{"id":2196,"date":"2011-03-01T14:37:08","date_gmt":"2011-03-01T19:37:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/girlwpen.com\/?p=2196"},"modified":"2011-03-01T14:37:08","modified_gmt":"2011-03-01T19:37:08","slug":"porn-pleasure-or-profit-shira-tarrant-interviews-gail-dines-part-i","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/girlwpen\/2011\/03\/01\/porn-pleasure-or-profit-shira-tarrant-interviews-gail-dines-part-i\/","title":{"rendered":"Porn: Pleasure or Profit? Shira Tarrant Interviews Gail Dines, Part I"},"content":{"rendered":"

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\nThis interview originally appeared in the Ms. Magazine Blog<\/a> and is re-posted with permission.<\/p>\n

Move over dot-com, dot-org, and dot-gov. There\u2019s a new domain on the block: dot-xxx. With 370 million sites and <\/a>$3,000 spent for online porn every second<\/a>, the industry\u2019s revenues<\/a><\/em> surpass earnings by Microsoft, Google, Amazon, eBay, Yahoo, Apple and Netflix combined.<\/em><\/p>\n

This is author Gail Dines<\/a>\u2019s point: Porn is about profit, not pleasure. Some people make a buck; many more are harmed, argues Dines in her new book PORNLAND: How Porn Has Hijacked our Sexuality<\/a> (Beacon Press).<\/em><\/p>\n

Gail Dines calls herself an anti-porn feminist<\/a>, but she is quick to clarify that she\u2019s not anti-sex. Unlike Dines\u2014and in the interest of full disclosure\u2014I am not anti-porn. I oppose censorship and unproductive arguments pitting sex-positive feminists<\/a> against anti-porn activists<\/a>. This keeps rival groups in far corners of the Sex Wars boxing ring. We need <\/em>more conversation\u2014not less\u2014which means asking tough questions across ideological divides. To that end, I interviewed Gail Dines, curious about our agreements and differences on The Porn Question.<\/em><\/p>\n

Ms<\/em>.\/Shira Tarrant<\/a>:<\/strong> You wrote Pornland<\/em> for a mainstream audience. What is your primary hope for this book?<\/p>\n

Gail Dines:<\/strong> I wrote Pornland<\/em> to raise consciousness about the effects of the contemporary porn industry. Many people have outdated ideas that porn is pictures of naked women wearing coy smiles and not much else, or of people having hot sex. Today\u2019s mainstream Internet porn is brutal and cruel, with body-punishing sex acts that debase and dehumanize women.<\/p>\n

Pornland<\/em> looks at how porn messages, ideologies, and images seep into our everyday life. Whether it be Miley Cyrus in Elle<\/em><\/a> spread-eagle on a table dressed in S&M gear, or Cosmopolitan<\/em><\/a> telling readers to spice up their sex lives with porn, we are overwhelmed by a porn culture that shapes our sexual identities and ideas about gender and sexuality. Pornland<\/em> explores how porn limits our capacity for connection, intimacy and relationships.<\/p>\n

ST:<\/strong> What is it about Miley Cyrus in S&M gear that bothers you? Is it her age? Or simply that she\u2019s wearing pseudo-bondage gear?<\/p>\n

GD:<\/strong> The problem is that women in our culture have to conform to very narrow definitions of femininity and it\u2019s defined by porn. Miley Cyrus\u2019s performance is not about creativity but dictated by capitalism. She aged out of Disney and this is the carefully planned-out launch of\u00a0the new Miley Cyrus.<\/p>\n

My issue is about the market and about how pornography frames femininity. Women are either fuckable or invisible. Miley Cyrus wouldn\u2019t make any money [with an unfuckable image].<\/p>\n

ST: <\/strong>Are you opposed to consensual BDSM<\/a> sex in real life? Or do you see this as a harmful and exploitative relationship?<\/p>\n

GD:<\/strong> What people do outside corporate forces, or outside capitalism, is none of my business.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m critiquing the commodification of sex. That gets confused with the idea that I\u2019m telling people what to do in the bedroom. It\u2019s a much easier argument to make [but] it\u2019s a refusal to take seriously a radical feminist critique of the culture.<\/p>\n

ST: <\/strong>Some people working in the business argue that porn is a legitimate way to earn a living. I know you disagree, but that keeps us stuck in an us-versus-them sex war. Do you see a way to move past that stalemate?<\/p>\n

GD:<\/strong> The industry frames the work as a choice, because otherwise that would ruin porn. Choice is built into the way men enjoy porn. Men I interviewed are convinced the women in porn really choose this and enjoy their job.<\/p>\n

Increasingly, women are drawn to porn by the glamorization of the industry. Some women have made porn work for them\u2014Sasha Grey<\/a>, Jenna Jameson<\/a>. Jenna Jameson was on Oprah<\/em>, who was gushing about her. Oprah went to her house<\/a> and showed the audience Jameson\u2019s expensive cars and private art collection. This looks attractive to women with limited resources. Capitalism can only succeed if there are people around who will do the shit work. Women with law degrees are not lining up to do porn. The vast majority of women doing porn don\u2019t make it and don\u2019t get famous. They end up in low paid work as well as the brothels of Nevada.<\/p>\n

We need a world where women have real options to make a living. This is a class issue and a race issue. To talk about choice is to ignore how people are constrained by their social and economic situations.<\/p>\n

To be continued in Part II \u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

Above: pornographic film set, 2007.\u00a0Photo by Larry Knowles for The Naughty American website licensed under Creative Commons<\/a> Attribution 2.0 Generic<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

This interview originally appeared in the Ms. Magazine Blog and is re-posted with permission. Move over dot-com, dot-org, and dot-gov. There\u2019s a new domain on the block: dot-xxx. With 370 million sites and $3,000 spent for online porn every second, the industry\u2019s revenues surpass earnings by Microsoft, Google, Amazon, eBay, Yahoo, Apple and Netflix combined. […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1906,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[5007,1047,21789,176],"class_list":["post-2196","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-pop-culture","tag-pornography","tag-sexual-freedom","tag-sexuality"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/girlwpen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2196","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/girlwpen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/girlwpen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/girlwpen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1906"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/girlwpen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2196"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/girlwpen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2196\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/girlwpen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2196"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/girlwpen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2196"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thesocietypages.org\/girlwpen\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2196"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}