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	<title>Comments on: Saturday Stat: The U.S. is a &#8220;Low Tax Country&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: lottopol</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2014/04/19/sat-stat-the-u-s-is-a-low-tax-country/comment-page-1/#comment-589491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lottopol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2014 03:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rational corporations set their wages and prices at level which they believe will maximize pre-tax profits. If taxes are a percentage of pre-tax profits, then the levels of wages and prices which maximizes  pre-tax profits also maximizes after-tax profits.

For example if a corporation was selling something at $2 when corporate taxes were 20%, they will not raise prices if corporate taxes were 40%. If that were not the case, they would have raised prices earlier and increased their profits. Corporations set prices where marginal revenue equals margin costs. Corporate income taxes which area percentage of pretax profits do not impact marginal costs.

Raising Corporate income taxes whose incidence falls
entirely on the owners of corporations, would have absolutely no effect on wages, employment or prices since every corporate decision regarding on wages, employment or prices that maximizes pretax income also maximizes after-tax if corporate taxes are a percentage of pretax income.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rational corporations set their wages and prices at level which they believe will maximize pre-tax profits. If taxes are a percentage of pre-tax profits, then the levels of wages and prices which maximizes  pre-tax profits also maximizes after-tax profits.</p>
<p>For example if a corporation was selling something at $2 when corporate taxes were 20%, they will not raise prices if corporate taxes were 40%. If that were not the case, they would have raised prices earlier and increased their profits. Corporations set prices where marginal revenue equals margin costs. Corporate income taxes which area percentage of pretax profits do not impact marginal costs.</p>
<p>Raising Corporate income taxes whose incidence falls<br />
entirely on the owners of corporations, would have absolutely no effect on wages, employment or prices since every corporate decision regarding on wages, employment or prices that maximizes pretax income also maximizes after-tax if corporate taxes are a percentage of pretax income.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill R</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2014/04/19/sat-stat-the-u-s-is-a-low-tax-country/comment-page-1/#comment-589482</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2014 00:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Corporate income tax receipts, whose incidence falls entirely on the owners of corporations...&quot;


Not so fast: 


The consumer takes the hit in most cases too, in the form of higher prices since tax is an expense like anything else and it needs to be recouped to sustain the corporation. Also, if the corporation competes internationally any relative disadvantage that taxes place on it weighs against its viability, which directly involves employees&#039; future prospects of employment. Its fair to say that all of the constituents of a corporation are potentially affected by its taxes, not just the shareholders.


Like many things in life, this is complicated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Corporate income tax receipts, whose incidence falls entirely on the owners of corporations&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Not so fast: </p>
<p>The consumer takes the hit in most cases too, in the form of higher prices since tax is an expense like anything else and it needs to be recouped to sustain the corporation. Also, if the corporation competes internationally any relative disadvantage that taxes place on it weighs against its viability, which directly involves employees&#8217; future prospects of employment. Its fair to say that all of the constituents of a corporation are potentially affected by its taxes, not just the shareholders.</p>
<p>Like many things in life, this is complicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill R</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2014 22:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I consider the portion of your post before the dashes as the actual question I respond no. Two reasons: First, if there were no other obvious covariates with education and mortality then tax-receipt-per-capita would seem to be a better measure. Second, the world is full of other obvious covariates. I doubt just running a correlation between taxes as a percent of GDP and measures of education, mortality, etc. would prove much, and whatever correlation you could find might serve predictive purposes for awhile but do little to &quot;explain&quot;. 

Throwing out leaders like the original thread might excite and provoke, but does little to educate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I consider the portion of your post before the dashes as the actual question I respond no. Two reasons: First, if there were no other obvious covariates with education and mortality then tax-receipt-per-capita would seem to be a better measure. Second, the world is full of other obvious covariates. I doubt just running a correlation between taxes as a percent of GDP and measures of education, mortality, etc. would prove much, and whatever correlation you could find might serve predictive purposes for awhile but do little to &#8220;explain&#8221;. </p>
<p>Throwing out leaders like the original thread might excite and provoke, but does little to educate.</p>
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		<title>By: lottopol</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lottopol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2014 15:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;..It is not just a coincidence that tax cuts for the rich have preceded both the 1929 and 2007 depressions. The Revenue acts of 1926 and 1928 worked exactly as the Republican Congresses that pushed them through promised.The dramatic reductions in taxes on the upper income brackets and estates of the wealthy did indeed result in increases in savings and investment. However, overinvestment (by 1929 there were over 600 automobile manufacturing companies in the USA) caused the depression that made the rich, and most everyone else, ultimately much poorer. 

 

Since 1969 there has been a tremendous shift in the tax burdens away from the rich on onto the middle class. Corporate income tax receipts, whose incidence falls entirely on the owners of corporations, were 4% of GDP then and are now less than 1%. During that same period, payroll tax rates as percent of GDP have increased dramatically. The overinvestment problem
caused by the reduction in taxes on the wealthy is exacerbated by the increased tax burden on the middle class. While overinvestment creates more factories, housing and shopping centers; higher payroll taxes reduces the purchasing power of middle-class consumers. ...&quot;
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1543642]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..It is not just a coincidence that tax cuts for the rich have preceded both the 1929 and 2007 depressions. The Revenue acts of 1926 and 1928 worked exactly as the Republican Congresses that pushed them through promised.The dramatic reductions in taxes on the upper income brackets and estates of the wealthy did indeed result in increases in savings and investment. However, overinvestment (by 1929 there were over 600 automobile manufacturing companies in the USA) caused the depression that made the rich, and most everyone else, ultimately much poorer. </p>
<p>Since 1969 there has been a tremendous shift in the tax burdens away from the rich on onto the middle class. Corporate income tax receipts, whose incidence falls entirely on the owners of corporations, were 4% of GDP then and are now less than 1%. During that same period, payroll tax rates as percent of GDP have increased dramatically. The overinvestment problem<br />
caused by the reduction in taxes on the wealthy is exacerbated by the increased tax burden on the middle class. While overinvestment creates more factories, housing and shopping centers; higher payroll taxes reduces the purchasing power of middle-class consumers. &#8230;&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/1543642" rel="nofollow">http://seekingalpha.com/article/1543642</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill R</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2014 01:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand the definition, but if your country has high productivity and produces more valuable and scaleable products per person relative to other countries aren&#039;t the resultant receipts-to-GDP comparisons between your country and others confounded?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the definition, but if your country has high productivity and produces more valuable and scaleable products per person relative to other countries aren&#8217;t the resultant receipts-to-GDP comparisons between your country and others confounded?</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruben Anderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does this explain why education, infant mortality and lifespan metrics are all getting worse--concurrent with the rest of the developed world looking at the U.S. like savages because of the bizarre conversations around healthcare?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this explain why education, infant mortality and lifespan metrics are all getting worse&#8211;concurrent with the rest of the developed world looking at the U.S. like savages because of the bizarre conversations around healthcare?</p>
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		<title>By: Majromax</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Majromax]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[... because it is?


GDP measures &quot;stuff the nation produces.&quot;  Tax receipts measure &quot;stuff taken as taxation by government.&quot;  The ratio of the two directly translates to &quot;what fraction of what is produced is taken by the government?&quot;


Reenues/GDP is one of the very few simple measures that isn&#039;t screwed up by distributional issues.  For example, a country that taxes individuals at a high rate but corporations not at all may &lt;i&gt;seem&lt;/i&gt; to have a higher tax burden from an individual&#039;s perspective, but may in fact be lower-taxed (net) than a country with a different tax structure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; because it is?</p>
<p>GDP measures &#8220;stuff the nation produces.&#8221;  Tax receipts measure &#8220;stuff taken as taxation by government.&#8221;  The ratio of the two directly translates to &#8220;what fraction of what is produced is taken by the government?&#8221;</p>
<p>Reenues/GDP is one of the very few simple measures that isn&#8217;t screwed up by distributional issues.  For example, a country that taxes individuals at a high rate but corporations not at all may <i>seem</i> to have a higher tax burden from an individual&#8217;s perspective, but may in fact be lower-taxed (net) than a country with a different tax structure.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill R</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is tax receipts as a percentage of GDP a good measure of the relative tax burden of its citizens and corporations?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is tax receipts as a percentage of GDP a good measure of the relative tax burden of its citizens and corporations?</p>
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