but wouldn't be able to deal with their jealousy (borne of insecurity, not some internalized ideal of monogamy, if you ask me) if they tried a polyamorous marriage? Were gay couples who can't marry included, or fundamentalists like the Duggars?
...I guess what I'm trying to say is, I'm more curious about the "fringes" than I am about "normal" people.
Che — February 13, 2010
Sigh, the class I took with Ann was my favorite in all of grad school. She's fantastic.
Dorla — February 13, 2010
Does the (monogamy)^100 ad mean that if I'd met a man who showered me in diamonds I wouldn't be polyamorous?
AR — February 13, 2010
You're last two sentences contradict each other. First you attribute it to government interference in people's personal lives, then say that we need it.
If the first idea were true, it would be more accurate to say that the idea exists because some people need it so strongly that they can't stand the idea of others not needing it, and so legislate it as a requirement.
AKR — February 13, 2010
I think it's worth pointing out that for a lot of people, the "ideal" is actually the way marriage is experienced.
The culturally accepted story that the feelings of romantic love only last a maximum of two years is apparently true (self-reported, confirmed with brain scans) for 70% of married people, but for the other 30%, the in-love feelings actually last life-long.
(citation in this article: http://jezebel.com/5466571/why-does-relationship-advice-always-suck)
As a person who still considers herself actively in love with her husband, I don't think it means I buy into the idea he's the only person in the world I could ever love, it just means I still feel passionate monogamy that echos the top images more than the bottom ones, even after years of marriage and children.
Victoria — February 13, 2010
I think the quotes, and perhaps because I'm reading them out of context, sounds like marriage = monogamy, non-marriage = polygamy, marriage = true love, non-marriage = something less than true love...and that's just not the case.
I disagree with the institute of marriage (for myself - I'm not preaching), the way it causes others to favor and respect married couples as more valid than even monogamous relationships without marriage that are equal in the length of time together, and sometimes even more respect to the married couple whose relationship isn't as long-term as the unmarried couple's. It's so antiquated and unquestioned in the bigger picture, so unrealistic, so loaded with stereotypical roles. I don't want anything to do with it. It's designed to fail if one subscribes to it without question.
What I like about being in a monogamous *unmarried* relationship in which we agree never to be married unless absolutely necessary (because of law) is the feeling of freedom to leave when we can't find ways to make it work, but staying by choice - not law, not a promise made during our good times. I'm not saying married couples don't feel this way, but I'm saying that I wouldn't feel that way if I were married. It seems counter-intuitive for me. I think my own growth far outweighs the importance of "everlasting love". I enjoy the feeling of my partner staying with me because he wants to, not because it's too difficult to get out of things with me or because it's cheaper to keep me around.
JS — February 13, 2010
There is something about the conclusions in this post that don't seem to follow from the premises. I think it's because you have conflated some terms and gotten mixed up, which Victoria seems to point to. It seems to me that one can fall both in and out of "romantic" love with someone, but that doesn't make it a delusion nor synonymous with "everlasting" love. So does the survey report that people disbelieve in "everlasting" or "romantic" love? I would believe the former, yet not the latter, however it is the latter which you end up railing against.
This is such a messy issue, because there are clearly many aspects of marriage laws and customs which could be improved, however without a complete societal overhaul back to communal living and rearing children, it is helpful to appreciate the potentially large benefits of distribution of labor within a household. Granted, that distribution could due to be less rigidly predetermined, however the prevailing wind in the American model of both parents work and leave the child to day care, school, and housekeepers could be equally harmful.
That statement is so hard to judge quantitatively I wouldn't even know where to start, but suffice it to say consider the trade offs in every change.
tree — February 13, 2010
this seems like limited and flawed analysis to me.
firstly, it completely dismisses anyone who isn't heterosexual, and religions where it's acceptable to be married to more than one person at a time (for men, anyway).
secondly, it assumes that the 'idealised' version of love and the 'practical' version of love are mutually exclusive, as if they are unrelated. which... seems illogical to me.
thirdly, some people do marry for practical reasons. sometimes they already love each other and sometimes they grow to love each other; sometimes they don't love each other at all.
it also seems to disregard the fact that marriage originated as an exchange of property and a way to cement alliances, as well as in a religious context, and to (theoretically) maintain the purity of lineage. for a lot of people, the religious context is still very much a part of why they marry.
perhaps the whole book isn't this narrow in scope, but certainly the excerpts don't seem to indicate a full consideration of the subject.
is swidler really arguing that love is a cultural concept?
amy — February 13, 2010
"Presumably if marriage laws didn’t exist, or were different, the romantic model of love would disappear because it would no longer be useful." I don't see how this claim is supported. The fact that the romantic model of love helps justify marriage doesn't mean that that's the cause of its existence. Also, why assume that the practical model of marriage is opposed to the romantic model? They seem perfectly compatible.
Basiorana — February 13, 2010
I am living the romantic style of love-- sure, there is mundane stuff, but I feel like my love is the romantic kind, that we fell in love immediately, and will live happily ever after. I am also a newlywed.
People aren't deluding themselves when they talk of romantic everlasting love. Everlasting love comes out of romantic love-- the only difference is how actively passionate you are. There's a reason most people describe their current relationship as mundane but coming out of passionate love-- passionate love is how most relationships start.
Of course, it is possible to obtain everlasting love without that passionate period-- happy people in arranged marriages worldwide will attest to that. But at the same time, homosexuals, polyamourous couples, couples who eschew the marriage model, people who fall in love in cultures where falling in love is frowned on (such as in cultures where arranged marriages are the norm and marriage for love is unheard of), and hell, monogamous BIRDS undergo an initial highly passionate period followed by a more settled routine. Heck, mothers even sometimes report a similar feeling when they have a child-- there's that initial flow of love and joy for the first few weeks or months until the lack of sleep and screaming child cause you to settle into a routine, more muted love. Thus, it seems pretty clear that that pattern-- ideal love followed by softer, more muted love-- is actually the biological norm and indeed, were marriage abolished, it would remain exactly the same.
Romantic, ideal love is not a social construct. To say so reveals that Swidler has no understanding of love and asked all the wrong questions-- she probably interviewed only people who were married for a while or otherwise have passed that passionate stage, didn't talk to anyone who wasn't in a Western style marriage (obviously, she ignored polygamous and arranged marriages), and didn't talk to anyone outside Western culture, then applied her own preconceptions about what she wanted or didn't want marriage to be to her results.
Restructure! — February 14, 2010
Who is "we"?
Not everyone gets married or needs to get married, and not everyone is heterosexual.
Kandeezie — February 17, 2010
@Basiorana - "Romantic, ideal love is not a social construct." - just the word IDEAL alone indicates a social construct. What makes it ideal? And if most don't have it, why do we continue to make the majority feel like failures rather than offer alternatives? Love comes and shows itself in many forms. To propose that romantic love only shows up in hot passionate monogamous heterosexual (and often racialized) love is incorrect and is a exclusionary practice. That's what we're challenging here - the exclusion. We don't need people to feel like they've won the love lottery at the expense of the general population. Saying 'I have romantic love but you don't because you're a failure' doesn't achieve much for society as a whole.
Romance, as defined by our own dictionary, shows us many ways to understand romance, not just the way you described. So what can we do culturally? We can move towards understanding that love chances with each social context, and as long as we maintain our awareness of that, we can continue to change our understanding and practice of love to be more inclusive.
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Amy — March 16, 2010
I guess I can say is the first kiss when dating was great but I've regreted it for 43 years. We never should have gotten married. But we did and sure enough we screwed it all up.
Weve created no love, no intimacy, and very-very-very little sex in our lives.
In our late 60s and now there is no reason to try and change. Actually we feel as though were still virgins in a sence.
But we will keep going till when ever.
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Oap — December 16, 2013
Whoever said anything about race sex or gender? I think you're missing the point of the article lol
logical_hare — September 25, 2015
I think there's a bit of an issue with the interpretation of Swidler's work. If people are "draw[ing] on the different models when asked different kinds of questions", that says more about the questions and the theory behind them than the thinking of the participants answering.
It looks to me like Swidler unintentionally assumed her premises. She presumes the existence of two distinct and separate marriage narratives (romantic and practical) and wrote questions which tended to invite answers drawn primarily from one or the other. The results naturally demonstrate a rather mixed narrative bag, but this is assumed to be the results of "contradictory" thinking on the part of people with regard to the two narratives, rather than questioning the premise that they are mutually exclusive, or even a meaningful way of categorizing the situation at all.
EDIT: Crap, this is six years old. Is reopening an ancient thread when it comes up on Flashback Friday okay?
ViktoriaMorris — March 29, 2021
If we consider modern requests from men and women, then marriage is not the most cherished desire. Marriage was often the goal of dating 10 or more years ago. However, many choose to live like bachelors now. This is why there are so many dating apps like tinder. Nobody wants seriousness and responsibility. But dating sites help you feel less lonely. You can always find someone to brighten your evening.
Spinner Man — December 4, 2021
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Rodney Cortez — December 5, 2021
Speaking of movies, The Notebook for me is one of the best love story movie that I've ever seen. The story, characters and how they are all connected was perfect.
It is a good date night movie. I watched it with a girl that I met on Free Fuck App.