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	<title>Comments on: Hey, You Can&#8217;t Watch That Here!  Web 2.0, IP, &amp; Why Can&#8217;t I Watch the Trailer Park Boys</title>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any site that puts restrictive enough limitations on the potential for their viewers to see their show will face piracy issues and declining revenues. The tolerance for advertisement on the web, but hulu does a good job, at least in the eyes of a viewer, myself. With the competing interest making money these companies are going back to the old schools of thought by issuing licensing restrictions. How can they be more creative in making money? I don&#039;t know, I&#039;m no marketing/ad genius, but it seems to me they need to weight the cost of not providing service to certain locations with the possibility that those people are getting their product anyway, through illegal means. I bet a lot of those people would be willing to pay $1 on Itunes to see their fav. show with no ads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any site that puts restrictive enough limitations on the potential for their viewers to see their show will face piracy issues and declining revenues. The tolerance for advertisement on the web, but hulu does a good job, at least in the eyes of a viewer, myself. With the competing interest making money these companies are going back to the old schools of thought by issuing licensing restrictions. How can they be more creative in making money? I don&#8217;t know, I&#8217;m no marketing/ad genius, but it seems to me they need to weight the cost of not providing service to certain locations with the possibility that those people are getting their product anyway, through illegal means. I bet a lot of those people would be willing to pay $1 on Itunes to see their fav. show with no ads.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth M. Kambara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth M. Kambara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 07:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcel,
Thanks for stopping by.  Yeah, I was in T-dot &amp; was able to watch all of season 3 of The Venture Brothers through undisclosed means.  I&#039;m envious of your TBP collection &amp; very interested in that content for...purely academic purposes.

Ellemac clued me in to &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/home-accueil.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cancon&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; a while back.  I&#039;m reminded of a quote of Lorne Michaels in &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=ySMXLky50NkC&amp;dq=live+from+new+york&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=bn&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=SU3cScnUH5a-M-TJudYN&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Live from New York&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, where he {as a Canadian} pitched the SNL idea to CBC in the 70s only to be told that if he thought he was such hot shit, why isn&#039;t he pitching it in the US.

I wish there was more good Can Con being produced.  Québec can do it with francophone programming on a small budget and for relatively small audiences, but the viewers actually support it.  I tried to like &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.showcase.ca/ontv/titledetails.aspx?Root_Title_Id=117144&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Billable Hours&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, but it was uneven at best.  Same for &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbc.ca/littlemosque/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Little Mosque on the Prairie&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.  Rick Mercer and &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kennyvsspenny.tv/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kenny vs. Spenny&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; show that it&#039;s possible, but I guess it&#039;s hard to compete with US programming filling the programming grids.  

Plus, can the whole Anne of ___ just be given a rest.  I half expect a sci-fi production of Anne of &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0213327/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andromeda&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; to pop up.

Leafs.  Ha!  &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/Miss604&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Miss606&lt;/a&gt; tweets Canucks games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcel,<br />
Thanks for stopping by.  Yeah, I was in T-dot &amp; was able to watch all of season 3 of The Venture Brothers through undisclosed means.  I&#8217;m envious of your TBP collection &amp; very interested in that content for&#8230;purely academic purposes.</p>
<p>Ellemac clued me in to <b><a href="http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/home-accueil.htm" rel="nofollow">cancon</a></b> a while back.  I&#8217;m reminded of a quote of Lorne Michaels in <b><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ySMXLky50NkC&amp;dq=live+from+new+york&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=bn&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=SU3cScnUH5a-M-TJudYN&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=5" rel="nofollow">Live from New York</a></b>, where he {as a Canadian} pitched the SNL idea to CBC in the 70s only to be told that if he thought he was such hot shit, why isn&#8217;t he pitching it in the US.</p>
<p>I wish there was more good Can Con being produced.  Québec can do it with francophone programming on a small budget and for relatively small audiences, but the viewers actually support it.  I tried to like <b><a href="http://www.showcase.ca/ontv/titledetails.aspx?Root_Title_Id=117144" rel="nofollow">Billable Hours</a></b>, but it was uneven at best.  Same for <b><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/littlemosque/" rel="nofollow">Little Mosque on the Prairie</a></b>.  Rick Mercer and <b><a href="http://www.kennyvsspenny.tv/" rel="nofollow">Kenny vs. Spenny</a></b> show that it&#8217;s possible, but I guess it&#8217;s hard to compete with US programming filling the programming grids.  </p>
<p>Plus, can the whole Anne of ___ just be given a rest.  I half expect a sci-fi production of Anne of <b><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0213327/" rel="nofollow">Andromeda</a></b> to pop up.</p>
<p>Leafs.  Ha!  <b><a href="http://twitter.com/Miss604" rel="nofollow">@Miss606</a> tweets Canucks games.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Marcel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really should have checked what I typed in there.  The &quot;he&quot;, as I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve since surmised, is a friend of my girlfriend&#039;s, who added some shows onto her MacBook.  

PS. Leafs suck.  They aren&#039;t even grammatically correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really should have checked what I typed in there.  The &#8220;he&#8221;, as I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve since surmised, is a friend of my girlfriend&#8217;s, who added some shows onto her MacBook.  </p>
<p>PS. Leafs suck.  They aren&#8217;t even grammatically correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically, though I do tend to prefer watching TV shows the old fashioned way, I did manage to finish off the last 4 seasons of Trailer Park Boys on my girlfriend&#039;s Mac.  I&#039;m not sure what site he used to download the entire series, but when she got her new Mac Book, lo and behold, there were all 7 seasons of this great show.  

There&#039;s been quite a bit of kerfuffle up here in Canada about ensuring a certain amount of CanCon content on the internet, though I think the CRTC is fucking loopy to think they can actually manage to get this to work.  A lot of, though, has been driven by Canadian Film/TV industry folks, including Colin Mochrie.  I have to admit, I haven&#039;t really been following it too closely, so I&#039;m not sure exactly what it is they are trying to do.  

I can find out what site my friend got the TBP from and let you know.  Then it will be a shit-typhoon of TBP for you, my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, though I do tend to prefer watching TV shows the old fashioned way, I did manage to finish off the last 4 seasons of Trailer Park Boys on my girlfriend&#8217;s Mac.  I&#8217;m not sure what site he used to download the entire series, but when she got her new Mac Book, lo and behold, there were all 7 seasons of this great show.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s been quite a bit of kerfuffle up here in Canada about ensuring a certain amount of CanCon content on the internet, though I think the CRTC is fucking loopy to think they can actually manage to get this to work.  A lot of, though, has been driven by Canadian Film/TV industry folks, including Colin Mochrie.  I have to admit, I haven&#8217;t really been following it too closely, so I&#8217;m not sure exactly what it is they are trying to do.  </p>
<p>I can find out what site my friend got the TBP from and let you know.  Then it will be a shit-typhoon of TBP for you, my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth M. Kambara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth M. Kambara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll look into the HTML issues in the comments.  Don&#039;t EVEN get me started on &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curling_terminology&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;curling terms&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, let alone what I did for my &quot;grade 8 proh-ject.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll look into the HTML issues in the comments.  Don&#8217;t EVEN get me started on <b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curling_terminology" rel="nofollow">curling terms</a></b>, let alone what I did for my &#8220;grade 8 proh-ject.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ellemac</title>
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		<dc:creator>ellemac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, shoot, it didn&#039;t work for me either! That code works fine up here in Canada! Maybe it&#039;s a matter of IP rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, shoot, it didn&#8217;t work for me either! That code works fine up here in Canada! Maybe it&#8217;s a matter of IP rights.</p>
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		<title>By: ellemac</title>
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		<dc:creator>ellemac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the links. I see you ignored my advice on coding them to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3schools.com/HTML/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_link_target&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;open in a new window&lt;/a&gt;. Sigh. Well, at least you are starting to self-correct on the hockey terms vs. sex terms business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the links. I see you ignored my advice on coding them to <a href="http://www.w3schools.com/HTML/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_link_target" rel="nofollow">open in a new window</a>. Sigh. Well, at least you are starting to self-correct on the hockey terms vs. sex terms business.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth M. Kambara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth M. Kambara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 08:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/castelmar/82819460/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Leafs&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.  Or is it &lt;a href=&quot;http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/82819418_4de55e4648.jpg?v=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Habs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go <b><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/castelmar/82819460/" rel="nofollow">Leafs</a></b>.  Or is it <a href="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/82819418_4de55e4648.jpg?v=0" rel="nofollow">Habs</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth M. Kambara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth M. Kambara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 07:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, first off, I need to clarify that &quot;mark&quot; means &quot;grade&quot; north of 49ºN.

Hmmmm.  Well, I see watching TV online to be akin to time-shifting and premium content technologies like PVRs, VoD, and PPV merged with the functionality of the web.  I can&#039;t help but think of &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thesocietypages.org/thickculture/2009/03/28/web-print-the-singularity-of-media/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;media convergence&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; and one area of value-creation can be the integration of cable/satellite and the web.  The interfaces of the TV realm are horrible with scrolling grids, TiVo notwithstanding.

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slingbox&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Slingbox&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; allows users to use the web to watch content from their home (converter boxes), but that&#039;s not the same as what you&#039;re saying.  The content providers (NHL) are the ones who need to get on the ball regarding subscriptions or web PPV.  One of the obstacles, as I see it, is global digital content management &amp; I think someone needs to come up with a solution that lowers costs for offering web content.  I&#039;m firmly a believer in making the content available for purchase as easy as possible.  LOWER the price and make it available ASAP.  It&#039;s already digital.

Leafs fan, EH?  Well, here&#039;s a reacha...what is it?  Oh, a &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElSa6wQKtZo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wraparound&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, first off, I need to clarify that &#8220;mark&#8221; means &#8220;grade&#8221; north of 49ºN.</p>
<p>Hmmmm.  Well, I see watching TV online to be akin to time-shifting and premium content technologies like PVRs, VoD, and PPV merged with the functionality of the web.  I can&#8217;t help but think of <b><a href="http://thesocietypages.org/thickculture/2009/03/28/web-print-the-singularity-of-media/" rel="nofollow">media convergence</a></b> and one area of value-creation can be the integration of cable/satellite and the web.  The interfaces of the TV realm are horrible with scrolling grids, TiVo notwithstanding.</p>
<p><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slingbox" rel="nofollow">Slingbox</a></b> allows users to use the web to watch content from their home (converter boxes), but that&#8217;s not the same as what you&#8217;re saying.  The content providers (NHL) are the ones who need to get on the ball regarding subscriptions or web PPV.  One of the obstacles, as I see it, is global digital content management &amp; I think someone needs to come up with a solution that lowers costs for offering web content.  I&#8217;m firmly a believer in making the content available for purchase as easy as possible.  LOWER the price and make it available ASAP.  It&#8217;s already digital.</p>
<p>Leafs fan, EH?  Well, here&#8217;s a reacha&#8230;what is it?  Oh, a <b><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElSa6wQKtZo" rel="nofollow">wraparound</a></b>.</p>
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		<title>By: ellemac</title>
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		<dc:creator>ellemac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as far as question one is concerned (I feel like one of your students, compelled to address the questions posed if I want to maximize my participation mark), I don&#039;t watch TV online; I watch TV clips. Maybe some day I will watch it online. I think I am old school transitioning. Plus, my old computer would throw &lt;i&gt;itself &lt;/i&gt;out the window if I&#039;d ever tried watching a full episode of anything online. I haven&#039;t quite adjusted to the notion that my MacBook is fully confident in its ability to transmit full episodes of anything.

I like the idea of being able to watch TV on the web, though. Ironically, though, it seems like this feature would be most useful for constituents who were out of range (i.e. in another country or a different cable market) from their typical method of watching their favourite shows. God, if I were in Sweden and I couldn&#039;t watch the Stanley Cup final, it might actually be the only time I gave a shit about not being able to watch it. What if the Leafs finally made it back to the Cup? And I was already far from home, missing Tim Hortons and Mother Corp (that&#039;s the CBC to non-Canadians) and the Queen on the money?? It would be utter heartbreak.

How about CBC and others charging a subscription fee for HNIC internationally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as far as question one is concerned (I feel like one of your students, compelled to address the questions posed if I want to maximize my participation mark), I don&#8217;t watch TV online; I watch TV clips. Maybe some day I will watch it online. I think I am old school transitioning. Plus, my old computer would throw <i>itself </i>out the window if I&#8217;d ever tried watching a full episode of anything online. I haven&#8217;t quite adjusted to the notion that my MacBook is fully confident in its ability to transmit full episodes of anything.</p>
<p>I like the idea of being able to watch TV on the web, though. Ironically, though, it seems like this feature would be most useful for constituents who were out of range (i.e. in another country or a different cable market) from their typical method of watching their favourite shows. God, if I were in Sweden and I couldn&#8217;t watch the Stanley Cup final, it might actually be the only time I gave a shit about not being able to watch it. What if the Leafs finally made it back to the Cup? And I was already far from home, missing Tim Hortons and Mother Corp (that&#8217;s the CBC to non-Canadians) and the Queen on the money?? It would be utter heartbreak.</p>
<p>How about CBC and others charging a subscription fee for HNIC internationally?</p>
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