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		<title>By: Texans and Second-Generation Code Switching</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jul 2013 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2013 22:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hans Bakker</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand your point and accept it completely. Turkendeutsh dialects such as Kanak Sprak are important to note. Thank you for informing me about it. I hope everyone will remember &quot;1066 and all that&quot; in terms of the mongrel language we now call &quot;English&quot; (and its olffshoots in the colonies, and eventually what we now think of as the U.S.) Does anyone know about the pidgen used by holies in Hawaii?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your point and accept it completely. Turkendeutsh dialects such as Kanak Sprak are important to note. Thank you for informing me about it. I hope everyone will remember &#8220;1066 and all that&#8221; in terms of the mongrel language we now call &#8220;English&#8221; (and its olffshoots in the colonies, and eventually what we now think of as the U.S.) Does anyone know about the pidgen used by holies in Hawaii?</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Bakker</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am completely in agreement with you on this. We need to be more attentive to what the history of the nation-state of Germany represents and we need to be aware that the &quot;German&quot; language was the language of science for many generations of Americans and Canadians. I have sometimes been amused that many of my academic colleagues have no idea that Germany became a nation-state in 1870. They know very little about Prussia and often confuse it with Russia. Almost no one can tell you anything whatsoever about the Holy Roman &quot;Germanic&quot; Empire, which included large parts of what are now the countries of Italy and Austria, etc. The two world wars have resulted in silly stereotypes. As Santayana said: &quot;Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.&quot; I would add, often in a different form that is only fully recognizable after the Owl of Minerva has flown away!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am completely in agreement with you on this. We need to be more attentive to what the history of the nation-state of Germany represents and we need to be aware that the &#8220;German&#8221; language was the language of science for many generations of Americans and Canadians. I have sometimes been amused that many of my academic colleagues have no idea that Germany became a nation-state in 1870. They know very little about Prussia and often confuse it with Russia. Almost no one can tell you anything whatsoever about the Holy Roman &#8220;Germanic&#8221; Empire, which included large parts of what are now the countries of Italy and Austria, etc. The two world wars have resulted in silly stereotypes. As Santayana said: &#8220;Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.&#8221; I would add, often in a different form that is only fully recognizable after the Owl of Minerva has flown away!</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Bakker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hans Bakker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is true that there is a mythology widely shared in popular culture. But in popular culture there are many stereotypes of all kinds. I don&#039;t really think this example is all that unusual. When another language is quite distinctive grammatically and semantically then the person who comes to North America at a later age is likely to retain a great deal of the language of origin and yet speak perfectly acceptable &quot;American.&quot; Immigrants from Greece, Italy, France, and many other European countries tend to retain much of their original grammar. My mother, whose native language was Frisian and who learned Dutch in school, spoke English very well, but she always retained Frisian-Dutch grammatical forms. Dutch immigrants often speak Holl-ish (Holl-ands + Eng-lish). I came to Ohio when I was five and learned English watching the Howdy Doody Show! (B&amp;W TV was a new thing in 1952!) The other main category that is being ignored by the remark -- which was probably meant to be somewhat casual -- is the use of African languages by slaves brought to the colonies by people like Henry Laurens, a rice planter from South Carolina who became wealthy running the largest slave-trading house in North America. (He was fifth President of the Continental Congress.) The slaves never received any education in the standard British American speech pattern of that time and place (1750s-1770s) and they retain elements of Senegalese languages, etc., today. (Note the recent picture of President Obama in Senegal.) Language is never a static thing. Prof. Michael Gordin of Princeton has recently been lauded for his work on related topics. We always have to place people and the languages they use in a comparative historical sociological (CHS) context!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true that there is a mythology widely shared in popular culture. But in popular culture there are many stereotypes of all kinds. I don&#8217;t really think this example is all that unusual. When another language is quite distinctive grammatically and semantically then the person who comes to North America at a later age is likely to retain a great deal of the language of origin and yet speak perfectly acceptable &#8220;American.&#8221; Immigrants from Greece, Italy, France, and many other European countries tend to retain much of their original grammar. My mother, whose native language was Frisian and who learned Dutch in school, spoke English very well, but she always retained Frisian-Dutch grammatical forms. Dutch immigrants often speak Holl-ish (Holl-ands + Eng-lish). I came to Ohio when I was five and learned English watching the Howdy Doody Show! (B&amp;W TV was a new thing in 1952!) The other main category that is being ignored by the remark &#8212; which was probably meant to be somewhat casual &#8212; is the use of African languages by slaves brought to the colonies by people like Henry Laurens, a rice planter from South Carolina who became wealthy running the largest slave-trading house in North America. (He was fifth President of the Continental Congress.) The slaves never received any education in the standard British American speech pattern of that time and place (1750s-1770s) and they retain elements of Senegalese languages, etc., today. (Note the recent picture of President Obama in Senegal.) Language is never a static thing. Prof. Michael Gordin of Princeton has recently been lauded for his work on related topics. We always have to place people and the languages they use in a comparative historical sociological (CHS) context!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2013 05:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps we are focusing on quite different things.  To me, the resistance to German acquisition by Turks in Germany is a completely different beast, and while I can understand some of the parallels that you have drawn, I find them rather forced - especially as the news clip as well as related news articles do not fully explain the level of bilingualism that existed and was accepted/encouraged in Texas. 

&quot;I mean sure, the dialect thing is interesting and all, but it&#039;s hardly all that special.&quot;

To me, that is the crux about what this article is about. I think you are completely underestimating the dialect thing.  It is a case study about how a regional dialect formed and then slowly eroded, for cultural reasons as well as legal ones, for example laws requiring only English in schools.  (It may not deviate that much from standard German so as to be unintelligible to native Germans, but it is still unmistakebly a dialect.)   Hundreds of dialects die out every year, and hundreds are formed every year. 

German is a particularly fascinating and important case study for linguists who specialize in dialects because it was actually built from hundreds, possibly thousands, of different dialects.  The formation of a standard German language was a political construction - it never actually preceded the dialects, unlike many other languages.  In the case of Texas German, you may observe these malleable facets of the German language, as well as how persistently it has resisted its standardization in everyday life. 

German is a particularly important ethnographic case study for the study of dialect trajectories in that it greatly lends itself to 1) inventing new words, even by individuals alone (as Boas says himself, no two individuals in Texas speak the same way), and 2) still being reasonably understood by others despite this scatteredness.  This quality is shared by very few other languages, (at least, to my knowledge, European languages). 

And as always, any dialect somehow takes on the cultural dimension of being &quot;lesser&quot; in value than the standard language.  Again, this is particularly interesting for the case of German, whose standardization was a socio-political move.  And despite this &quot;lesser&quot; status, you see how the dialect has survived (though barely) in Texas, rather than knowledge of the standard language; it is really a testament to the power of dialects. (I would be interested in learning if standard German was even taught or spoken, the way it is in schools in German-speaking countries.) 

Ok, I know I&#039;m rambling now.  To finish off, I&#039;m sure there are very relevant parallels between Texas German and Turkendeutsch dialects such as Kanak Sprak, as well as other immigrant dialects that integrate German.   But I remain skeptical about the parallels you have drawn with regards to resistance to language aqcuisition in German-speaking countries, at least with the present information that we have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps we are focusing on quite different things.  To me, the resistance to German acquisition by Turks in Germany is a completely different beast, and while I can understand some of the parallels that you have drawn, I find them rather forced &#8211; especially as the news clip as well as related news articles do not fully explain the level of bilingualism that existed and was accepted/encouraged in Texas. </p>
<p>&#8220;I mean sure, the dialect thing is interesting and all, but it&#8217;s hardly all that special.&#8221;</p>
<p>To me, that is the crux about what this article is about. I think you are completely underestimating the dialect thing.  It is a case study about how a regional dialect formed and then slowly eroded, for cultural reasons as well as legal ones, for example laws requiring only English in schools.  (It may not deviate that much from standard German so as to be unintelligible to native Germans, but it is still unmistakebly a dialect.)   Hundreds of dialects die out every year, and hundreds are formed every year. </p>
<p>German is a particularly fascinating and important case study for linguists who specialize in dialects because it was actually built from hundreds, possibly thousands, of different dialects.  The formation of a standard German language was a political construction &#8211; it never actually preceded the dialects, unlike many other languages.  In the case of Texas German, you may observe these malleable facets of the German language, as well as how persistently it has resisted its standardization in everyday life. </p>
<p>German is a particularly important ethnographic case study for the study of dialect trajectories in that it greatly lends itself to 1) inventing new words, even by individuals alone (as Boas says himself, no two individuals in Texas speak the same way), and 2) still being reasonably understood by others despite this scatteredness.  This quality is shared by very few other languages, (at least, to my knowledge, European languages). </p>
<p>And as always, any dialect somehow takes on the cultural dimension of being &#8220;lesser&#8221; in value than the standard language.  Again, this is particularly interesting for the case of German, whose standardization was a socio-political move.  And despite this &#8220;lesser&#8221; status, you see how the dialect has survived (though barely) in Texas, rather than knowledge of the standard language; it is really a testament to the power of dialects. (I would be interested in learning if standard German was even taught or spoken, the way it is in schools in German-speaking countries.) </p>
<p>Ok, I know I&#8217;m rambling now.  To finish off, I&#8217;m sure there are very relevant parallels between Texas German and Turkendeutsch dialects such as Kanak Sprak, as well as other immigrant dialects that integrate German.   But I remain skeptical about the parallels you have drawn with regards to resistance to language aqcuisition in German-speaking countries, at least with the present information that we have.</p>
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		<title>By: Umlud</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2013 21:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I guess it all boils down to the question &#039;What makes this case so special?&#039;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think that it&#039;s a &quot;special case&quot; because of the mythology within the US (and about the US) that past generations of immigrants all fully partook of the &quot;American Experience.&quot; This video - and many other pieces of evidence - disrupt that mythology, and - at least tacitly - show that the European immigrants of the past (who are often held up as being the &quot;model immigrants&quot; who did their best to &quot;become American&quot;) weren&#039;t actually all on board with the whole, &quot;It&#039;s America, and we speak English here, and if you don&#039;t like it, you can just go on back to where you came from&quot; (which - unfortunately and ironically - is the reaction that many Latinos face, even those who are multi-generational Americans).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I guess it all boils down to the question &#8216;What makes this case so special?&#8217;.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that it&#8217;s a &#8220;special case&#8221; because of the mythology within the US (and about the US) that past generations of immigrants all fully partook of the &#8220;American Experience.&#8221; This video &#8211; and many other pieces of evidence &#8211; disrupt that mythology, and &#8211; at least tacitly &#8211; show that the European immigrants of the past (who are often held up as being the &#8220;model immigrants&#8221; who did their best to &#8220;become American&#8221;) weren&#8217;t actually all on board with the whole, &#8220;It&#8217;s America, and we speak English here, and if you don&#8217;t like it, you can just go on back to where you came from&#8221; (which &#8211; unfortunately and ironically &#8211; is the reaction that many Latinos face, even those who are multi-generational Americans).</p>
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		<title>By: Umlud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Umlud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2013 21:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going out on a limb here, but I wonder if part of it was due to the fact that German immigrants &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; the majority (often by far) in the areas where they settled (many of which were far outside of cities). There was little perceived &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; to write things down or to do an investigation of what was - for them - everyday life. Just like it wasn&#039;t common for Prussian farmers to write about the lives and histories of Prussian farmers in Prussia, I imagine that there was a similar &quot;blindness&quot; within the farming groups that settled the Midwest and the West.

Contrast that with how diasporas in cities were documented, both by outsiders and - often later - by insiders. And it wasn&#039;t only in the large cities of Boston, New York, or Chicago, but also smaller cities, like Hungarians in Toledo or Greeks in Ann Arbor/Ypsilanti. Also in cities, the histories of German immigrants were described far more often, even in places where they were majorities (or formed the largest minority), possibly because, even though they were numerous, they were not often amongst the wealthy.

However, speaking about the shift in the use of German as the major spoken and written language in the area, I recall that the first major shift toward English was during World War I, and the vilification of the Prussians at that time. (True, Germany and Prussia are not exactly the same, but - like the difference between Russia and the Soviet Union a couple generations later - that likely made little difference to many Americans.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going out on a limb here, but I wonder if part of it was due to the fact that German immigrants <i>were</i> the majority (often by far) in the areas where they settled (many of which were far outside of cities). There was little perceived <i>need</i> to write things down or to do an investigation of what was &#8211; for them &#8211; everyday life. Just like it wasn&#8217;t common for Prussian farmers to write about the lives and histories of Prussian farmers in Prussia, I imagine that there was a similar &#8220;blindness&#8221; within the farming groups that settled the Midwest and the West.</p>
<p>Contrast that with how diasporas in cities were documented, both by outsiders and &#8211; often later &#8211; by insiders. And it wasn&#8217;t only in the large cities of Boston, New York, or Chicago, but also smaller cities, like Hungarians in Toledo or Greeks in Ann Arbor/Ypsilanti. Also in cities, the histories of German immigrants were described far more often, even in places where they were majorities (or formed the largest minority), possibly because, even though they were numerous, they were not often amongst the wealthy.</p>
<p>However, speaking about the shift in the use of German as the major spoken and written language in the area, I recall that the first major shift toward English was during World War I, and the vilification of the Prussians at that time. (True, Germany and Prussia are not exactly the same, but &#8211; like the difference between Russia and the Soviet Union a couple generations later &#8211; that likely made little difference to many Americans.)</p>
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		<title>By: TlindaT</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2013 21:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You misunderstand my point I think, I am not talking about retaining German culture and language. I am drawing a comparison between the Turks in Germany and the Germans in the USA. 

Both are immigrants, both are only very slowly (to not at all) adapting to local culture. The movie states that the only reason the Germans in Texas adapted was because of WWII and hostility against all things German, otherwise they probably still wouldn&#039;t have. One of the women in the feature freely admitted that she only spoke a few words of English as a child despite being second or third generation Texan.



In Germany the refusal of the immigrants to adapt to German culture is talked about as an immigration problem. People find it problematic and insulting when immigrants to Germany refuse to learn and speak German. In this case on the other hand they talk about it is a good thing and as if it is bad that the difference is vanishing. That just seems strange to me and a bit hypocritical all things considered.


I mean sure, the dialect thing is interesting and all, but it&#039;s hardly all that special. An interesting mishmash of German and English with a few English words thrown into the German and a few German grammar rules applied to English. I understood every word. It&#039;s hardly a language or a culture that has to be preserved because last I checked the German language and culture was well and thriving. In Germany. It may be lost to this specific community but hardly lost overall.


Or one could also compare the Latino immigrants. I know for a fact that many people in the US don&#039;t take kindly to it when they &#039;try to preserve their culture&#039; and don&#039;t learn English.


I guess it all boils down to the question &#039;What makes this case so special?&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You misunderstand my point I think, I am not talking about retaining German culture and language. I am drawing a comparison between the Turks in Germany and the Germans in the USA. </p>
<p>Both are immigrants, both are only very slowly (to not at all) adapting to local culture. The movie states that the only reason the Germans in Texas adapted was because of WWII and hostility against all things German, otherwise they probably still wouldn&#8217;t have. One of the women in the feature freely admitted that she only spoke a few words of English as a child despite being second or third generation Texan.</p>
<p>In Germany the refusal of the immigrants to adapt to German culture is talked about as an immigration problem. People find it problematic and insulting when immigrants to Germany refuse to learn and speak German. In this case on the other hand they talk about it is a good thing and as if it is bad that the difference is vanishing. That just seems strange to me and a bit hypocritical all things considered.</p>
<p>I mean sure, the dialect thing is interesting and all, but it&#8217;s hardly all that special. An interesting mishmash of German and English with a few English words thrown into the German and a few German grammar rules applied to English. I understood every word. It&#8217;s hardly a language or a culture that has to be preserved because last I checked the German language and culture was well and thriving. In Germany. It may be lost to this specific community but hardly lost overall.</p>
<p>Or one could also compare the Latino immigrants. I know for a fact that many people in the US don&#8217;t take kindly to it when they &#8216;try to preserve their culture&#8217; and don&#8217;t learn English.</p>
<p>I guess it all boils down to the question &#8216;What makes this case so special?&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: ViktorNN</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this! 


As a German-American with children, I&#039;ve found it so frustrating that German-American historical and educational resources are hard to come by compared to other groups. It&#039;s so odd considering that German-Americans are the largest ethnic group in the country - you&#039;d think library bookshelves would be stuffed with German-American histories, but they&#039;re not (quite the opposite, sadly). The stigma of the wars is long worn off, so it seems past due for German-American history to get some airplay :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this! </p>
<p>As a German-American with children, I&#8217;ve found it so frustrating that German-American historical and educational resources are hard to come by compared to other groups. It&#8217;s so odd considering that German-Americans are the largest ethnic group in the country &#8211; you&#8217;d think library bookshelves would be stuffed with German-American histories, but they&#8217;re not (quite the opposite, sadly). The stigma of the wars is long worn off, so it seems past due for German-American history to get some airplay :)</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although I understand how you may see a contrast, as both cases have to do with retaining German culture and language, I think they are only tenuously linked rather than clear contrasts.  The OP has to do with a local dialect slowly dying out, and the stigma that may have accelerated its extinction.  It&#039;s just a very different phenomenon from your example.  

Respectfully, I am highly interested in the subject you brought up - but I do not see it as a contrast to the OP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I understand how you may see a contrast, as both cases have to do with retaining German culture and language, I think they are only tenuously linked rather than clear contrasts.  The OP has to do with a local dialect slowly dying out, and the stigma that may have accelerated its extinction.  It&#8217;s just a very different phenomenon from your example.  </p>
<p>Respectfully, I am highly interested in the subject you brought up &#8211; but I do not see it as a contrast to the OP.</p>
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		<title>By: TlindaT</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2013 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find the contrast rather interesting, because on this side of the pond in German, Austria etc. many locals are ranting about the refusal of (mainly) Turkish immigrants to adapt to local culture and speak proper German even if they are second or even third generation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the contrast rather interesting, because on this side of the pond in German, Austria etc. many locals are ranting about the refusal of (mainly) Turkish immigrants to adapt to local culture and speak proper German even if they are second or even third generation.</p>
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