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	<title>Comments on: Vote Locally; Cooperate Globally</title>
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		<title>By: jose</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/thickculture/2008/10/12/prosper-and-cooperate/comment-page-1/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be an interesting approach to apportion foreign aid based on whether nations are taking strides to improve human development outcomes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be an interesting approach to apportion foreign aid based on whether nations are taking strides to improve human development outcomes.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth M. Kambara</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/thickculture/2008/10/12/prosper-and-cooperate/comment-page-1/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth M. Kambara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feel free to call me Ken.  Yes, that&#039;s the rub, but these things will follow trajectories of power and wealth, further complicating matters.  If one takes &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_of_Algiers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Battle of Algiers&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4008498016489872474&amp;ei=nOzySILUK5zYqAPglZCnBw&amp;q=battle+algiers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;video link&lt;/a&gt;) and its lesson that revolution can come from decentralized cells embedded in the middle-class and linked to fundamentalist Islam, and extrapolate to the current situation of the concerns of the same in the oil-rich Persian Gulf, we can draw some inferences on how to address the issue.

José&#039;s cite of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_obama_doctrine&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Obama Doctrine&lt;/a&gt; provided some interesting food for thought.  I think the idea of moving away from any rigid orthodox definitions of democracy will have to be at least considered, given history and culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feel free to call me Ken.  Yes, that&#8217;s the rub, but these things will follow trajectories of power and wealth, further complicating matters.  If one takes <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_of_Algiers" rel="nofollow">The Battle of Algiers</a> (<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4008498016489872474&amp;ei=nOzySILUK5zYqAPglZCnBw&amp;q=battle+algiers" rel="nofollow">video link</a>) and its lesson that revolution can come from decentralized cells embedded in the middle-class and linked to fundamentalist Islam, and extrapolate to the current situation of the concerns of the same in the oil-rich Persian Gulf, we can draw some inferences on how to address the issue.</p>
<p>José&#8217;s cite of <a href="http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_obama_doctrine" rel="nofollow">The Obama Doctrine</a> provided some interesting food for thought.  I think the idea of moving away from any rigid orthodox definitions of democracy will have to be at least considered, given history and culture.</p>
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		<title>By: jose</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/thickculture/2008/10/12/prosper-and-cooperate/comment-page-1/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given this discussion, you all should check out Spencer Ackerman&#039;s article in the March 2008 American Prospect entitled &quot;The Obama Doctrine.&quot;  He speculates on how an Obama administration might be different than the current regime and touches on the idea of &quot;dignity promotion&quot; as the key idea driving American engagement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given this discussion, you all should check out Spencer Ackerman&#8217;s article in the March 2008 American Prospect entitled &#8220;The Obama Doctrine.&#8221;  He speculates on how an Obama administration might be different than the current regime and touches on the idea of &#8220;dignity promotion&#8221; as the key idea driving American engagement.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Pfeiffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Pfeiffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t aware of that, Dr. Kambara. In addition, what happens if a foreign Jeffersonian democracy produces a Muslim Brotherhood theocracy? In other words, what happens when US-backed institutions produce policies and legal norms unfriendly to the US?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware of that, Dr. Kambara. In addition, what happens if a foreign Jeffersonian democracy produces a Muslim Brotherhood theocracy? In other words, what happens when US-backed institutions produce policies and legal norms unfriendly to the US?</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth M. Kambara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth M. Kambara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking about civic engagement since 2000 or so, when I was working on projects dealing with increasing health &amp; welfare in rural communities.  The foundations were struggling to figure all of this out.  Build leadership?  Fund collaboration of NFPs and NGOs?

I think there is something to increasing welfare and stability.  I had the good fortune to talk to a retired Canadian Forces general who returned from Afghanistan as a military consultant.  A major short-term objective for Canadian Forces is to stabilize areas to allow for humanitarian aid.

I think that Soderberg and Katulis&#039; thesis is a compelling one.  I think of how transfer payments to Cuba by the USSR allowed an infrastructure to be maintained that fostered stability.  There&#039;s also the timeframe, since prosperity is subject to causal ambiguity.

I would imagine that enhancing prosperity can be used in concert with efforts to build civic engagement.  The question is whether or not US policy can allow systems to evolve that aren&#039;t entirely democratic.  I say this since I feel that civic engagement needs to follow the extant socialcultural milieu.  In Iraq, I wonder how to create a post-Saddam polity that would have sociocultural legitimacy.  Inserting Western-style democracy in countries with no history of this seems like a recipe for disaster.  I recall this said of a Middle East expert at the Sorbonne:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The war to democratize Iraq was the most valuable gift the American administration has ever given the dictator regimes in the Arab world. It is a practical example of what democracy means as seen by the Americans. Arab nations see the war in Iraq as an exercise to secure oil supplies from the region and to destroy an Arab country for the best interests of Israel.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m sure these local perceptions would seem to be coming out of left field for many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about civic engagement since 2000 or so, when I was working on projects dealing with increasing health &amp; welfare in rural communities.  The foundations were struggling to figure all of this out.  Build leadership?  Fund collaboration of NFPs and NGOs?</p>
<p>I think there is something to increasing welfare and stability.  I had the good fortune to talk to a retired Canadian Forces general who returned from Afghanistan as a military consultant.  A major short-term objective for Canadian Forces is to stabilize areas to allow for humanitarian aid.</p>
<p>I think that Soderberg and Katulis&#8217; thesis is a compelling one.  I think of how transfer payments to Cuba by the USSR allowed an infrastructure to be maintained that fostered stability.  There&#8217;s also the timeframe, since prosperity is subject to causal ambiguity.</p>
<p>I would imagine that enhancing prosperity can be used in concert with efforts to build civic engagement.  The question is whether or not US policy can allow systems to evolve that aren&#8217;t entirely democratic.  I say this since I feel that civic engagement needs to follow the extant socialcultural milieu.  In Iraq, I wonder how to create a post-Saddam polity that would have sociocultural legitimacy.  Inserting Western-style democracy in countries with no history of this seems like a recipe for disaster.  I recall this said of a Middle East expert at the Sorbonne:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The war to democratize Iraq was the most valuable gift the American administration has ever given the dictator regimes in the Arab world. It is a practical example of what democracy means as seen by the Americans. Arab nations see the war in Iraq as an exercise to secure oil supplies from the region and to destroy an Arab country for the best interests of Israel.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sure these local perceptions would seem to be coming out of left field for many.</p>
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		<title>By: Vote locally; participate globally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vote locally; participate globally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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