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Oddly, three high profile female musicians find themselves in a public debate about what it means to be a feminist. We can thank Miley Cyrus for the occasion. After claiming that the video for Wrecking Ball was inspired by Sinead O’Connor’s Nothing Compares to You, O’Connor wrote an open letter to the performer. No doubt informed by Cyrus’ performance at the VMAs, she argued that the music industry would inevitably exploit Cyrus’ body and leave her a shell of a human being. Amanda Palmer, another strong-minded female musician, responded to O’Connor. She countered with the idea that all efforts to control women’s choices, no matter how benevolent, were anti-feminist.
I keep receiving requests to add my two cents. So, here goes: I think they’re both right, but only half right. And, when you put the two sides together, the conclusion isn’t as simple as either of them makes it out to be. Both letters are kind, compelling, and smart, but neither capture the deep contradictions that Cyrus – indeed all women in the U.S. – face every day.
Cyrus in Wrecking Ball:
O’Connor warns Cyrus that the music industry is patriarchal and capitalist. In so many words, she explains that the capitalists will never pay Cyrus what she’s worth because doing so leaves nothing to skim off the top. The whole point is to exploit her. Meanwhile, her exploitation will be distinctly gendered because sexism is part of the very fabric of the industry. O’Connor writes:
The music business doesn’t give a shit about you, or any of us. They will prostitute you for all you are worth… and when you end up in rehab as a result of being prostituted, “they” will be sunning themselves on their yachts in Antigua, which they bought by selling your body…
Whether Cyrus ends up in rehab remains to be seen but O’Connor is, of course, right about the music industry. This is not something that requires argumentation, but is simply true in a patriarchal, capitalist society. For-profit industries are for profit. You may think that’s good or bad, but it is, by definition, about finding ways to extract money from goods and services and one does that by selling it for more than you paid for it. And media companies of all kinds are dominated at almost all levels by (rich, white) men. These are the facts.
Disagreeing, Palmer claims that O’Connor herself is contributing to an oppressive environment for women. All women’s choices, Palmer argues, should be considered fair game.
I want to live in a world where WE as women determine what we wear and look like and play the game as our fancy leads us, army pants one minute and killer gown the next, where WE decide whether or not we’re going to play games with the male gaze…
In Palmer’s utopia, no one gets to decide what’s best for women. The whole point is to have all options on the table, without censure, so women can pick and choose and change their mind as they so desire.
This is intuitively pleasing and seems to mesh pretty well with a decent definition of “freedom.” And women do have more choices – many, many more choices – than recent generations of women. They are now free to vote in elections, wear pants, smoke in public, have their own bank accounts, play sports, go into men’s occupations and, yes, be unabashedly sexual. Hell they can even run for President. And they get to still do all the feminine stuff too! Women have it pretty great right now and Palmer is right that we should defend these options.
So, both are making a feminist argument. What, then, is the source of the disagreement?
O’Connor and Palmer are using different levels of analysis. Palmer’s is straightforwardly individualistic: each individual woman should be able to choose what she wants to do. O’Connor’s is strongly institutional: we are all operating within a system – the music industry, in this case, or even “society” – and that system is powerfully deterministic.
The truth is that both are right and, because of that, neither sees the whole picture. On the one hand, women are making individual choices. They are not complete dupes of the system. They are architects of their own lives. On the other hand, those individual choices are being made within a system. The system sets up the pros and cons, the rewards and punishments, the paths to success and the pitfalls that lead to failure. No amount of wishing it were different will make it so. No individual choices change that reality.
So, Cyrus may indeed be “in charge of her own show,” as Palmer puts it. She may have chosen to be a “raging, naked, twerking sexpot” all of her own volition. But why? Because that’s what the system rewards. That’s not freedom, that’s a strategy.
In sociological terms, we call this a patriarchal bargain. Both men and women make them and they come in many different forms. Generally, however, they involve a choice to manipulate the system to one’s best advantage without challenging the system itself. This may maximize the benefits that accrue to any individual woman, but it harms women as a whole. Cyrus’ particular bargain – accepting the sexual objectification of women in exchange for money, fame, and power – is a common one. Serena Williams, Tila Tequila, Kim Kardashian, and Lady Gaga do it too.
We are all Miley, though. We all make patriarchal bargains, large and small. Housewives do when they support husbands’ careers on the agreement that he share the dividends. Many high-achieving women do when they go into masculinized occupations to reap the benefits, but don’t challenge the idea that occupations associated with men are of greater value. None of us have the moral high ground here.
So, is Miley Cyrus a pawn of industry patriarchs? No. Can her choices be fairly described as good for women? No.
That’s how power works. It makes it so that essentially all choices can be absorbed into and mobilized on behalf of the system. Fighting the system on behalf of the disadvantaged – in this case, women – requires individual sacrifices that are extraordinarily costly. In Cyrus’ case, perhaps being replaced by another artist who is willing to capitulate to patriarchy with more gusto. Accepting the rules of the system translates into individual gain, but doesn’t exactly make the world a better place. In Cyrus’ case, her success is also an affirmation that a woman’s worth is strongly correlated with her willingness to commodify her sexuality.
Americans want their stories to have happy endings. I’m sorry I don’t have a more optimistic read. If the way out of this conundrum were easy, we’d have fixed it already. But one thing’s for sure: it’s going to take collective sacrifice to bring about a world in which women’s humanity is so taken-for-granted that no individual woman’s choices can undermine it. To get there, we’re going to need to acknowledge the power of the system, recognize each other as conscious actors, and have empathy for the difficult choices we all make as we try to navigate a difficult world.
Cross-posted at Pacific Standard.
Lisa Wade, PhD is an Associate Professor at Tulane University. She is the author of American Hookup, a book about college sexual culture; a textbook about gender; and a forthcoming introductory text: Terrible Magnificent Sociology. You can follow her on Twitter and Instagram.
Comments 203
decourcy — October 14, 2013
I see arguments like Amanda Palmer's a lot, that any attempt to control a woman's decision is anti-feminist, but Miley's decision is likely not her own anyway, but influenced by a culture that tells women in order to be successful you have to package yourself as sexual commodity. Who knows what our -actual- decisions would be without this issue.
jess — October 14, 2013
Fantastic article.
Angry Metal Guy — October 14, 2013
This is great. When I was having a conversation about the whole thing with my partner, it struck me that essentially we're having a "radical feminist" vs. "third wave feminist" debate (obviously simplifying things a bit) between O'Conner and Palmer. This would actually be pretty interesting teaching material if you're teaching about feminism and its intellectual history and debates.
wolfwilson1 — October 14, 2013
Let me pose a hypothetical situation since you used the words empathy and power in the same article. I always like to argue that empathy on a macro scale is impossible and I'm thinking that "collective sacrifice" is either the same notion as empathy or something that resembles it and is equally impossible.
The hypothetical goes like this: I am a wealthy teen who has just been accepted into a prestigious university. I did everything right throughout my life and I deserve the placement that I have received. On the other hand, I have a friend of a friend that also applied to the same university. He didn't get accepted but he did everything right in life and deserved to be accepted. His family has far less wealth than my family. His family is a lower class family and struggles to pay the bills, while my family will pass on a large sum of money to me. So if he were to be accepted his family would likely benefit relatively much more than my family will.
Here is the question. Should I call the Dean of the College and tell her that I would rather give up my place to my friends friend since he and his family will benefit more? That would be the empathetic thing to do. I believe that would also be a particle of what you call collective sacrifice. How many individual particles does it take to amount to collective sacrifice?
If Miley refuses the Patriarchal Bargain, then of course there is someone there to fill her shoes in an instant. That's the capitalist prods and pushes that are a part of our social order. We wouldn't expect a girl who spent many of her years in foster care, when presented with the opportunity to be the next Miley Cyrus to turn it down based on the notion of empathy or collective sacrifice. So will there ever be enough individual sacrifices to amount to a collective sacrifice? I can't see it, so I see no need in pondering on the good it would do the world.
Em Wingren — October 14, 2013
One can always count on The Society Pages to explore the complexities of trending topics in the most eloquent way possible.
myblackfriendsays — October 14, 2013
Very well said.
MaleFeminist — October 14, 2013
That reminds me of an article I read about by Nancy Fraser and the question ho w feminisms contributed (or even optimized) capitalism (without the intention to do that in most cases).
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/14/feminism-capitalist-handmaiden-neoliberal?CMP=twt_gu
Rairun — October 14, 2013
All in all, I don't think this article takes the middle road between Palmer and O'Connor. It's roughly on O'Connor's camp (plus intellectual rigor, minus slut-shamming). It makes the very same points as O'Connor, but draws attention to the fact that no single woman should have to bear the weight of changing the world. The stakes are too high, and you simply can't expect an individual to be a martyr for any given cause.
However, I do think the writer misjudges the reach of Palmer's argument. Were she a radfem, she would have used the word "funfem" to describe Palmer - which I don't necessarily disagree with. Palmer's letter, as an intellectual argument, falls apart as too simplistic and individualistic. But it works a lot better as a defense of Palmer's own behavior. Her train of thought appears to have been: "Hey, Sinead could have criticized my behavior in the very same terms, and she would be WRONG. I can explain how my overt use of nudity and sexuality is not about gambling the system: it is subversive. It is a big fuck you to the status quo. So I'm going to give Miley - and every woman - the benefit of the doubt, since I don't want to help create an environment where personal acts of resistance are oversimplified and mistaken for capitulation, even if that means that at times I will fail to identify actual capitulation for what it is. It's not like women should be the ones held responsible for any capitulation they do, anyway."
In short, I very much agree with Lisa Wade. But Palmer is right to warn us against the dangers of hastily identifying capitulation, particularly in a way that - bizarrely - ends up setting up "good", traditional girls as a model of freedom from exploitation. The way certain brands of feminism appear to converge with right wing ideology is a very, very disturbing thing.
L — October 14, 2013
This piece is so well-argued and articulated. Thank you for writing it. I completely agree-- we are individuals that have agency but are also affected by (and in turn affect) our environment.
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Mylie Cyrus and feminism | Committing Sociology — October 14, 2013
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Mike Ryan — October 14, 2013
Read Elisabeth Grosz on a new future of feminism. Radical feminist against 3rd wave feminist doesn't go anywhere. I'm also disappointed in this analysis that we should be happy woman can have 'men's jobs' and vote? Its like still viewing women as a lesser man but patting us on the back for acknowledging their efforts. Regarding Miley: one person can't be expected to change everything, but when one person's choices perpetuate macro trends that hurt others, this becomes a problem. In comparison to someone like Britney Spears, whether her own choices or a production company, her sexuality matured with a balance of provocation, individual expression, sex-selling, and consistency (so as not to jump in image). Miley, like most people aren't aware how the choices they are making have been programmed in their brains before they make them. So this is where I agree with O'Connor in that the people working with Miley should have been smarter to take advantage of the opportunity to guide her towards something different. Instead of letting her think shes being individual by being naked. If she wants to get naked at parties or in her private life to express herself and her body, go for it, but then she's performing in front of billions of people I don't see objectifying yourself as individual expression. Its a pattern in our society thats connected to power. If everyone had the chance to get naked and be seen by many, then great, lets have that trend of expression. But when its only connected to power, it becomes desperate and not expressive.
Leslie Healey — October 14, 2013
I am not sure Miley Cyrus has enough of a grasp on metaphor to have created an authentic image of herself in the video. In charge of her own decisions, yes, but understanding them? I am not so sure. I guess that puts me on the O'Connor side, though I would rather think like Ms Palmer.
Sociology Professor at Occidental College Gets Super Close to Right on Feminism — October 14, 2013
[...] Taking on the whole Amanda-Palmer-responds-to-Sinead-O’Connor-writing-to-Miley-Cyrus-about-twerking brouhaha, Lisa Wade, a sociology professor at Occidental College makes some really spot-on, well-articulated, interesting, and not-often-enough-expressed points. [...]
guest — October 14, 2013
This article sounds like second wave feminism. Also known as "White feminism".
"We are all Miley" Fuck no, I'm not.
This article did not mention race ONCE, which is both anti-feminist, and interesting because the author lists 3 women of color as supplemental examples (Serena Williams, Kim Kardashian who passes as white, and Tila Tequila). The intersectional issues that come along with women's choices, esp. in terms of sexuality and body presentation, are so much more complicated and difficult. Miley uses WoC (see VMA performance and "We Can't Stop" video) AS PROPS. She is disgusting not for her "sexuality", but for her racial appropriation. She is profiting off of "twerking" (although her version of it is embarrassing and not twerking at all) that is a cultural dance tradition for African Diasporic peoples. She has made it a mockery for White Amerikkka to consume out of context. People think she is being hyper-sexual not because of her weird foam finger or skimpy outfits, per se, but mostly because she is appropriating movements society deems "sexualized" because they are typically done by black bodies- the audience subconsciously knows this and then labels her a slut. And presentation of sexuality is ONLY EMPOWERING FOR WHITE WOMEN. White women have the option to be "sexually free" OR "virginal and pure". Women of color, esp. black women, DO NOT have this option. "Sex" and "slut" are already written on their bodies.
I give Miley credit for nothing. She claimed Detroit as a city that helped her "grow up" after she spent one summer here filming a shitty movie IN GROSSE POINTE. She says "yo" and "my homies" in interviews...she was a country singer that is the daughter of a successful country star- she is and has been wealthy all her life. She is white. She is not from a rough part of town. No girl. That's not your life.
The author really missed the mark.
Jay Bailey — October 14, 2013
So is it inherent in capitalism to commodify people or can it be a more nurturing system? If so, how can we get there?
Kerim — October 14, 2013
I wonder if anywhere in all this is space to talk about "aesthetics"? Let's compare this with Katy Perry's California Gurls. From one point of view both of these videos are exploitative in their use of the female form and are therefore indistinguishable in terms of the power relations they represent. However, from another point of view, California Gurls is funny, and the use of the female form works within both the logic of the video and the lyrics, etc. while in Wrecking Ball, it seems to be purely gratuitous - even going against the lyrics and tone of the song. My question is whether there is any way in which this matters? (If you don't like this particular comparison, I'm sure one could find others that are better.) And if it does, why?
adam — October 14, 2013
"But why? Because that’s what the system rewards. That’s not freedom, that’s a strategy."
That's quite a claim to make, hoping that no one asks you to back it up...
lll — October 15, 2013
miley's situation and her brand of feminism is complicated by her appropriation of black culture and objectification of black bodies though, same with amanda palmer re: race/disability/other identities that she's exploited
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Jennifer Stahl — October 15, 2013
Interesting analysis of the whole situation.
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[...] This week Malala Yousafzai didn’t win the Nobel Peace Prize. The Pakistani schoolgirl, shot in the head by the Taliban because she campaigned for women’s right to education, didn’t need to for the importance of her work to be publicly recognised. Also nominated was Dr. Denis Mukgewe, who has performed reconstructive work on over 30,000 victims of gang-rape in D.R.C. Congo, which witnesses 48 new incidents of rape every minute, and that only among women aged 15-49. The very real disparity that still exists between men and women is perhaps most clearly felt in areas where economic and social inequality is bound up with continuing gender inequality. Meanwhile, we here in the West continue to discuss Miley swinging naked on a wrecking ball in the name of public entertainment. [...]
Alex Christie — October 15, 2013
first world problems
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Connor — October 15, 2013
Of course she already had fame, money, and power before objectifying herself. I find claims of personal agency rather hard to digest in the context of a child pop star.
gigelceluratzel — October 15, 2013
There is a lot of talk about feminism. I am a man, I understand that sometimes women fight with this "paternalism", but refuging under the "feminist" umbrella, you miss many other points. Primarily, Cyrus is not a woman, she is a human being. She sets examples for both women and men, girls and boys.
I am tutoring children for a living. One of my student, an 11 years old girl, is totally mesmerized by Cyrus. My pupil is a child with great potential, talented and smart but the role models out there are twisting her mind that sometimes is hard to get to her. There is no way for Shakespeare to compete with that. She dreams only of red carpets and limos. She cannot see the work behind it, the traps, the disappointments. Cyrus and others are setting standards for children and teenagers. My pupil even became vegan for few weeks after she learned that one her stars was doing so. As a parent or carer it is impossible to ban access to all the possible sources. Her parents don't handle technology that well. She and many others are learning the wrong lessons. If any of you are pretending to be as feminist as you state, you should be the first to stop this kind of act: You are turning your girls into meat before they turned 14. More than that, you are learning your boys that this is what they should ask for from their future partners.
Alright, sex is for sale, but not everything that has a price should be sold. If you would really follow the interest of women, you should demand equal payments for similar jobs with men, you should be worried that there are not enough women CEO's, you should be worried that there are not enough women politicians, not demanding the right to take off your clothes in public. Instead of arguing about individualistic or systemic perspectives, you should worry about the impact around her ---- There is no freedom if she or any through their acts and their consequences limit the freedom of others.
If any of you, as women, understand her act as newly discovered form of expressing women's freedom, flash news: you are wrong.
Does history repeat itself, but with more porn? | Family Inequality — October 15, 2013
[...] course I think this because I’m old, but I think the conversation has slid backward. In Lisa Wade’s excellent comment, she draws on a 1988 article, “Bargaining With Patriarchy,” which [...]
Alison — October 15, 2013
I think it would be helpful to gain an understanding of what different life 'choices' actually mean to individuals before generalising about whether they're helpful to society on the whole. Learning about uniqueness would remind us that what appear to be generic roles actually get chosen and experienced by different people for different reasons, and get experienced differently too. I don't mean it in an individualist way - of course we draw on shared, cultural meanings to make sense of ourselves as individuals. But if we listen to individuals rather than form theories for them, we'll understand them better and therefore be less judgemental of them. It's the judging that allows shaming to thrive and it's knowing about it and its severity that makes people anxious about their own choices and inclined to judge others.
Jammy Jackson — October 15, 2013
People are afraid of a woman showing her body or her sexuality. Strange isn't it? After all humans are sexual beings-and that's why we still are here
oh — October 15, 2013
Two words that help define the problems with today's unequaled decline in the moral fabric of society - Miley Cyrus
magdalen silvestra — October 15, 2013
I don't care about the intellectual arguments
Who is using who
It's just cheap and vulgar behaviour - enough said
therichpastriarchy — October 15, 2013
So what do Lisa Wade, Amanda palmer and O'conner have to say to Prince? Is Prince a victim of Patriarchy too? Becuase he is definitely selling records with his body and sex
Our Metapolitical World | serialnonconformist — October 15, 2013
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Nino Rekhviashvili — October 15, 2013
How about we ask Miley how she feels about where she is and what she's doing? Does she give a shit that she makes only 1/2002000 what she's worth? If so, how much does she care? And if not, is it fair to call her a pawn?
Women make concessions all the time, and it fucking sucks, but to crucify her as an actor of patriarchy rather than the victim is awful.
In the end, she's doing her fucking thing, as well all are, and that's the best we got. If you want to fight, fight the laws that don't protect against exploitation. If you want to blame, blame yourself for not casting a vote in the right direction. Enough getting your angst out on who's really just another person.
Ayedeepee — October 15, 2013
I think this issue is particularly bad when you look at Cyrus' history. She didn't get big by sexualising her image, she was already big when she started doing that. She got big with a very different image, at a much younger age with a much younger audience. That audience (lets be honest predominantly female) are already endeared with Cyrus, and growing up with her are likely to emulate her new found sexuality. This is not a new phenomenon, though i think we should take heart that people are catching on, there was no way near this back lash when Britney did it.
Jim — October 15, 2013
I think modern day feminism actually has a bigger say in what Miley Cyrus is doing that patriarchal society. It's all about shock factor, not pleasing men. If you look on all the blogs, social media, no-one is talking about how sexy Miley Cyrus is, it's all about what she's doing as a woman. People are profiting off this movement and the hype it generates, knowing everyone is going to shout 'so women in the 21st century still have to objectify themselves to get success it's a disgrace!'. OR 'Good for her, controlling her sexuality'. Every time you post an article like this, this is what in turn is feeding her machine, not male objectification.
LaurieAC — October 15, 2013
I am truly weary of feminists minimizing, celebrating and making excuses
for the atrocious and poor choices and even violent behavior of women
while they hypocritically would never do the same for men who behave the
same way. The term "slut shaming" is especially hypocritical: Feminists
are claiming that it is OK for woman to act in the very ways that they
have been claiming are disgusting and unacceptable when men are the
focus. The double standard sexism, this infantalizing of women as if
they do not need to take responsibility for their choices and actions
and the constant demonization of men and boys has got to stop.
Lisa — October 15, 2013
Let Miley do what Miley wants. Why are her actions about me or you?
Sherri Holley — October 16, 2013
I am NO way a prude, but I wonder what the hell licking something as a phallic symbol, trusted up in chains, and wigging your ass in front of some dude like your doing him in public is anyway having to do with music. She looks stupid with her wink and her tongue hanging out. I don't know how the hell told her it's a good look. It all looks like it invites ideas of raping women, that our only wish is to go down on them, making women your slave and many of the others are doing on the stage. I am all for a great show, but we wonder why there is so much violence is being done to women. I am not blaming women in anyway, but this is getting ridiculous.
Andrew — October 16, 2013
Much of the fuss around this adult woman taking her clothes off seems to assume that it's for the purpose of being taken seriously in the same market as performers like Sinead O'Connor and Amanda Palmer - both of whom really are musicians through and through, rather than nine-figure cross-platform multimedia brands. But despite the one commonality of the fact that there's a female voice singing, I think they're working in two completely different trades.
The Miley Cyrus brand (and I want to detach that commodity from the person, who just happens to be the CEO of that brand, and from here on out I'm just going to call it Miley) has continuously delivered itself to the lucrative market of girls-a-few-years-younger-than-Miley with the same schtick: Miley is a surrogate for your fantasies about being a little older. Her TV character offered a fairytale version of teenage life written for the preteen market; Hannah Montana was a ten-year-old's fifteen-year-old. As an entertainer, Miley assuaged the preteen anxieties about the difficult years to come with an story in which suburban teenage life was a peaceful refuge from being a rich and glamorous pop star.
Since then, the aesthetics have changed, but the core audience hasn't. Miley is now a fifteen-year-old's twenty-year-old. She is now a surrogate for the sheltered teenager dreaming of the freedom of adulthood, assuaging anxieties about student loans and crisis-level unemployment with fantasies about endless orgiastic parties. Miley is acting up in public on behalf of the sheltered adolescent with a reluctant spark of rebellion, wearing the clothes that kid's parents won't let her leave the house in, having the fun (and yes, the sex and the drugs) that adolescents assume people in their twenties are having while they're stuck in suburbia doing homework.
It's a seamless transition from the Hannah Montana act, and it wouldn't make any sense if it weren't racy. In five more years, when her core audience no longer longs to be older, she will most likely redirect her attention to the gay market, which can keep her remixed and auto-tuned in discos well into her fifties if she appeases it with the right blend of endearingly amateurish vocals and tabloid-friendly public antics.
Miley Cyrus, the person who ostensibly owns the Miley brand and hopefully gets to keep some of the money it makes, may or may not feel obliged to serve the cause of feminism, and she may or may not feel exploited and absused by the industry she will have spent over half her life in by the time she's 30. But few of the self-described feminists determined to erase her own agency in managing a profitable business have cared enough about that individual woman enough to ask. They don't seem to realize that celebrity is just as dehumanizing with the clothes on.
Michel Hervé Navoiseau-Bertaux — October 16, 2013
My 2 cents: "Miley Cirus, femen of the year!" http://mutil-abolition-droit-au-corps.blogspot.fr/2013/10/miley-cirus-femen-of-year.html
k — October 16, 2013
I feel like Cyrus is getting more credit than she is due.
Huntington — October 16, 2013
"...it’s going to take collective sacrifice to bring about a world in
which women’s humanity is so taken-for-granted that no individual
woman’s choices can undermine it." Nor any individual man's choices.
Miley is not Hannah Montana | Piece Of My HeartPiece Of My Heart — October 16, 2013
[...] Lisa Wade wrote here wrote, both are right. As I said it before (here) Miley is well aware of her choices and it has [...]
Strip the Illusion — October 16, 2013
One question, would O'Connor been as public if she wasn't touring in the states next month?
Brandon Edward — October 16, 2013
The idea
Patriarchal Bargains, Agency and The Authentic Feminist Sexuality™ — October 16, 2013
[...] I’m going to write about it because of this insightful commentary by Lisa Wade, PhD, called My 2 Cents on Feminism and Miley Cyrus. I recommend you read the full article before continuing on. Here’s the main gist of [...]
Brandon Edward — October 16, 2013
The idea that people make "individual choices" in the sense being eluded to in the article above is a metaphysical construct, a religious superstition that people in this culture are battered over the head with from childhood on in order to entrench the idea of an isolated "self." This fictional self is central to capitalism's ability to atomize people into individual producer/consumer units. Its the backbone of the logic of monetary exchange; for feminists to uphold this fiction works against any serious effort to change the culture because it both obscures and downplays the role that culturally inculcated beliefs and institutionally shaped life conditions play in producing both "selves" and the "individual choices" they make to begin with. What this means is that aside from the obvious external limits institutions impose on behavior, both the culture and the larger institutional matrix the "self" exists within impose internal limits on decision making as well. Does this mean that there is no such thing as autonomy? No. Autonomy does exist in as much as people seem to be able to spontaneously become aware of, and resist to a significant degree, the powerful external and internal shaping forces pressing down upon them. But I would argue that this is more of a kind of "psycho-social immune response"--to a way of life and set of values that is killing our species physically, psychologically and socially--than any kind of "individual will" in the superstitious sense people commonly mean it. This newer, more practical view (more practical and empirical in the sense that it lines up more accurately with the current interdisciplinary social science and theory emerging on human behavior) of autonomy has to begin to enter into feminist dialogue if we want to be able to move forward. These types of debates about "individual choice" are anachronistic to the core.
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Rigo — October 16, 2013
What Miley Cyrus Did was a Public Relation performance. . She showed the world that she is no longer a singer child from Disney "Ana Montana" and She show that she is an adult now called the attention of everyone, any criticism of her even if is bad is a good PR because now people wanted to see this video, if they see it, the may like it. People called her derogate names just because is compered with Ana Montana. Some people may judge her and if they are allow they will stone her to dead, just like in the biblical time, disregarding that she is not a "prostitute" or "slut" but a singer.
Spc Board — October 17, 2013
you managed to merge two conflicting views with this analysis, something not easy to pull off - and brought it all home at the end. Thank you for this! We posted it on our facebook page. if you are interested: for our own article on the topic, also published on the new Stop Porn Culture - Official facebook page, please go here: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=612101688835435&id=597295680316036
Mike Michaels — October 17, 2013
There is no rape culture, there is a false accusation of rape culture.
http://elusivewapiti.blogspot.com/2012/09/illegitimate-rape-accusations-are-real.html
GBSS — October 17, 2013
She countered with the idea that all efforts to control women’s choices, no matter how benevolent, were anti-FEMINIST. Not anti-female. not sexist. not misogynistic or any of the other excuses feminists use to discredit any criticism of women or their behavior. ANTI-FEMINIST. So what? Just another hate group trying to justify their hate.
Week Ending | An Appalling Lack of Charm — October 17, 2013
[...] Lisa Wade on Miley, Sinead, and Amanda F. Palmer [...]
Becca Baker — October 17, 2013
Palmer articulates the feminist bargain well: "She’s been taking advantage of herself, of her youth, her fame and her sexuality…and she knows it. We females all do this, to some extent, and we just want to feel like it’s our hand on the joystick.". She is making the same point this article is trying to make. She is in fact arguing to "acknowledge the power of the system, recognize each other as conscious actors, and have empathy for the difficult choices we all make as we try to navigate a difficult world". She is saying have empathy. Her post definitely swayed my views on this whole debacle. I too rebelled and used sexuality to get people to look, just like Amanda and like Miley is doing (in a less punk rock way).
admitmetoyourphdprogram — October 17, 2013
you could throw a hammer into both these arguments by bringing up the appropriation of ratchet culture as part and parcel of what Lisa is calling patriarchal bargaining. if bargaining is an action imbued both with agency and control that only harms oneself, then we are left in a conundrum. if we say that bargain on behalf of an upper class white woman includes the exploitation and degradation of black culture for profit, that is, if we say that bargain includes shitting on other women who are black then we can call it anti or non feminist. we can also call the three feminists who completely avoid this topic, race, not feminist as well and be done with it. or be done with feminism, either way. read kimberle crenshaw people, its 2013.
apollohacked — October 17, 2013
"In Cyrus’ case, her success is also an affirmation that a woman’s worth
is strongly correlated with her willingness to commodify her sexuality."
Yeah, whatever. Did Alanis Morissette, Bjork, Tori Amos (just to name a few) commodified their sexuality. Of course not. They had talent; Cyrus doesn't.
M — October 17, 2013
I think Miley knows exactly what she's doing and it has profited her in the way that she was planning. It's using what she has learned about the music industry regarding sex and women and using it to "play the game." As a woman, I don't really see the problem.
Beckstar — October 17, 2013
Thank you, you have said what I was thinking, but could never have articulated so well.
Bolekwa — October 18, 2013
All in all Cyrus is a young person (girl/boy) that was influenced by big names in the industry. At her age it all seems cool to be controversial and shock people. That's all there is to it, a young person who was swayed into doing something.
The more people hammer on sexism etc., the more it gets amplified and then every decision a woman makes is analysed and put into little categories. That in itself is already sexist and creates an environment where women must first think what would be appropriate, before they react.
I reckon O'Connor personally didn't like the video and called it sexist. She should've just said that she didn't like it, period.
MY TWO CENTS ON FEMINISM AND MILEY CYRUS | now there and here الآن هناك وهنا ici et là — October 18, 2013
[...] MY TWO CENTS ON FEMINISM AND MILEY CYRUS [...]
Linkspam, 10/18/13 Edition — Radish Reviews — October 18, 2013
[...] My Two Cents on Feminism and Miley Cyrus This is really interesting in that it talks about something called the “patriarchal bargain”, which is a great shorthand for choices that women sometimes have no choice but to make. [...]
dontlikeitdontcare — October 18, 2013
In my opinion, women should be able to do what they want. That is part of the freedom we deserve. But yes, the system molds what we want. We want to be famous and think that we will be famous by being naked so we do it. But that goes for everything else as well (food, careers, image). I think that women have a lot of power with their bodies because men allow it to have a lot of power. Is it wrong to use something we are good at in order to get what we want? Why can we use our strengths to get to what we want (singing, cooking, shooting, etc) but we should exclude our bodies and our sex? Because religion has made it taboo. Religion has told the world that it is wrong to use your body and your sex for those purposes. But why? Why is something that was created so beautiful and pleasureful be wrong? In my opinion, that is one way men have used to control women over time and it is because they knew how much power we had with it. If you are truly a free spirit, there is nothing wrong with being sexual.
I think one of the problems is that people do not know what they are getting into. If you know the consequences of your actions and yet you decide to go ahead with it, then there should be no problem with that. It is when you believe you will get X with doing something when in the end you only get Y that there is a problem.
Cat Weaver — October 18, 2013
zzzzzzzz... excuse me? Were we discussing Marilyn Monroe or Madonna?
Chris Harmon — October 19, 2013
Thank you for speaking my thoughts so eloquently.
Dick Lipski — October 19, 2013
More bravo sierra from the IBTC.
Miley Cyrus – Sexobjekt oder Streitobjekt? | sunflower22a — October 19, 2013
[...] hat die Debatte auch die feministischen Intellektuellen erreicht. Die Soziologieprofessorin Lisa Wade macht dazu gute Anmerkungen, und sie bezieht nicht einfach Position für die eine oder andere [...]
The Miley debates, and striking ethical positions! | mommyblog lines: — October 19, 2013
[...] http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/10/14/my-two-cents-on-feminism-and-miley-cyrus/ [...]
Georgia Morley — October 20, 2013
"In Cyrus’ case, her success is also an affirmation that a woman’s worth is strongly correlated with her willingness to commodify her sexuality." Beautifully said. In fact, from the perspective of someone who DID go to rehab, and used her sexual identity to Fill the giant whole in her soul, this 'sexuality' as it is being deemed is both a violation of self respect (proving that sex sells out over artistry and brains OBVIOUSLY), a huge step backwards in liberation (sacred sexual identity) and unfortunate. However, it does provide an incredible platform for conversation; a dialogue that can continue with young girls today, and a great reminder that feminist sexuality comes from neither ball gowns or army pants, scantily clad, or turtle necked, but instead it is a way of being in your life - fierce and intelligent. Miley isn't doing anything new or outrageous, she's simply a commodity and she knows it and she is being paid for it handsomely regardless of the music industries lack of integrity - she has made the choice. She won't be remembered for it however because it holds no significance in the eyes of art, philanthropy, or education - she will have to say something significant to really place herself on the map and until then, we have a great example of why women are objectified and are still placed under value in the world. Ya I said that.
Immigration, Obamacare, the Duggars, and more | Politics Power Sex — October 21, 2013
[…] you been reading (or caring) about Miley Cyrus and whether her performances are feminist or not? Here’s the smartest take on the debate that I’ve come across […]
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Assignment for Friday, October 25, 2013 | English 200 — October 21, 2013
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Does History Repeat Itself, But With More Porn? A Final Word on the Miley Cyrus Debate | Celebrity News | Celebrity Gossip — October 31, 2013
[…] think the conversation has slid backward. In Lisa Wade’s excellent comment, she draws on a 1988 article, “Bargaining With Patriarchy,” which […]
Does History Repeat Itself, But With More Porn? A Final Word on the Miley Cyrus Debate — October 31, 2013
[…] I mean, it’s kind of what I want.” I think the conversation has slid backward. In Lisa Wade’s excellent comment, she draws on a 1988 article, “Bargaining With Patriarchy,” which concluded: Women […]
Does History Repeat Itself, But With More Porn? A Final Word on the Miley Cyrus Debate | Social Page Mark — October 31, 2013
[…] think the conversation has slid backward. In Lisa Wade’s excellent comment, she draws on a 1988 article, “Bargaining With Patriarchy,” which […]
Blank Wave Feminism | Bluestockings Magazine — November 2, 2013
[…] To borrow a phrase from Lisa Wade’s excellent exposé into a similar battle of words, the recent Cyrus vs. O’Connor vs. Palmer much ado about nothing debate, “they’re both right but only half right.” […]
What Is Queer Sexual Empowerment? | my sociology — November 5, 2013
[…] (I’m late, anyhow.) But, I am intrigued by the conversations that speak more broadly about sexuality, gender, and empowerment. Yes, Miley Cyrus is just one woman in our sexist, sex-obsessed, sex-negative […]
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[…] pregnancy. These anxieties about teenage girls’ sexualities are clearly still with us today (see here and here and here). A quick look at the structure and content of such anxieties indicate that how […]
Bill R — November 8, 2013
I grew up in the 60s, a "normal healthy boy" as they'd say back then, and I have felt my whole life that women who dressed and acted in an overly sexual and provocative manner looked ridiculous. Men who did so were a complete laughing stock. Curves and bulges? Really? The level of immaturity here is astounding...
There was a time, maybe in the early 70s, when it appeared the more level-headed feminists had made a winning and lucid argument to put all that behind us and move on. It was a few years after the summer of love and everybody had grown up...or so I believed.
What the hell happened!
deborah j barnes — November 11, 2013
Or we can change the discourse entirely. Think about it-for as long as we have had a written language, patriarchal systems have held sway. This long "history"" is accompanied by myths and stories telling us "who we are" This is applied across the board; we are all full of lies. These "stories" are handed down via tradition, rules, ideology, systems etc- and it seems we are forever dealing at the level of the problem because it constantly festers. However, since i have been tracking back and using quantum physics, consciousness, ecosystems thinking, more aka via a sum knowledge lens – I see patterns. Healing culture can be as an extension of the self healing model. If this is so , we can reconcile and forgive everything. Like why blame the ignorant for not knowing? Since we all hold many false beliefs it will take a new story to help us see the past in a way that totally expands possibilities. Once we choose from a more informed version of self and culture, we will expand our choices. The new story has new archetypes and resonates around what i am calling Gaiad Theory. Basically it is about balancing the whole of psyche and -well that makes sense to me and i am hoping to find others working in similar fashion, we can break out of this entire paradigm-not with a "Wrecking Ball" but with humor, reflection, grace and a new understanding of who we really are.
The Boat Killed Amanda Palmer! (Amanda Palmer, A 38 Hajó, 2013. 11. 10) | Terminus City — November 11, 2013
[…] nyitott ész. Sex sells, írja Mrs. Gaiman, a lényeg, hogy mi, nők is profitáljunk belőle. Jó, válaszolta erre Lisa Wade feminista kolumnista, de amit Miley Cyrus csinál, annak nincs köze a valódi […]
annie — November 13, 2013
At the end of the day a man signs her pay. So that explains it all.
The paradox of GoldieBlox | Memoirs of a SLACer — November 26, 2013
[…] highlights some of the same difficulties that Lisa Wade discussed in relation to Miley Cyrus. If young girls want pink things, and the products on display in toy aisles suggest that they do, […]
Diana G. — November 29, 2013
This article was an object of plagiarism by Catalina Ruiz-Navarro, @catalinapordios (and she presents it as an utterly innovative one, for God's sake!). This is INFURIATING and I'd love Wade to start a great riot against this colombian columnist. Even though ideas, once made public, live on their own, it doesn't allow people to take advantage of them as if authors. That's not fair play. I really, really hope people to get mad about it. Plagiarism is not to be tolerated. Therefore, I encourage Wade's readers (and Wade herself!) to get serious about those reprehensible behaviours capable of harming us fair writers as a whole. I hope explanations/apologies not to work, since she is a colombian editor and she knew what she was doing accurately.
There you go:
http://www.pulzo.com/entretenimiento/la-demoledora-columna-de-opinion-de-catalina-ruiz-41941
Thank you.
Caitie — December 2, 2013
So, Muslim-Americans are having their own version of a Miley Cyrus controversy. Lisa Wade, I have quoted you heavily. I hope that's okay. http://caitieandjason.blogspot.com/
Meus dois centavos sobre o Feminismo e Miley Cyrus — December 4, 2013
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Oral Sex, Slut Shaming, the Patriarchy, and We [NSFW] | Disrupting Dinner Parties — December 19, 2013
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Does History Repeat Itself, But With More Porn? — December 23, 2013
[…] think the conversation has slid backward. In Lisa Wade’s excellent comment, she draws on a 1988 article, “Bargaining With Patriarchy,” which […]
Lee J Rickard — December 28, 2013
Time to read Isaiah Berlin, Dr. Wade.
crct — December 29, 2013
You are playing right into patriarchal hands by saying the poor girl was used as a commodity. How do you know this was not entirely of her own volition and she is that comfortable with her sexuality? I see her as a very strong, talented, smart young woman who can make her own choices. Hiding women's sexuality in order to keep up the virtuous female archetype plays right into it. Some women actually like to get laid and be freaky and hiding these things just adds to stigmatization and oppression. Things made kept to closets by taboo status end up worse than things out in the open. I look forward to the day when a woman can be as raunchy as she wants and not be demonised or even worse, thought of as not being able to think for herself and make the choice. I thought her VMA spot was fine and if people are worried about her being a role model for children, I wonder what kind of parents are letting their kids watch the VMA's known for this kind of thing. My 11 year old has no clue it ever happened but if she were exposed to it, it would not be the end of the world for her to know it is ok for woman to like sex too.
antiutopia — December 29, 2013
I think Dr. Wade misses O'Connor's point. O'Connor wasn't just concerned about Cyrus being used by the music industry for profit. O'Connor's problem was also with Cyrus's lack of self-respect. She disagrees that Cyrus's self-expression can be personally empowering at all. She believes that Cyrus is profiteering on her own lack of self respect as much as anything else, and given the visual and linguistic text of the video, I think that's a fair read. The persona of the song is self-deprecating, feels like a destructive freak (a wrecking ball), and associates that destructiveness with her sexuality. The visual text confirms this feeling -- the video is a performance of her lack of self respect. O'Connor is telling Cyrus to act like she has some self respect and she might grow some.
I don't think O'Connor is worried about artistic freedom or about restricting it. I'm surprised no one has yet made the more obvious response -- that she sounds like an Irish Catholic who feels guilty about sex. But I think she understands the emotions behind the expression and is mainly responding to that. She's telling Cyrus to try loving herself a bit more than she does. I don't think it's really about Cyrus's nudity, as I doubt O'Connor has a problem with nudity in art on principle, but it's about the REASONS for Cyrus's nudity.
Sally Jones — December 30, 2013
I don't know what Miley Cirus' spectacle has to do with feminism except she's allowed to do it - too bad we had to see it because it was pretty icky. Prostitution is often called the oldest profession and I don't know how long there have been stripping dancers, but probably a long time.
I think this argument is confusing feminism with rebelling against parental rules on public conduct.
I'm also not sure that Miley Cirus' decision to go all nasty plus embarrass herself in other racist ways might not be opportunism. It seems to me she has some sort of real problem like someone abused her in some way so she's getting off on defiling herself and maybe she's got some weird sex addiction and can't help it. I know she's rich and everything so I can't really feel too sorry for her, but still... I wonder what road she will go down. I'm sure the tv viewers and tabloid readers will all be entertained watching it.
I thought it was rather shocking that O'Connor came out with the public letter. Addressing Miley privately rather than publicly shaming her (even more than she already shamed herself) would probably have worked better. Maybe Sinead was trying to tell other young women something as a whole.
Chang — December 30, 2013
Really good article. Thank you for this balanced and well thought out perspective, which I will now be plagiarising shamelessly in all my arguments with friends.
Ben Smith — December 30, 2013
More feminist tripe. The whole world is not constructued so that a women even in free choice gets naked and sits on a wrecking ball in some giant conspiracy. Feminism is essentially a self-loathing movement for a minority of women, against the majority of women who freely chose what they want to do and have a different sense of feminity to the angry feminists. You want a 'right'? Tell us what it is as I am pretty sure you have all of them, plus free will to do what you want. Gender will always be a factor, we are different. We are animals and it will always be that way.
Ernest Stuart — December 30, 2013
whatever arguments or discussions you are having are...Miley does not give a Fuck...She would do whatever she wants. She will smoke, strip her clothes off, show off her sex antics...and become famous and earn a lot of money. She is a porno princess...and she earns that reputation already. However, she cannot understand why a lot of people criticise her...claiming she is just playing a character...but can you blame the public...she is wearing and doing the same when she is not on the stage. She is dumb not to analyse the consequences of her actions makes of what she is. Anyway she earns millions for that and this is what matters.
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Miley Cyrus – Wrecking Ball of Feminist Trailblazer? | English Studies Essays and Useful Links — September 1, 2014
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[…] Lisa. “My Two Cents on Feminism and Miley Cyrus.” The Society Pages (28 Dec 2013). http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/12/28/my-two-cents-on-feminism-and-miley-cyrus/. (12 May […]
Tomboy — November 7, 2014
But if Miley didn't package herself in a sexy manner, her female fans wouldn't like her so much.
Miley might well be making the old white men at her record company richer as Sinead says, but that money is coming primarily from young girls. Miley's female fans want her to act sexy and they would refuse to buy her products if she didn't.
Sexless popstars don't sell so well. So, if Sinead wants to criticize someone, she should critisize the females who buy Miley's music, because they are the ones pushing her to act this way if she wants to make money. Miley's young female fans would drop her in an instant if she stopped acting crazy.
Also, Miley's previous Disney sweetheart image was extremely pedo. Why didn't feminists have such a problem with that? I think Miley's new uglier image is a much more interesting improvement.
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(part II) – BARGAINING WITH THE PATRIARCH | thepoliticalnarrator — March 27, 2015
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[…] For those thinking women can simply choose to ignore societal pressures, to play by their own rules, experts say they’re underestimating how powerful and pervasive cultural messages are. As Occidental College sociology professor Lisa Wade wrote in 2013: […]
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[…] For those thinking women can simply choose to ignore societal pressures, to play by their own rules, experts say they’re underestimating how powerful and pervasive cultural messages are. As Occidental College sociology professor Lisa Wade wrote in 2013: […]
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[…] For those thinking women can simply choose to ignore societal pressures, to play by their own rules, experts say they’re underestimating how powerful and pervasive cultural messages are. As Occidental College sociology professor Lisa Wade wrote in 2013: […]
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[…] For those thinking women can simply choose to ignore societal pressures, to play by their own rules, experts say they’re underestimating how powerful and pervasive cultural messages are. As Occidental College sociology professor Lisa Wade wrote in 2013: […]
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[…] For those thinking women can simply choose to ignore societal pressures, to play by their own rules, experts say they’re underestimating how powerful and pervasive cultural messages are. As Occidental College sociology professor Lisa Wade wrote in 2013: […]
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[…] For these pondering females can merely accept as true with to ignore societal pressures, to play by their very admire rules, experts insist they’re underestimating how significant and pervasive cultural messages are. As Occidental Faculty sociology professor Lisa Wade wrote in 2013: […]
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[…] For those thinking women can simply choose to ignore societal pressures, to play by their own rules, experts say they’re underestimating how powerful and pervasive cultural messages are. As Occidental College sociology professor Lisa Wade wrote in 2013: […]
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