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	<title>Comments on: $291,978 Spent in Philadelphia to Make Poverty Pretty</title>
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		<title>By: oofstar</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2014 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pretty sure buildings rarely abut railroad tracks in wealthier neighborhoods.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure buildings rarely abut railroad tracks in wealthier neighborhoods.</p>
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		<title>By: Punchdrunk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Punchdrunk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure that if you change the facts, it wouldn&#039;t be the same.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure that if you change the facts, it wouldn&#8217;t be the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About the area abutting railroad tracks? Doubtful. Rather, in a wealthier area, property values would be high enough that most buildings would be owned and occupied, so the buildings&#039; owners (rather than the &quot;community&quot;) would have to be consulted.


Still, that wasn&#039;t my question. If the exact same project with the same budget and the same artist were installed in a wealthier area, would you still consider it &quot;tone deaf and oblivious&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the area abutting railroad tracks? Doubtful. Rather, in a wealthier area, property values would be high enough that most buildings would be owned and occupied, so the buildings&#8217; owners (rather than the &#8220;community&#8221;) would have to be consulted.</p>
<p>Still, that wasn&#8217;t my question. If the exact same project with the same budget and the same artist were installed in a wealthier area, would you still consider it &#8220;tone deaf and oblivious&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Punchdrunk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Punchdrunk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a wealthier neighborhood, the community would have been consulted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a wealthier neighborhood, the community would have been consulted.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2014/06/11/291978-spent-in-philadelphia-to-make-poverty-pretty/comment-page-1/#comment-590856</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 18:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The term &quot;commodification&quot; is generally only applicable when a product is being sold, which is certainly not the case here. 

The city that both I and this artist I live in also has an unusually high number of derelict buildings, mostly as a result of its bizarre history. While not all of them are in poor neighborhoods, every single one of them has become a canvas for urban artists over the years, from ambitious muralists to teenage taggers. Many of them have been repurposed as locations for photo and film shoots, the products of which are quite often literal commodities. While some of those living adjacent to such places regard them as blights, I see nothing indicating that they are being exploited, or &quot;served up for consumption,&quot; by the artists who have taken advantage of the abandoned spaces.

In fact, I&#039;d wager a guess that if this installation were the work of an anonymous extralegal street artist like Banksy, rather than an institutionally-funded European, it would be broadly celebrated here for its bold, transformative beauty (or whatever hyperbole you want to insert there). But by juxtaposing its existence with entirely unrelated issues surrounding poverty, the bloggers have manufactured an outrage that has little connection to reality.

And to define the entire all the people of a neighborhood solely by the persistence of poverty there is far more patronizing than the artwork in question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8220;commodification&#8221; is generally only applicable when a product is being sold, which is certainly not the case here. </p>
<p>The city that both I and this artist I live in also has an unusually high number of derelict buildings, mostly as a result of its bizarre history. While not all of them are in poor neighborhoods, every single one of them has become a canvas for urban artists over the years, from ambitious muralists to teenage taggers. Many of them have been repurposed as locations for photo and film shoots, the products of which are quite often literal commodities. While some of those living adjacent to such places regard them as blights, I see nothing indicating that they are being exploited, or &#8220;served up for consumption,&#8221; by the artists who have taken advantage of the abandoned spaces.</p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;d wager a guess that if this installation were the work of an anonymous extralegal street artist like Banksy, rather than an institutionally-funded European, it would be broadly celebrated here for its bold, transformative beauty (or whatever hyperbole you want to insert there). But by juxtaposing its existence with entirely unrelated issues surrounding poverty, the bloggers have manufactured an outrage that has little connection to reality.</p>
<p>And to define the entire all the people of a neighborhood solely by the persistence of poverty there is far more patronizing than the artwork in question.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2014/06/11/291978-spent-in-philadelphia-to-make-poverty-pretty/comment-page-1/#comment-590853</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would you still see it that way if the installation were painted in a wealthier neighborhood?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you still see it that way if the installation were painted in a wealthier neighborhood?</p>
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		<title>By: Punchdrunk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Punchdrunk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see it as a &#039;net loss&#039;, just tone deaf and oblivious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see it as a &#8216;net loss&#8217;, just tone deaf and oblivious.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2014/06/11/291978-spent-in-philadelphia-to-make-poverty-pretty/comment-page-1/#comment-590849</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What exactly is highbrow and elitist about the installation? I mean, unlike all the work that gets sold to wealthy collectors or featured in museums with high entry prices, this installation is open and free to be enjoyed by anyone passing through on the trains, bicycles, or footpaths. It&#039;s about as non-elitist as the art world ever gets.


The fact that it doesn&#039;t provide a tangible benefit to the people of the neighborhood does not mean that it is a net loss to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What exactly is highbrow and elitist about the installation? I mean, unlike all the work that gets sold to wealthy collectors or featured in museums with high entry prices, this installation is open and free to be enjoyed by anyone passing through on the trains, bicycles, or footpaths. It&#8217;s about as non-elitist as the art world ever gets.</p>
<p>The fact that it doesn&#8217;t provide a tangible benefit to the people of the neighborhood does not mean that it is a net loss to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Punchdrunk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Punchdrunk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t make any insinuation about the status of the artist.
This isn&#039;t a museum or opera house. These are places where people live and work. There&#039;s room for all kinds of art in the world, and I think a high brow, elitist approach to this particular project was inappropriate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t make any insinuation about the status of the artist.<br />
This isn&#8217;t a museum or opera house. These are places where people live and work. There&#8217;s room for all kinds of art in the world, and I think a high brow, elitist approach to this particular project was inappropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Yrro Simyarin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yrro Simyarin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t just take a snapshot of society and say &quot;if we give everyone $30k a year, they won&#039;t be poor any more.&quot; I don&#039;t even mean to say that would be a bad idea - I&#039;m a huge proponent of a negative income tax. My point is that you&#039;re dealing with a moving target, and economics and sociology are actually kind of horrible at predicting what the mass social effects of that sort of a problem would be. Even the most successful societies who have implemented anti-poverty measures are only a generation or two in, and they&#039;re starting to see transformational effects because of it.



Saying it&#039;s a solved problem in sociology and economics... I&#039;m just not seeing the evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t just take a snapshot of society and say &#8220;if we give everyone $30k a year, they won&#8217;t be poor any more.&#8221; I don&#8217;t even mean to say that would be a bad idea &#8211; I&#8217;m a huge proponent of a negative income tax. My point is that you&#8217;re dealing with a moving target, and economics and sociology are actually kind of horrible at predicting what the mass social effects of that sort of a problem would be. Even the most successful societies who have implemented anti-poverty measures are only a generation or two in, and they&#8217;re starting to see transformational effects because of it.</p>
<p>Saying it&#8217;s a solved problem in sociology and economics&#8230; I&#8217;m just not seeing the evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2014/06/11/291978-spent-in-philadelphia-to-make-poverty-pretty/comment-page-1/#comment-590845</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While the press release doesn&#039;t make the project&#039;s origin completely explicit, there&#039;s no indication that the curator was just looking for someone to paint a bunch of buildings and trees and declined bids from locals to instead &quot;hire&quot; some random German for the job. It&#039;s much likelier that the installation was conceived by the artist herself, especially considering how much it resonates with the bulk of her earlier work. And indeed, Grosse is not just &quot;a German&quot;; she&#039;s also a fairly well-known artist of international stature, with several US-based installations under her belt.


I guess you could make the populist argument that publicly funded art institutions should prioritize acquiring the work of locals, rather than that of foreigners. But how is it any less &quot;out of touch&quot; for Philadelphia&#039;s Museum of Art to feature works from 102 countries, taking up valuable wall space that could have been used to elevate struggling Pennsylvania artists? Should Opera Philadelphia forgo its Verdi and Mozart to feature more local composers? 


The prevailing view is that cultural capital - while impossible to quantify - adds value to a city, and that art is intrinsically cosmopolitan, rather than bound to whatever populism and localism dictate at the moment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the press release doesn&#8217;t make the project&#8217;s origin completely explicit, there&#8217;s no indication that the curator was just looking for someone to paint a bunch of buildings and trees and declined bids from locals to instead &#8220;hire&#8221; some random German for the job. It&#8217;s much likelier that the installation was conceived by the artist herself, especially considering how much it resonates with the bulk of her earlier work. And indeed, Grosse is not just &#8220;a German&#8221;; she&#8217;s also a fairly well-known artist of international stature, with several US-based installations under her belt.</p>
<p>I guess you could make the populist argument that publicly funded art institutions should prioritize acquiring the work of locals, rather than that of foreigners. But how is it any less &#8220;out of touch&#8221; for Philadelphia&#8217;s Museum of Art to feature works from 102 countries, taking up valuable wall space that could have been used to elevate struggling Pennsylvania artists? Should Opera Philadelphia forgo its Verdi and Mozart to feature more local composers? </p>
<p>The prevailing view is that cultural capital &#8211; while impossible to quantify &#8211; adds value to a city, and that art is intrinsically cosmopolitan, rather than bound to whatever populism and localism dictate at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Punchdrunk</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2014/06/11/291978-spent-in-philadelphia-to-make-poverty-pretty/comment-page-1/#comment-590837</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Punchdrunk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 06:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they had hired local artists, they would have also pumped some money into the community. It could have been a positive thing.
Hiring a German artist just seems like an extra insult to the people living in north Philadelphia. So unbelievably out of touch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they had hired local artists, they would have also pumped some money into the community. It could have been a positive thing.<br />
Hiring a German artist just seems like an extra insult to the people living in north Philadelphia. So unbelievably out of touch.</p>
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		<title>By: global local</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[global local]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that it is not so much about hiding poverty, as commodifying it.  The project description says: &quot;The ever-evolving city is the canvas and your window is the frame.&quot; The experience of the commuter is enhanced by the literal painting over the landscape. Inequality and poverty served up for consumption.  Not unrelated to the role of artists in gentrification. 
http://boundariesandborders.tumblr.com/post/88399570479/artists-working-to-make-poverty-a-spectacle-to-consume]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it is not so much about hiding poverty, as commodifying it.  The project description says: &#8220;The ever-evolving city is the canvas and your window is the frame.&#8221; The experience of the commuter is enhanced by the literal painting over the landscape. Inequality and poverty served up for consumption.  Not unrelated to the role of artists in gentrification.<br />
<a href="http://boundariesandborders.tumblr.com/post/88399570479/artists-working-to-make-poverty-a-spectacle-to-consume" rel="nofollow">http://boundariesandborders.tumblr.com/post/88399570479/artists-working-to-make-poverty-a-spectacle-to-consume</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wicked Solution</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wicked Solution]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not a bold claim at all. We&#039;ve had the know-how since the 70s at least, and the money needed to eradicate poverty in the U.S. is estimated to be about $175 billion (or 1% of our 2012 GDP).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a bold claim at all. We&#8217;ve had the know-how since the 70s at least, and the money needed to eradicate poverty in the U.S. is estimated to be about $175 billion (or 1% of our 2012 GDP).</p>
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		<title>By: The_L1985</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The_L1985]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do wish there were more murals in poor urban areas.  Ft. Lauderdale has embraced the mural, for shops and churches at least, so that low-income areas and the A1A are covered with beautiful artwork.

It seems to me that life would feel slightly less bleak with pleasant things to look at everyday.  It should take a backseat to actually improving people&#039;s lives (food, healthcare, housing ALL need to be made more affordable, preferably by raising the minimum wage), but it certainly helps from an emotional perspective.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do wish there were more murals in poor urban areas.  Ft. Lauderdale has embraced the mural, for shops and churches at least, so that low-income areas and the A1A are covered with beautiful artwork.</p>
<p>It seems to me that life would feel slightly less bleak with pleasant things to look at everyday.  It should take a backseat to actually improving people&#8217;s lives (food, healthcare, housing ALL need to be made more affordable, preferably by raising the minimum wage), but it certainly helps from an emotional perspective.</p>
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