{"id":463,"date":"2005-11-05T18:19:00","date_gmt":"2005-11-06T00:19:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/pubcrim\/2005\/11\/05\/self-experimentation-on-the-incapacitative-effect-of-dethumbing-2\/"},"modified":"2005-11-05T18:19:00","modified_gmt":"2005-11-06T00:19:00","slug":"self-experimentation-on-the-incapacitative-effect-of-dethumbing-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/pubcrim\/2005\/11\/05\/self-experimentation-on-the-incapacitative-effect-of-dethumbing-2\/","title":{"rendered":"self-experimentation on the incapacitative effect of dethumbing"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/photos1.blogger.com\/blogger\/6608\/1089\/1600\/krylon.1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"72\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/photos1.blogger.com\/blogger\/6608\/1089\/200\/krylon.1.jpg\" width=\"79\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a>las vegas mayor <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lasvegasnevada.gov\/Government\/mayor_oscar_b_goodman.htm\">oscar goodman<\/a> proposed &#8220;thumbing&#8221; graffiti taggers in a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.msnbc.msn.com\/id\/9927522\/\">tv interview<\/a> rebroadcast yesterday. i&#8217;m familiar with all manner of corporal punishment, but &#8220;thumbing&#8221; is new to me. more precisely, he&#8217;s talking about <em>de-<\/em>thumbing &#8212; cutting off a miscreant&#8217;s thumb.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:85%\">&#8220;I&#8217;m saying maybe you put them on TV and cut off a thumb &#8230; That may be the right thing to do.&#8221; Goodman also suggested whippings and canings for wayward youth. &#8220;I also believe in a little bit of corporal punishment going back to the days of yore, where examples have to be shown &#8230; I&#8217;m dead serious,&#8221; said Goodman. &#8220;Some of these punks don&#8217;t learn. You have got to teach them a lesson.&#8221; &#8220;They would get a trial first,&#8221; he [very responsibly] added.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>ah, the <a href=\"http:\/\/web.ics.purdue.edu\/~felluga\/punish.html\">days of yore<\/a>! contemporary advocates of corporal punishment, such as death penalty proponents, generally justify them on the following grounds: (1) retribution (imposing suffering to get even with the criminal); (2) deterrence (such that the costs of crime are perceived to outweigh the benefits); and, (3) incapacitation (physically preventing the offense from recurring). inspired by seth roberts&#8217; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.stat.columbia.edu\/~gelman\/stuff_for_blog\/selfexp.pdf\">research<\/a> on <a href=\"http:\/\/repositories.cdlib.org\/cgi\/viewcontent.cgi?article=1895&amp;context=postprints\">self-experimentation<\/a>, i got curious about #3, the incapacitative effects of de-thumbing. well, not <em>that <\/em>curious &#8212; i wasn&#8217;t going to cut off my own thumbs or collect serious data as professor roberts would. instead, before coming to the office today, i stopped in the garage and played with spray paint.<\/p>\n<p>how much tagging could a tagger tag if a tagger had no thumbs? i worked in kitchens and with tradespersons such as sheet-metal workers who had lost digits, so i knew that one could retain some degree of dexterity. true, without thumbs it was initially difficult to spray the full-size <a href=\"http:\/\/www.krylon.com\/\">krylon<\/a> cans favored by taggers. but i did just fine with the l&#8217;il 6-ounce can. more impressively, i needed no thumbs at all for the tiny automotive touch-up sprayer. i soon learned to spray without using my index finger or other digits that might also attract sanctions. emboldened, i went back to the big cans and soon perfected a <em>two-hands\/no thumbs <\/em>approach (<em>ha! do your worst, goodman &#8212; i don&#8217;t even need <u>fingers<\/u> to tag<\/em>!). given my impressive tagging skills <em>sans <\/em>thumbs <em>and<\/em> my well-documented coordination deficits <em>and <\/em>my regular guy-sized hands, i can only conclude that dethumbing would have little incapacitative effect among serious graffiti artists. so, mayor goodman must justify de-thumbing as either a general deterrent or as vegas-style retributive infotainment (the mind <a href=\"http:\/\/www.roulette.cd\/\">reels<\/a> with possibilities).<\/p>\n<p>seth roberts doesn&#8217;t say much about the side-effects of his self-experiments, but i observed a big one: i began to contemplate criminal activity. it could have been the fumes or my newfound dexterity with spray cans, but i felt a distinct urge to throw down some graffiti in my hometown of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ci.shoreview.mn.us\/\">shoreview<\/a>. it would certainly be clever, i thought for a brief moment, to change the &#8220;<strong>h<\/strong>&#8221; on each &#8220;<strong>Shoreview, Population 26,991<\/strong>&#8221; sign to an &#8220;<strong>n<\/strong>.&#8221; a bit of green paint, or even removable green tape, would do the trick and only the most discerning drivers would notice. of course, i quickly got some air and came to my senses. what would my kids think if i were arrested for graffiti? my colleagues? oh my, can you imagine what my <a href=\"http:\/\/www.soc.umn.edu\/~uggen\/4111.htm\">sociology of deviance<\/a> students would say? or how much fun certain <a href=\"http:\/\/www.socsci.umn.edu\/~uggen\/advisees.htm\"><em>graduate <\/em>students<\/a> would have at my expense? who could i call to bail me out?<\/p>\n<p>nope! i would not take the risk, even if i estimated the probability of being caught at less than .001. plus, &#8220;snoreview&#8221; didn&#8217;t really seem so clever outside the garage. maybe i&#8217;ll suggest it as a name for the lad&#8217;s next band. i doubt shoreview&#8217;s fine <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ci.shoreview.mn.us\/council\/Martin.html#\">mayor<\/a> would want to cut off my thumbs on channel 14 cable access (would you, sandy?). no worries, though. i&#8217;m easily deterred by the existing informal sanctions and the moral costs of making a mess for someone else to clean up.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>las vegas mayor oscar goodman proposed &#8220;thumbing&#8221; graffiti taggers in a tv interview rebroadcast yesterday. i&#8217;m familiar with all manner of corporal punishment, but &#8220;thumbing&#8221; is new to me. more precisely, he&#8217;s talking about de-thumbing &#8212; cutting off a miscreant&#8217;s thumb. &#8220;I&#8217;m saying maybe you put them on TV and cut off a thumb &#8230; [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-463","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/pubcrim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/463","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/pubcrim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/pubcrim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/pubcrim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/pubcrim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=463"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/pubcrim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/463\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/pubcrim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=463"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/pubcrim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=463"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/pubcrim\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=463"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}