Cross-posted at Anglofille.
The Reclusive Leftist wonders why George Sodini’s mass murder of women in an aerobics class in Pennsylvania last week is not receiving more news coverage. And also, why is the crime not being referred to as a hate crime?
If I want to read about the Pennsylvania shooting, I have to search for it. This evening I typed “George Sodini” (the murderer’s name) into the Google News search box. The stories that came up told me that Sodini was lonely; that he felt rejected by women; that he led a sad, bitter life; that he hadn’t had sex in years; that he longed for women to notice him. Well, isn’t that special.
I looked for the words “hate crime,” but only Ms. Magazine is referring to it that way. Good for them…But Ms. Magazine appears to be alone in its assessment. I can’t find any other media outlets calling the massacre a hate crime. If spraying bullets into a group of female strangers because you hate women isn’t a hate crime, what is?
Her conclusion, which I agree with, is that hatred of women is considered “natural and universal” and so we don’t even give it a thought.
In his NYT column, Bob Herbert nails it. He refers to another mass murder of females in Pennsylvania, when in the autumn of 2006 a man went into an Amish school, separated the girls from the boys, then shot all the girls. Herbert writes:
I wrote, at the time, that there would have been thunderous outrage if someone had separated potential victims by race or religion and then shot, say, only the blacks, or only the whites, or only the Jews. But if you shoot only the girls or only the women — not so much of an uproar…We have become so accustomed to living in a society saturated with misogyny that the barbaric treatment of women and girls has come to be more or less expected. We profess to being shocked at one or another of these outlandish crimes, but the shock wears off quickly in an environment in which the rape, murder and humiliation of females is not only a staple of the news, but an important cornerstone of the nation’s entertainment. The mainstream culture is filled with the most gruesome forms of misogyny, and pornography is now a multibillion-dollar industry — much of it controlled by mainstream U.S. corporations.
Sadly, Bob Herbert is in the extreme minority with his coverage of the Sodini story. Instead, for most of the media, Sodini himself is the real victim – a victim of women. This Boston Globe editorial is a perfect example. According to the Globe, Sodini fits the “typical profile of an American psychopath: He was a loner who lamented his failure with women. His online diary was filled with fury over his sexual frustrations – claiming at one point to have been rejected by ‘30 million’ women. There are, of course, millions of frustrated men who don’t open fire on innocent civilians, so there’s a danger in making too much of his loser profile.”
Sodini is first described as a “psychopath” by the Globe but then by the end of the passage he’s just one of “millions of frustrated men” who are rejected by women. What is implied here is that while most rejected men don’t commit mass murder, it’s understandable why George Sodini – or any man – could snap. He was lonely! Them bitches rejected him! Sodini, a psychopathic multiple murderer, is merely a victim of selfish, shallow females.
Imagine that instead of hating women, George Sodini hated and murdered Jews. Imagine the Boston Globe writing this: “George Sodini tried to befriend many of the Jews in his town, but they rejected him. Last week, he went down to the local synagogue and sprayed bullets everywhere. There are, of course, millions of people around the world who are frustrated by Jews, but most of them don’t actually go out and kill, so there’s a danger of making too much of the fact that Jewish people had rejected Sodini in the past.”
This would be outrageous, of course. Any attempt to rationalize murderous behavior and hatred like this is indefensible. Yet female victims, when targeted because of their femaleness, aren’t accorded this kind of dignity and respect. Instead, women are blamed.
I should point out that the main focus of the Globe’s editorial on Sodini is his racist blog posts against Obama. A lot of other media have also made this the focus of the story, making racist blog posts against Obama equal in significance to mass murder of females. Because, you know, the Obama angle is more interesting and, let’s face it, more important.
The coverage of this case is, across the board, sickening. Here are a few headlines:
Associated Press (via Yahoo News)
And the list goes on. In each case, we see that Sodini is the victim. Nowhere do we see a headline like this: Misogynist Commits Mass Murder or Three Women Murdered in Hate Crime. The articles are clear that Sodini hated women, which of course he did, but for the media, if Sodini hated women, then there must be a reason for it. A good reason. If George Sodini, a proven racist, had murdered African-Americans simply because of their race, would we be asking why George Sodini hated African-Americans? No, because what possible legitimate reason could he have? There isn’t one. He’s a racist asshole and that’s the end of it. But apparently, there are legitimate reasons to hate all women. The articles try to explain, in rational terms, why Sodini hated women, thus making his rampage seem like the next logical step given his mental instability. If women hadn’t deprived him of sex, none of this would have happened.
Here’s the opening of the story from the last headline above, from the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review:
“George Sodini couldn’t find love. He tanned, worked out at the gym, held a steady job and still went nearly two decades without the loving touch of a woman, according to his online blog begun in November. He wrote that he felt totally alone — isolated — and estimated that 30 million desirable women rejected him in the last 30 years. Enraged, he hatched a heinous plan to make some of those pretty young women pay for his misery. The price would be their lives.”
This is just sick. It’s beyond sick. It reaches new levels of vileness. You’ll notice that this, like a lot of the other coverage, is not written as a news report, but almost as entertainment. Whoever wrote this seems to be taking some vicarious pleasure in the actions of Sodini.
Sodini worked out “and still went nearly two decades without the loving touch of a woman” [italics mine]. Poor George. He did everything right, yet these cruel women rejected him. What’s wrong with women? When confronted with a vicious, hate-filled psychopath, they just ran in the other direction, without even considering his good qualities at all. Typical!
For a moment, just imagine if George Sodini had had a girlfriend. There can be virtually no doubt that she would have been physically and emotionally abused during the relationship, because George Sodini hated women. If the woman had tried to escape from him, she would have been stalked and likely murdered. And after he killed her, he would have probably committed a mass murder of women anyway. The headline: Heartbroken Man Goes on Rampage After Being Dumped.
The real story here is not lonely men (there are plenty of lonely women as well), but instead, the real story is male violence against women and girls, which occurs every second of every day in the form of domestic abuse, molestation, harassment, rape and murder. There is no rational, legitimate reason for this hatred of women, yet it is widespread in our culture and everyday, women die as a result. Writes Herbert:
Life in the United States is mind-bogglingly violent. But we should take particular notice of the staggering amounts of violence brought down on the nation’s women and girls each and every day for no other reason than who they are. They are attacked because they are female. A girl or woman somewhere in the U.S. is sexually assaulted every couple of minutes or so. The number of seriously battered wives and girlfriends is far beyond the ability of any agency to count. There were so many sexual attacks against women in the armed forces that the Defense Department had to revise its entire approach to the problem. We would become much more sane, much healthier, as a society if we could bring ourselves to acknowledge that misogyny is a serious and pervasive problem, and that the twisted way so many men feel about women, combined with the absurdly easy availability of guns, is a toxic mix of the most tragic proportions.
This is the conversation we should be having. Instead, the media is legitimizing Sodini’s misogyny and giving him the exact platform he craved – he’s gone out in a blaze of glory, with everyone dissecting his blog posts and commenting on his mistreatment and loneliness.
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Anglofille is the nom de blog of an American ex-pat living in London. She is finishing up a PhD in English and writing a novel with feminist themes. She has previously written for Our Bodies, Ourselves, as well as numerous consumer magazines.
Comments 80
vlucca — August 14, 2009
I feel like Sodini is more an example of what happens when someone is socialized to believe that he had an extreme amount of privilege, but after years of failing to exercise it, he snapped. The fact that it came out as a misogynistic rampage is certainly important, but the last news story posted also evidences this––he worked out, he tanned, he had a lot of money and a steady job; in short, he did everything "right" but still couldn't get some woman to do live up to her part of the bargain and love/sexually please him. It's far easier to write someone like this off as "an unhappy loner" than to actually explore how the women he killed were victims of straight white male privilege.
Jess — August 14, 2009
"there would have been thunderous outrage if someone had separated potential victims by race or religion and then shot, say, only the blacks, or only the whites, or only the Jews. But if you shoot only the girls or only the women — not so much of an uproar…"
I hope I'm not the only one bothered by the Oppression Olympics going on here.
Anonymous — August 14, 2009
Right, the coverage of this event is the only news coverage that is presented as entertainment. It stands out among the primarily well-researched and purely factual stories that appear in the media today... is there an emoticon for rolling your eyes?
The Huffington Post article has a strong focus on other mass murders with similar motives. It EXPLICITLY compares this case to one of a black man killing three white men, and one of a white man killing five "members of ethnic minorities".
Now the other articles? Guilty as charged, I guess. But they all seem to be focusing on a rather narrow range of quotations and data. I wonder how much of the issue is that these are very simple, low-effort rewrites of the original AP story or something.
Cree — August 14, 2009
I'm bothered by it too Jess. Though I think the message of the article, that Sodini's crimes are not being correctly represented as hate crimes, is true and something we should all be paying attention to. However, I don't think it is particularly helpful or correct to compare one oppression with another. Just dropping on oppressed group's name in place of another's in order to make a point is...well, insulting.
Luey — August 14, 2009
I have family in Western Pennsylvania, in fact, one of the women killed was from the small town where my husband grew up. This story was all I heard when I visited last week, but no one discussed it as a hate crime. I heard a lot of sympathy for the killer, ESPECIALLY from women. Most of the women seemed more willing to forgive this guy for what he did then the men were. I myself felt sorry for the killer after hearing how lonely and frustrated he was. I never thought of the hate crime angle and now I wonder how I could have missed it.
It is culturally acceptable to view women as manipulative, heartless bitches who tease and lead men on only to reject them, and to view men as naive, bumbling innocents who just want attention from women. Poor men, how could they ever figure out what is going on in a woman's mind? No wonder he snapped - haven't all men been this frustrated at a woman's behavior? We are socialized to accept and believe this bizarre viewpoint.
Eve — August 14, 2009
So what are they saying? If a woman happens to meet a lonely, unstable man she should have sex with him to make sure he won't become a murderer? It makes no sense - it's as if sex is a commodity that women can dispense like lemonade or something. It's not women's fault if none of them wanted to have sex with him. Sometimes I think there's a large contingent of people out there are sad because it's not okay to rape women anymore (of course in some places/circles it still is, and it still happens regardless). But that's the feeling.
Emily — August 14, 2009
I have the feeling that if this was the other way around, a woman attacking men in a similar setting and because she was "lonely" or "rejected," the media and people reading the story would simply label her as a "crazy bitch."
I read the Pittsburgh Tribune article, and the rest of it is no better than the beginning paragraphs that you posted. A majority of it covers his blog and life rather than the actual crime.
What really suprised me (but I guess it shouldn't) is that they...
- Name/ accept a comment from someone who was in Sodoni's high school class
- Name/ accept a comment from someone who Sodoni had bought his house from
- Descibe when/ what alchohal Sodani drank ("He had not had a drink since 1988, he wrote, but bought a fifth of vodka and a bottle of Jack Daniels whiskey.")
- The comments taken only seem to describe him as "quiet," or further promote the fact that you wouldn't expect this from him. (Relating back to your comment in the article about how he's being portrayed as a victim.)
...But they don't bother to name the women killed/ injured, much less give them a name, history, or comment from their families/ friends. It's pretty clear that the people killed/ injured aren't the focus of this article, and aren't even the focus of the crime (from this article, his lonliness is the basis for the coverage of the crime, not the fact that he took people's lives.)
Portia — August 14, 2009
I completely agree with your analysis, but just to play devil's advocate here, don't most people who willingly commit murder (aside from accidental murder and the like) *hate* their intended victims?
In this way, shouldn't all first-degree murders be labeled hate crimes at least? I would think that in most cases hate would be a prerequisite to even begin to plan someone's murder.
alphafemme — August 14, 2009
Jess and Cree, I don't see it so much as Oppression Olympics as a "HULLO! WOMEN ARE IN FACT VICTIMS OF MISOGYNY! JUST LIKE POCS ARE VICTIMS OF RACISM AND JEWS ARE VICTIMS OF ANTI-SEMITISM!" and queers are victims of homophobia, etc.
The ways in which women experience oppression differ from the ways in which other marginalized folks experience oppression (and that's noting the fact that much, if not most, of the time, these marginalized identities in fact overlap, such that women aren't all white and POCs aren't all men)... but in cases like this one, where the *marginalized group* is in some way carrying the responsibility for something that should be (and obviously is, if one substitutes a different marginalized) identified as a *hate crime*, it seems to me to be a pretty glaring oversight. I.E., see above: HULLO! WOMEN ARE IN FACT VICTIMS OF MISOGYNY!
And the assumption is that women *should* have wanted to be with Sodini, because he supposedly "did everything right." Call me crazy, but how on earth can everyone be going around saying he did everything right when he ended up *killing* these women? Obviously he was a psychopath, hence women not loving him. DUH?
pnc — August 14, 2009
I agree the lonely-guy angle was played for titillation, replacing space that should have gone to links to other hate crime rampages. But this is partly the result of his writings being discovered, and that being his focus. Note these stories were a day or two after the murders, so they were the second wave of coverage (and more was written about the victims earlier and in other stories).
Oh, then there's race/class+gender, as in this story of 9 missing women in Rocky Mount, NC: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/14/rocky-mount-north-carolin_n_259419.html
larry c wilson — August 14, 2009
In addition to the violence against women present in mainstream films such as "Holloween." There is a large market in this country for pseudo-snuff films in which young women are raped and murdered or murdered then raped. These films are produced by companies such as Rue Morgue and Horror Dolls and advertised and sold as downloads or dvds. The First Amendment aside, the production and sale of these films is troubling.
hank — August 14, 2009
I'd say Mr. Sodini was very likely a victim, though not a victim of women. If anything, he was a victim of a system that doesn't care. It seems fairly obvious that the guy had problems, no? Needs that weren't met? He should have seen a therapist rather than shunting his frustration off onto women. But, of course, seeing a therapist really isn't macho. What is macho? Misogyny. Think about it for a bit, this guy hadn't gotten laid since 1984 or something. That's a real affront to his masculinity. He's not going to blame himself for the fact that he hasn't gotten laid in over twenty years, because that would mean admitting that he's a pussy or a girly-man or something like that. I welcome criticism of the media's coverage of the incident as it seems that it is well-deserved, but please don't dehumanize this man. What he did wasn't right, but that doesn't mean he's automatically beyond all redemption (i.e., a psychopath). Patriarchy hurts everyone, regardless of gender.
Over the past few years, every time I hear about a shooting like this, I'm disgusted, but I also feel a bit of sympathy for the shooter, too. Why? Because as far as I know, they were all real people with real grievances who went about solving their problems in the wrong way. The had real hopes and fears and eventually they decided they were beyond hope. I guess it's just too bad they had to get other people involved in their suicides.
Village Idiot — August 14, 2009
Hank, we all had a rough time as kids. Granted, some were rougher than others, but many who suffered horribly never end up killing anybody. I don't care about the abuse someone suffered as a child, the frustration they felt as adults, the inoperable brain tumor pressing on their brain, or any other sad sad story once they begin a killing spree. These women, like all REAL victims of tragedies like this, had nothing to do with their killers' mental malfunction. So sure, sympathize with the tough time a mass-murderer had as a child, but do it after putting a bullet between their eyes without hesitation or remorse (which someone in that gym could've done had they been carrying a firearm, in which case the defective person who sought to bring more violence in the world may have ended up being the only person to suffer its consequences, which seems fair).
So whenever I hear about a shooting like this, I always wonder why the person who snaps didn't begin their murder spree with suicide.
And about those decades of unwilling abstinence, why didn't he pay for some sex? However one feels about prostitution, it's still easily accessible and in light of his focus on sexual rejection I can't understand why this piece of shit didn't utilize that option. It may not have prevented the murders, but then again it might have (if what we're reading about him is the whole story).
wise latina — August 14, 2009
I agree with the premise. I would also argue that this sort of coverage is a reflection of how the media project the typical view of our culture as passed the point of being anti-women. Imagine this had happened in a Muslim or Arab country or community. The media wouldn't have hesitated to immediately point finger at the religion or the misogynist culture. When it happens in 'other' cultures that we don't like it's easy for us to explain it as misogynistic but when it's our own culture and community, there must be another explanation because 'we' don't do what 'they' do.
To me, there is not much difference between this guy and Taliban in Afghanistan. I'm sure they were deprived too but is that how the media explains their actions? Obviously not.
Sadie — August 14, 2009
I'm hoping that the word "girls" in the post title to refer to three grown women was chosen ironically.
David — August 14, 2009
Well, here's what I think.
We all feel somewhat isolated from the rest of society - we feel at odds, sometimes, with others. It's a natural consequence of us not being some sort of ant-like hivemind, and something to be embraced. More than that, we look for meaning in the things we experience.
The majority of us are familiar with feelings of loneliness, isolation, confusion, rejection, and anxiousness in social settings sometimes. Again, a natural consequence of only being one person. The vast majority of us overcome these feelings daily in our dealings with others, thinking consciously that the people we interact with feel just as lonely, just as needing for human interaction. And it isn't really that big a deal. We fit in, love one another, take joy in our togetherness.
So when we read Sodini's blog, we're struck by his loneliness and his seeming inability to overcome these feelings. His awkwardness in social situations that make him feel rejected every day by everyone he meets.
So on the surface, he's experiencing the same things many many people are every day. But what is almost overlooked by many of the people saying this is very simple, and very profound: he's also completely crazy, and a MASS MURDERER.
So taking any meaning from George's blog is looking for meaning in a place where there is none. Because it isn't really just that he felt rejected by women, like he writes in his blog. It's that he hated women, that he wanted to kill them. That he was fucking crazy as shit and had a gun with which to do this.
Any good reasons for rejecting George wouldn't be captured by his blog. His blog solely remarks on the appearance aspects of his life - he's the sort of person that makes a direct correlation between being tanned and having a girlfriend, for christ's sake. This, of course, links directly into the pick-up artist community - which tells participants "if you do X, Y, and Z, the result will be sex or love or both".
George sought that group out simply because it promised him the solution to the problems he was having and ignored that there might be far deeper problems afoot than just "being rejected by women".
And saying "George tried to befriend women but they rejected him. Therefore, he killed women. Millions of men are rejected by women every day, so there's a danger in seeing this reason." conveniently ignores that the leap from feelings of rejection to hatred is a huge one, and is not in any way legitimate.
There is absolutely no legitimate reason to hate all women, just like there is absolutely no legitimate reason to hate all men, or all blacks, or all whites, or all jews, or all arabs, or all of any group. For some reason, Sodini and other racist, sexist, or bigoted killers make that leap. For the vast majority of us, this leap makes no sense at all, and we're puzzled at the same time as we are stunned and horrified.
Personally, I think it's misguided to totally blame the culture we live in - because in doing so, we take the responsibility off of those who do these disgusting and criminal acts.
George Sodini was and is a woman-hating, self-absorbed, appearance-obsessed murderer. This person, before he was a murderer, was still woman-hating, self-absorbed, and appearance-obsessed. He was perhaps rejected by women because he was unable to see that there was more to them than a list of steps and procedures to be followed.
Perhaps a better title for any news article dealing with his blog should read: "Woman-hating, psychopathic murderer has tan, job, house. Is rejected by women once they get to know him. WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS IT IS A MYSTERY." hoping, of course, that readers understand sarcasm.
Delta — August 14, 2009
I wish I could vent about this with my family, but they are the type to say that I am over-reacting about the situation... That's what they said about the fact that only good-looking women were allowed on the main Wimbledon court, and the Venus souvenirs that were slimmed down to an unnatural size. It's tough to be an 18-year-old girl in a family who takes women for granted. (Incidentally, guess which member of the family gets yelled at for not doing enough work, even though I am the sole caretaker of all 7 pets, because apparently nothing counts if I am not doing housework. My brother does not get asked to do housework, ever. I wonder if it is because I am a woman and he is a man.)
Jeffrey — August 14, 2009
I agree completely that this is clearly a hate crime.
But from a purely legal point, I am acutally asking here, is gender included in the hate crimes legislation? If it is not, could that play into the coverage because he would not have been charged with "hate crimes"?
Holly — August 14, 2009
It's interesting, in a horrifying sort of way, to compare the coverage of this event with that of the Montreal Massacre, in which a man blamed "feminists" for "ruin[ing] his life." He killed 14 women at an engineering school 20 years ago this December.
It was similar to this case in many ways, although the body count was higher and rather than romantic frustration, the killer blamed political/education frustration.
Though interpretations and analyses of the event were far from uniform, the Montreal Massacre at least had enormous coverage across Canada. It spawned changes to laws, police protocols, the creation of a National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women and annual ceremonies.
donna darko — August 14, 2009
This is similar to the Montreal Massacre:
Jody Billingsley, 37
Elizabeth "Betsy" Gannon, 49
Heidi Overmier, 46
Mary Primis, shot once in each shoulder
Lisa Fleeher, 27 critically injured
Ashley Ferragonio, 23 seriously injured
Jackquilyne Gallagher, 25 seriously injured
Srimeenakish Sankar, 31 seriously injured
Gretchen Louis, 26 critically injured
Melina Williams, 22 seriously injured, released
Heather Sherba, 22 seriously injured
Stephanie Latusick, 33 treated and released
Djiril — August 14, 2009
Having given in and read his blog posts, the one thing that strikes me about this guy was that even according to his own account OUTSIDE HIS HEAD HE HAD EVERYTHING GOING FOR HIM. He predicts that he will get laid off, and then gets a raise and a promotion. He claims that he lives a lonely womanless existence, and then mentions both going on a date and that an attractive woman at the gym has been making eyes at him for a week.
People are treating this as if it was the standard cultural narrative of a man who gets rejected by women before they get to know him, but if anything, it is the opposite.
I admit to having a certain fascination with why people kill, but I think that if the media decided to focus more on the life stories of the victims than the murderer, there would be a lot less pity for this man.
Jane — August 14, 2009
Though I can't say I have sympathy for the shooter, I think that the system failing to recognize and "deal" with him was a failure toward his victims and their families rather than him. When truly sick people don't get removed from society their victims end up paying the price, so that the rest of us can just look away.
PEter — August 15, 2009
"If George Sodini, a proven racist, had murdered African-Americans simply because of their race, would we be asking why George Sodini hated African-Americans? No, because what possible legitimate reason could he have? There isn’t one. He’s a racist asshole and that’s the end of it."
Though I absolutely agree with the "hate crime" point, and how shockingly blasé we are about such massacres of women, I can't accept the idea that we shouldn't ask "why?". Murderers, like everybody, are hugely shaped by the society around them; Sodini's misogyny was surely partly his own disturbed mind, and partly the background of a society that enables it. Understanding where hatred comes from doesn't mean trying to excuse it; only by understanding its causes can we try to reduce it in future.
just to note — August 15, 2009
[...] recent post on mass murderer George Sodini has been republished at Sociological Images. I really like that blog and I’m glad the issues I raised re: Sodini [...]
Uzza — August 15, 2009
Hate crime without question, but my thinking is pulled in a different direction. There is something seriously wrong with a people who will completely mobilize, reorganize their government, and declare War! when Islamism killed 3000 people on 9/11, yet when another twisted hateful ideology causes half that many deaths EVERY YEAR, we do nothing.
The women in that health club, like the little Amish girls, and et cetera ad nauseam, were terrorized: their terrorists were simple misogynists, not some foreign invader. Americans are far more likely to be attacked by Misogynists than Islamists. We are fighting a war on terror, but we're fighting it with the wrong enemy.
Janie Korn — August 16, 2009
The sensationalist, narrative style of writing utilized by "news" media turns these horrendous murders into just another entertaining story. This reminds me so much of the fascination many have for Jack the Ripper (which I highly suggest you discuss in a future post). Because Jack's victims were prostitutes, to many they deserved their brutal murder, as if Jack was acting under some holy order. Their status as lower class, street walkers pardoned Jack of his behavior, much as Sodini is being described by media outlets as just a lonely, misguided guy. As if to say that if those damn women would only sleep with him, none of this would happen. So what exactly makes the murder of a women entertainment? I don't feel like the story is being disregarded as a tragedy, but at the same time, I feel like this event is being condensed into just another "story."
Webmaster at Trends In Hate — August 16, 2009
Please know that at Trends In Hate we believe Sodini's murderous attack was a gender-based hate crime incident. We believe his attack has not been classified as hate crime incident erroneously. We have included the attack on our "This Date In Hate" calendar as we believe his crimes should be classified by law enforcement as hate crimes (see our August 4th calendar page).
Circe — August 16, 2009
Just a note- I spent waaaay too much time slogging through the hate-filled ravings of a PUA (pick up artist)site called "roissy".
If you want to know where our next mass murderer will spring from, I don't doubt he's among the posters on this blog.
Perhaps the charmer who will only refer to women as c*nts? Or the one who sympathizes with another on the topic of killing "alpha males"- but believes killing women may be more effective... Perhaps even the editor, whose delightful asides sent chills up my spine.
These people are online and they're making their views known- and it is some of the ugliest thinking I've ever encountered.
Perhaps I should be grateful that most of them aren't given an opportunity to breed?
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/game-can-save-lives/
aix — August 17, 2009
I'm not so sure that I would consider this a hate crime only because he did not hate women he just couldn't find a woman that would put up with him. After seeing his picture I can't say that he looks like someone that I would get along with. He looks like he could be an ass but most of all he looks like he could be very cocky and always try to impress everyone. I have seen people like this but not to the extent that they would kill anyone. After reading some of the things that he wrote I was quite appalled but I think it was more in frustration than hate. If he hated women so much he probably would have done something else like rape or molestation but the fact that he killed several women makes me think that he was severely depressed and frustrated. I am not defending him in any way and I believe that what he did was horrible and he should get punished for the rest of his life however I would not consider this a hate crime.
blue — August 24, 2009
aix, it appears that you haven't been following the conversation here or the larger story, because not only has it been explained in detail why this was a hate crime, but your comment "he should get punished for the rest of his life"? Sodini killed himself after murdering Gannon, Overmeier, and Billingsly. There is no "rest of his life".
I wanted to thank the author for posting the victims' pictures and names. I hadn't seen them in any coverage, and I hated that I knew Sodini's name and face, but not those of the women he killed. They need to be known, and remembered.
Circe — August 24, 2009
aix- Yeah, your comment is a little weird anyway. Men who are sexually frustrated do not rape, that is entirely a different crime.
Men who are married and having sex regularly or can find willing partners without much trouble are often rapists. Rape is not something men do out of desperation, rape is its own ...fetish? (I know there's a better word, but I can't think of it right now.)
As you've often heard: Rape is about power and control. It has very little to do with sex, except sex is the vehicle FOR asserting dominance and wanting to diminish and demean the victim as much as possible.
Anyway, if you take his blog and remove all references to women (he doesn't even use the word women- it's pretty much all ho's and sluts) and put in a different racial epithet, and then imagine that he killed 3 and shot 9 of that particular race...
Why would THAT suddenly seem like a hate crime, but this doesn't qualify?
amandaw — August 24, 2009
If George Sodini, a proven racist, had murdered African-Americans simply because of their race, would we be asking why George Sodini hated African-Americans? No, because what possible legitimate reason could he have? There isn’t one. He’s a racist asshole and that’s the end of it.
What?
No. No, no, no. Have you not been paying attention to, you know, the last almost-year in which racists have shown up in droves to criticize everything about the country that has changed since Bush left and that black guy took the oath of office -- and all we hear is "the legitimate reasons" they have for discontent, and it's blasphemy to use the r-word?
I hate the term "oppression olympics." That's not what this is. It's just plain, pure privilege speaking.
This is why you never make these comparisons. Because you don't know what your privilege is making you unable to see. So leave it alone. Make your case without using someone else's struggles as a mere tool to prove your own -- diminishing theirs in the process.
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