Etan B. sent in an interesting case of both stereotyping women (generally as annoying) and interpreting everything they do through the lens of gender difference. Dan Steinberg posted an article on D.C. Sports Blog, a blog of the Washington Post, about comments yesterday by Rob Dibble, a sports commentator for Fox News and for the D.C. baseball team the Nationals on the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network channel during televised games. Dibble was apparently fascinated by the fact that a group of women attended the game and, like, talked and stuff. Here are the women to whom he repeatedly referred (he’s also the one who circled them on the screen so viewers could clearly see them):
Steinberg transcribed some of Dibble’s comments:
Those ladies right behind there, they haven’t stopped talking the whole game…They have some conversation going on. Right here…There must be a sale tomorrow going on here or something….Their husbands are going man, don’t bring your wife next time.
Then:
…now they’re back there, they’re eating ice cream and talking at the same time…
Later:
…they’re right there, still talking…
And:
I was just thinking, those women, there’s a new series, Real Housewives of D.C., that just came out…Maybe they’re filming an episode?
This is a perfect example of the way we interpret behavior depending on the gender of the person engaging in it. While I’m by no means a big fan, I have been to baseball games, everything from my nephew’s Little League game for 6-year-olds (seriously hilarious, since the kids mostly run from the ball, stare into space, and have very little idea what’s going on) to major-league games. Everyone eats and talks during the game, at the same time, even. Quite a few spectators consume a lot of beer, after which their conversations become more animated. Sure, they pay more attention at some times than others, but going to a baseball game is a pretty social event that does not involve staring intently at the field at all moments. In fact, the very fact that Dibble was making all these comments means he wasn’t focusing solely on events on the field himself.
But these mundane activities drew Dibble’s attention because women were doing them. Since he stereotypes women as not having a real interest in baseball, their presence, and willingness to talk and eat food, and then talk more, is a sign that they aren’t there for the right reasons and are probably ruining the game for the men around them. They must be talking about typically girly things like shopping. Or maybe they’re there because they’re part of a TV show! That is definitely the most logical explanation.
In a society where gender differences are emphasized, and where femininity is devalued, anything women do may be viewed negatively, even when (or because) men do the exact same thing. The things these women did would almost certainly go unnoticed if a group of men did them, and wouldn’t have attention drawn to them throughout the game. But because it was women, eating and talking becomes noteworthy and bizarre, if not outright annoying, and their presence at all requires explanation.
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Emily — August 13, 2010
My grandmother loved baseball. Family events at her home needed to include time to watch The Ballgame if one was on. F**k Rob Dibble.
jamy — August 13, 2010
Recently, I (a woman) went to a baseball game with my mother. We watch baseball with a particular intensity, tending to not chat too much (but we do eat a little). I used to keep score (me! a woman!) at games, and that certainly will cause you to watch more closely. At the game we attended, there were some super loud early 20s people keeping up a stream of inane chatter. We didn't really get it since we had very good and close seats, where it's more interesting to watch the game. If you just want to yak it up, sit in the bleachers. Anyway, the group consisted of men and women, all equally chatty. Women at baseball games, talking or watching intensely is NOTHING NEW. Anyone who has ever attended a game should know that.
Samantha C — August 13, 2010
Oh my god. what is this. I can't even.
Why is everything I read today depressing?
Theresa — August 13, 2010
Baseball fans have known for almost twenty years now that Rob Dibble is a gold-plated, jet-propelled asshole.
Keiko — August 13, 2010
Wow ladies, be sure you don't go to a baseball game or you'll be ridiculed right out of your seats!
Seriously, what a fucking asshole! I wish all the old male, misogynistic asses would die off already.
sonya — August 13, 2010
It doesn't really matter why he said these comments, as saying them is insulting and furthers stereotypes, but I can't help but think the only reason he could have said this rubbish is because he thought he was being funny. He thought it would make his commentary more interesting, perhaps. It's actually just made him look desperate.
Anne Marie — August 13, 2010
What's great is that if it were men, he'd be saying, WOW THEY MUST REALLY BE DISCUSSING THE GAME!
Jared — August 13, 2010
I'd just like to point out that for a bunch of women who apparently don't like baseball, they sure scored great seats.
Jfermiller — August 13, 2010
That guy on the right is totally texting! Men, I mean really. But he is probably a doctor and needs to remain available, not just some housewife with really good tickets sitting behind the plate.
Those women are probably talking about the physical attributes of the men in front of them. They are facing these men's butts after all.
Stephen A. — August 14, 2010
Any chance there's actually video of this?
Sally — August 14, 2010
Million Dollar Question - What if they were talking about the game?
I'm not a sports fan, but I didn't think they required silence from the fans like a movie.
Jennifer — August 14, 2010
Wish he'd made a bet about it like he did when he thought Japanese people couldn't play baseball. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/07/rob_dibbles_posterior_tattoo.html Glad his co-commentator called him out on his sexism.
Rob Dibble Rant and Response Roundup | The OCD Chick — August 14, 2010
[...] enjoyed the sociological approach presented by Dr. Gwen Sharp of Sociological Images in her post Women Talk, Eat At Baseball Game; Earth Stands Still. This is a perfect example of the way we interpret behavior depending on the gender of the person [...]
some gender stereotyping to start a morning off right « Life as it happens — August 14, 2010
[...] “Women Talk, Eat at Baseball Game; Earth Stands Still” can be found here. [...]
pg — August 14, 2010
Doesn't he just wish they were all Ms. Potatoheads so he could rip off their lips and shut those ladies up! (Yes, someone watched Toy Story 3 recently).
As Dale Spender says "The talkativeness of women has been gauged in comparison not with men but with silence. Women have not been judged on the grounds of whether they talk more than men, but of whether they talk more than silent women."
Bosola — August 14, 2010
Now _this_ is the kind of post that makes Sociological Images so valuable. Textbook-quality examination of privilege--identical behaviors draw diametrically opposed responses. Those who are privileged are given the benefit of the doubt. Those without privilege are forever required to explain themselves. Shades of "finding" food versus "looting" it. Just fantastic.
Sophie — August 15, 2010
This is actually really interesting to me, because I have noticed the prevalence of such behavior in people I know in everyday situations. For example, my boss (head chef in a restaurant where I work as kitchen prep) has on occasion said obnoxious things along these lines. Once, myself and a couple of the other very few women who work in the kitchen were standing by the dishwasher mostly working and talking at the same time. We were discussing the new health insurance laws and to what age a girl who was about to turn eighteen would now be covered under her parents insurance. Perhaps we got a little bit too into the conversation, because suddenly the head chef is yelling, "Hey, while you're having your girl talk the dishes are piling up!" Now, I'm not against being told off because I've been having a conversation when I should have been working, but the "girl talk" was incredibly unnecessary. Even if we HAD been talking about such stereotypically girly things like what sort of shampoo we used or the sale at Macy's or whatever, it's alienating and rude to categorize it as such, especially when you have so few women working with a large group of men. The implication was clear: our discussion couldn't possibly have had an importance, though it was, in fact, about politics, simply because we were a group of women discussing it. This, mixed with a proliferation of South Park quoting amongst the upper kitchen staff and a disgusted response to the answer that I was having bad cramps when asked how I was doing (though I have to watch them wave around sausages and make dick jokes on a regular basis) has really made it clear that any future work environment I choose should have a lot more women in it. It's possible for men to be perfectly nice to you and alienating at the same time. Also, if they grew up with sisters they often will immediately think it makes them some sort of expert on women, and that any and all women will behave like and have the same interests as their sisters.
Another of this sort of disregard I've noticed was through one of my friend's boyfriends. We (my friend, our other good friend who is also female, myself, and the boyfriend) would all hang out and it would seem like a good time. He generally seemed like he could talk to us and laugh, a good indicator for me as I personally wouldn't want to date anyone who couldn't have a good time with my friends. However, later on, my friend would say that he wouldn't want to hang out with us (thus often preventing her from hanging out with us) because we were all girls. I was incensed! At first I wasn't really sure why, but then I figured it out. Though he could talk and laugh with us (and honestly, we barely talk about anything stereotypically girly, so it couldn't be that) but he couldn't really enjoy himself because we were girls and he wasn't sleeping with us. There must be something hardwired in him letting him know. Either that, or he was just missing always talking about video games like he apparently does with his other friends. It was pretty unfortunate, in my opinion, because he's exactly the sort of boy who could benefit and grow emotionally from making other friends. Oh well.
Blog Roundup: Editors’ Picks, August 9-13 : Ms Magazine Blog — August 15, 2010
[...] He even went so far as to circle the women on the screen with his cool pen so that viewers at home knew exactly whom he was talking about.I suspect that this is exactly the kind of raw broadcasting talent, keen insight, passion and charisma that landed Dibble, a former major league pitcher, his coveted job announcing for the Nationals, a team that’s never finished a season with a winning percentage over .500. Sociological Images has more analysis. [...]
Joanne G Murphy — August 22, 2010
As to women talking during the game....How ironic. One of the major factors that got me turned off of televised sports was the constant yakking by the (virtually always MALE) sports commentators/announcers. It created such a din that I could never enjoy the game.
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That's an interesting case.
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