Presumably many of you have heard about the controversy that has arisen about a conversation between Laura Schlessinger (aka Dr. Laura) and a female African American caller. Corina C. sent in some links to posts on the topic. Trigger warning for harsh, racist language.
Here’s a recording of the conversation (found at Media Matters) in which Schlessinger responds to the caller’s concerns about comments from her White husband’s friends and relatives by suggesting she is “hypersensitive” and isn’t in a position to be concerned about comments she considered racist because “Turn on HBO, listen to a black comic, and all you hear is nigger, nigger, nigger”:
Selected parts of the transcript:
CALLER: I was a little caught back by the N-word that you spewed out, I have to be honest with you. But my point is, race relations —
SCHLESSINGER: Oh, then I guess you don’t watch HBO or listen to any black comedians.
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SCHLESSINGER: Yeah. We’ve got a black man as president, and we have more complaining about racism than ever. I mean, I think that’s hilarious.
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SCHLESSINGER: Chip on your shoulder. I can’t do much about that.
CALLER: It’s not like that.
SCHLESSINGER: Yeah. I think you have too much sensitivity —
CALLER: So it’s OK to say “nigger”?
SCHLESSINGER: — and not enough sense of humor.
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SCHLESSINGER: …You know what? If you’re that hypersensitive about color and don’t have a sense of humor, don’t marry out of your race. If you’re going to marry out of your race, people are going to say, “OK, what do blacks think? What do whites think? What do Jews think? What do Catholics think?”…And what I just heard from Jade is a lot of what I hear from black-think — and it’s really distressting [sic] and disturbing. And to put it in its context, she said the N-word, and I said, on HBO, listening to black comics, you hear “nigger, nigger, nigger.” I didn’t call anybody a nigger. Nice try, Jade. Actually, sucky try. Need a sense of humor, sense of humor — and answer the question. When somebody says, “What do blacks think?” say, “This is what I think. This is what I read that if you take a poll the majority of blacks think this.” Answer the question and discuss the issue…Ah — hypersensitivity, OK, which is being bred by black activists. I really thought that once we had a black president, the attempt to demonize whites hating blacks would stop, but it seems to have grown, and I don’t get it.
There are a number of things going on here. In Racism without Racists: Color-Blind Racism and the Persistence of Racial Inequality in the United States, Eduardo Bonilla-Silva discusses the various ways that Whites, in particular, downplay racial discrimination through a number of rhetorical and discursive strategies, several of which Schlessinger draws on in this exchange. For instance, she naturalizes the behavior the caller is concerned about: if you marry someone of another race, you just have to accept that their friends and family are going to consider you a representative of your entire race and constantly interact with you through the lens of your racial/ethnic background. That’s just to be expected, and if it starts to bother you, you’re “hypersensitive.” In fact, you ought to be sure and constantly educate yourself about all social trends as they relate to African Americans, so that if someone has any questions about what “Blacks think,” you can quickly tell them.
Think about the level of mental energy that is being expected here. Schlessinger is saying that it is the responsibility of minorities to know what members of their race/ethnicity think, in the aggregate, about whatever topic anybody else might want to know. I, as a White woman, am not expected to be able to provide, at the drop of a hat, data on Whites’ opinions about anything. (Though I do find that people who find out I’m a sociologist often think I must have insight into every aspect of social life, leading to questions such as, “My sister-in-law likes to _____. What do you think causes that?” or “So what do you think _____ will be like in 50 years?”, neither of which I am usually prepared to address in the middle of getting some potato salad at a picnic or buying a soda at the gas station.) The underlying argument here is that it is minorities’ responsibility to patiently educate Whites about things related to non-Whites, and an unwillingness to take on that role is evidence that you have a “chip on your shoulder.”
Another frame Schlessinger draws on is the minimization of racism: we have a Black president now, so racism’s totally over. What’s your problem?
Schlessinger is also holding all members of a racial group responsible for the actions of any of them. She argues that the routines of some Black comedians invalidates this individual African American woman’s right to be upset by racialized language in any context. It doesn’t matter whether this woman approves of the comedians’ comments — or has ever heard any of them; all African Americans are treated as an undifferentiated group, and the behavior of some revokes the rights of any others to bring up issues they find problematic.
In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Schlessinger hints at another rhetorical strategy, the “some of my best friends are _____ and thus I can’t possibly be racially prejudiced” argument:
I went out to dinner with three friends after Larry King. One of my friends who is gay is sitting there with another friend who is black, and he looks up and says, “I wonder what the media would do with this? You’re with a black guy and a gay guy.” We laughed, because we all understand what this is really about — censoring a point of view.
So there you have it: a round-up of ways to frame non-Whites as overly sensitive and unilaterally responsible for improving race relations.
UPDATE: The comments section is closed. There were still a lot of people commenting, but much of it had descended into name-calling and accusations, and I can’t keep up with all of them to catch the truly offensive ones. I may reopen comments in 48 hours after a cooling-off period.
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Scapino — August 23, 2010
“For instance, she naturalizes the behavior the caller is concerned about: if you marry someone of another race, you just have to accept that their friends and family are going to … constantly interact with you through the lens of your racial/ethnic background.”
Some of the blame/credit for this has to go to the framing of the “diversity” initiative, where (white) people are told that they should hire those of different heritages and backgrounds precisely because their racial or ethnic background makes them inimitable. If Joe Sixpack is told that hiring minorities is good because their ethnicity gives them a unique point of view, can he be blamed for wanting to explore that unique point of view?
“The underlying argument here is that it is minorities’ responsibility to patiently educate Whites about things related to non-Whites.”
Again, need to explore the effects of what got them there. The more privileged one is, the more likely one is to be told “you just can’t possibly understand where I’m coming from as a ." If white people are told they can’t EVER understand why is a race issue, or whatever, how are they supposed to find out? It’s not crazy that they are trying to understand where the minorities’ opinions are coming from. They’re not doing it in a great or sensitive way, but this is still a step up from just seeing everything from their privileged point of view.
“Schlessinger is also holding all members of a racial group responsible for the actions of any of them. She argues that the routines of some Black comedians invalidates this individual African American woman’s right to be upset by racialized language in any context. It doesn’t matter whether this woman approves of the comedians’ comments — or has ever heard any of them; all African Americans are treated as an undifferentiated group, and the behavior of some revokes the rights of any others to bring up issues they find problematic.”
This is done to all groups, minorities or no. See oppressed white cultures being assigned “privilege” they never actually got to experience, men fighting sexism being told to shut up because patriarchy tends to benefit men, etc. It’s not fair to anyone, but it’s certainly not unique to African-Americans or to Doctor Laura.
"In Racism without Racists: Color-Blind Racism and the Persistence of Racial Inequality in the United States, Eduardo Bonilla-Silva discusses the various ways that Whites, in particular, downplay racial discrimination through a number of rhetorical and discursive strategies..."
As a matter of fact, he just did it to white people!
anonymous — August 23, 2010
I love the people who say they think racism is dead now that we have a black president (except, of course, their number one concern -- racism against white people). Because you know none of them actually voted for Obama. "I can't be a racist because other white people voted for a black guy!"
Sarah — August 23, 2010
She should have called Dr. Laura a Bitch. I'm sure that's fine, because I've heard Paris Hilton say it, so anyone who gets upset at that is being oversensitive.
Or you know, maybe I'll use the 3-stooges defense so I can be violent with people. (But on TV they were laughing at poking his eyes! I don't understand! why are you being so hypersensitive!)
What kills me about this, is that Dr Laura didn't even try and respond to the question, but immediately started trivializing what the caller said. She immediately assumed that the comments that the caller was complaining about were not offensive, and that it must be a problem with the caller.
jfruh — August 23, 2010
I always wonder why it's so difficult for people to grasp that terms of abuse have different social meanings when used by members of the group being abused than they do when used by people who usually do the abusing. Generally if someone uses an ethnic slur against their own ethnicity, you can assume it's an act of bravado or defiance rather than an attack on their own group; you can not be sure of this if a non-group member is using the word, and so obviously it reads as an attack.
Anonymous — August 23, 2010
The thing that really gets me about Dr. Laura is that she has the nerve to call Jade (the caller) hysterical. Listen the tape. Jade is calm throughout. She takes a heaping of crap from this woman and is FAR more patient and polite than I would have been under the circumstances.
Meanwhile, Dr. Laura goes off on everything that bothers her about race in America in the year 2010... even coming back for an extended monologue. All of this because this caller doesn't enjoy being insulted in her own home while her husband stands by doing nothing.
Who's hysterical, again?
Lindsay — August 23, 2010
Not a sociological commentary - but this thought just occurred to me: I'm imagining the scene where the husband's friends come over again, and this exact topic comes up over dinner. "Did you hear about that woman on the Dr. Laura show? What do black people think about that, Jade?"
Jane — August 23, 2010
As many times as I've heard/read Dr. Laura's screed it never ceases to blow my mind that a little switch never tripped in her mind to let her know that she was seriously saying some horrible things and maybe she needed to stop and apologize.
Lori — August 23, 2010
"For instance, she naturalizes the behavior the caller is concerned about: if you marry someone of another race, you just have to accept that their friends and family are going to consider you a representative of your entire race and constantly interact with you through the lens of your racial/ethnic background."
As someone who is a minority member married with a member of the majority (a white married to a Japanese in Japan) I do feel that many Japanese see me as a representative of my "race" and very often mistake me for an American even. I really, really hate that (both of those prejudices/misconceptions).
But the point is: It is a given fact for them and at least right now I dont think one can do anything about it. US society hopefully is not as limited.
pg — August 23, 2010
It seemed to me that Dr. Laura thought that anyone that marries outside her race should simply expect and accept racial slurs from the new family, and if she objects, she's being hyper-sensitive. That's an awful way to think.
Ed — August 23, 2010
You know, it doesn't take a genius to know that African American unemployment rates are far higher percentage wise than the rates of white Americans. That hasn't changed since Obama became President (if anything things have gotten worse).
Racism *has* changed in the US, in that a white person simply calling any random African American a nigger is no longer acceptable, nor is casual, obvious segregation. But more subtle racism is all around and clearly so deeply woven into society that the white majority hardly has to do anything at all to maintain the status quo. As long as schools in African American neighborhoods are really horrible, as long as no factories will locate near those neighborhoods, then racists simply have to accuse minorities of hypersensitivity and tar them all with the behavior of a few.
SpeZek — August 23, 2010
It really amazes and surprises me (I suppose it shouldn't) how people like Dr. Laura can just... think this way.
Racism, at its core, is separation. Us vs. Them. When you put thoughts together that amount to "THEY think differently than US because THEY are a different race", how can you honestly believe that you're not, at your core, racist?
Carlene — August 23, 2010
I hate all this racist and racialized speach. It always surprises me when something like this comes up in the wider media or in conversations or what-have-you. I know I still have homophobic and racist foundations because of my upbringing, but after all of the sociology courses/books/films/etc, I just can't relate to anyone that actually takes this rhetoric for truth (ie, that "race" is in fact a real concept, etc.)...
I couldn't listen to more than a minute or so because it's just so harsh on my ears...
Jennifer — August 24, 2010
"Dr." Laura would appear to have a good grasp on hypersensitivity (i.e., she quit in a huff after the kerfuffle this caused, whining about her first amendment rights--as if no one has a right to disagree with her). She wrote a book entitled Stop Whining in the past. Hmm, I think maybe her remarks are applicable--to herself!
Kristina — August 24, 2010
It doesn't matter how much we think anyone is "playing the victim", the simple fact of the matter is that something is said that hurts someone's feelings and those things said come from ignorance and opinion and no real logical thought process.
Anonymous — August 24, 2010
I don't have the time or energy to read all the comments on this one right now. I just want to say that I've been subjected to that woman's radio show since I was a kid, and she's a real hateful, spiteful, bigoted piece of work. Very few people or ideas inspire the kind of burning rage in me that she and her condescending rhetoric do.
She's nothing but a hatemonger that was ahead of the curve that is making money by belittling others. It's disgusting and shameful.
Anonymous — August 24, 2010
A white person should never tell a black person to be less sensitive about race. Period.
I think too many just fail to understand the difference between having their actions vs. their intentions criticized. I can imagine Dr. Laura thinking to herself "I might say those things, and I wouldn't mean any harm!" and then responding the way she did, as if this would prove that SHE wasn't racist. Of course, it actually proved she was.
Newsflash: actually taking seriously what black people are saying to you goes a lot farther toward proving you aren't racist than defending yourself by invalidating their perspectives.
Diavola — August 24, 2010
Can we please just talk about censorship for a minute? The last time I checked only institutions or groups with institutional power (e.g. the government) could censor. Other people yelling just as loud back at you that what you just said ain't cool is not censorship and never will be. I think if I hear one more privileged douche get on their high horse about freedom of speech my head will explode. It still amazes me that people will claim freedom of speech to say whatever things they want (usually hateful) but then when some one speaks out against it they're all "Oh noez, stop censoring me!" How do they not see that it works both ways? Pet peeve, I guess.
Montana — August 24, 2010
I am so happy that the ugly (inside and out) crazy old gym teacher reaped what she had sowed. She could have gotten her argument across by saying “N word” and not using the word and by not saying "don't NAACP me" but like Michael Richards AKA “Cosmo Kramer”,she ends up the the trash heap of history, a history of her own making. I am so happy that the free market AKA sponsors started to pull their ads (I guess they were exercising their free speach) and she finally realized that she was just another “run of the mill gabby” and her days were numbered. She realized that she was not as smart as she thought she was, finally!
Palin was the one who got bent over the use of the word "Retard", Palin also said that the people have the right to build the Mosque in NY, but out of respect for the 9/11 families they shouldn't, but I guess this same standard is not applicable to Laura Schlessinger. Do you see the hypocrisy? The problem with Palin is the same when she mistakenly referred to Ronald Reagan Eureka College, being in California and we all know its in Illinois, same thing, she does not fact check anything she is going to say. She is soooo Palin!
bananaslugqueerbait — August 25, 2010
Maybe it was buried somewhere else in the comments, but since this happened, Dr. Laura is resigning from her talk show. Perhaps looking at what conservative media considers too blatantly racist, sexist, or whatever else to actually air, even if they privately endorse it, would be interesting.
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