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		<title>By: Because women are interchangeable - The Lady Errant</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/05/21/tv-vs-the-movies-which-does-better-by-women/comment-page-1/#comment-594333</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Because women are interchangeable - The Lady Errant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2014 01:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] read a post a few days ago on whether TV or movies do better by women at Sociological Images.  Even left a comment, but realized the futility of following the thread further since [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] read a post a few days ago on whether TV or movies do better by women at Sociological Images.  Even left a comment, but realized the futility of following the thread further since [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Because women are interchangeable to Tom Cruise &#124; This flooded sky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Because women are interchangeable to Tom Cruise &#124; This flooded sky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2014 01:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] read a post a few days ago on whether TV or movies do better by women at Sociological Images. &#160;Even left a comment, but realized the futility of following the thread further since [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] read a post a few days ago on whether TV or movies do better by women at Sociological Images. &nbsp;Even left a comment, but realized the futility of following the thread further since [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/05/21/tv-vs-the-movies-which-does-better-by-women/comment-page-1/#comment-582500</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Nov 2013 16:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If someone you know is being abused (and it&#039;s quite likely that someone in everyone&#039;s life is) then by all means, I think it&#039;s morally irresponsible not to intervene. If you are abusing someone yourself (rather than just being a sarcastic troll on the internet), then stop that. Ignoring, excusing, or romanticizing abusive relationships (or possibly &quot;violet&quot; ones, whatever that is) can be a very harmful thing to do to actual people in your life. I happen to think it&#039;s a massive logical leap to make the same claim about fiction. 


A lot of atrocities, from the mundane to the extreme, are portrayed in fiction, and always have been. If you&#039;d like to have it otherwise, you&#039;ll have to throw out nearly all great literature (and, as I already said, most major religious texts). But we can not simply assume that consuming depictions of harmful behaviors in fictional materials makes people more susceptible to them in reality. And all the biased efforts over the years to link violent pop culture with violent behavior over the years have utterly failed to produce any persuasive evidence in favor of their arguments. Once again, if you have uncovered radical new insights in behavioral psychology that might convince a rational person otherwise, then please - present them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone you know is being abused (and it&#8217;s quite likely that someone in everyone&#8217;s life is) then by all means, I think it&#8217;s morally irresponsible not to intervene. If you are abusing someone yourself (rather than just being a sarcastic troll on the internet), then stop that. Ignoring, excusing, or romanticizing abusive relationships (or possibly &#8220;violet&#8221; ones, whatever that is) can be a very harmful thing to do to actual people in your life. I happen to think it&#8217;s a massive logical leap to make the same claim about fiction. </p>
<p>A lot of atrocities, from the mundane to the extreme, are portrayed in fiction, and always have been. If you&#8217;d like to have it otherwise, you&#8217;ll have to throw out nearly all great literature (and, as I already said, most major religious texts). But we can not simply assume that consuming depictions of harmful behaviors in fictional materials makes people more susceptible to them in reality. And all the biased efforts over the years to link violent pop culture with violent behavior over the years have utterly failed to produce any persuasive evidence in favor of their arguments. Once again, if you have uncovered radical new insights in behavioral psychology that might convince a rational person otherwise, then please &#8211; present them.</p>
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		<title>By: Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Nov 2013 13:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So according to you ignoring, excusing, or even actively romanticizing violet and abusive relationships =/= harmful. Gotcha.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So according to you ignoring, excusing, or even actively romanticizing violet and abusive relationships =/= harmful. Gotcha.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Wade: TV vs. the Movies: Which Does Better by Women? - Freshwadda Brooks &#124; Coming Soon!</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa Wade: TV vs. the Movies: Which Does Better by Women? - Freshwadda Brooks &#124; Coming Soon!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2013 00:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Originally posted at Sociological Images. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Originally posted at Sociological Images. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/05/21/tv-vs-the-movies-which-does-better-by-women/comment-page-1/#comment-573733</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[55% per cent of theatrically released American films are rated R. While it&#039;s true that the R-rating is commercially detrimental, there will still have been a very significant number of R-rated films whose sales were higher than a large number of the included films.

The paper accompanying the research does specify that they chose the 129 highest-grossing films within the PG and PG-13 sample, and all G-Rated films regardless of rating, but it does not at any point say that they omitted R-rated films for viewership reasons. Considering that they chose the label &quot;family films,&quot; and used &quot;Children&#039;s Shows&quot; as a counterpoint, it is pretty clear that their choice was actually based on an interest in exploring the gender imbalance in entertainment for young viewers.

 Their concern about the shortage of positive female role models in children&#039;s entertainment is perfectly valid, and their data are relevant to that point. But the data are not as relevant to a discussion on the viewing habits and options of adults.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>55% per cent of theatrically released American films are rated R. While it&#8217;s true that the R-rating is commercially detrimental, there will still have been a very significant number of R-rated films whose sales were higher than a large number of the included films.</p>
<p>The paper accompanying the research does specify that they chose the 129 highest-grossing films within the PG and PG-13 sample, and all G-Rated films regardless of rating, but it does not at any point say that they omitted R-rated films for viewership reasons. Considering that they chose the label &#8220;family films,&#8221; and used &#8220;Children&#8217;s Shows&#8221; as a counterpoint, it is pretty clear that their choice was actually based on an interest in exploring the gender imbalance in entertainment for young viewers.</p>
<p> Their concern about the shortage of positive female role models in children&#8217;s entertainment is perfectly valid, and their data are relevant to that point. But the data are not as relevant to a discussion on the viewing habits and options of adults.</p>
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		<title>By: Kali</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reason they look at prime time TV and G, PG and PG-13 movies is 
because these have the highest viewership.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason they look at prime time TV and G, PG and PG-13 movies is<br />
because these have the highest viewership.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 21:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quantitative research about PG13 mainstream movies tell us basically nothing about the quality of cinema - including the movies that are included in the statistics, by the way - which is what the OP is about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quantitative research about PG13 mainstream movies tell us basically nothing about the quality of cinema &#8211; including the movies that are included in the statistics, by the way &#8211; which is what the OP is about.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually now I&#039;m not even sure what you&#039;re referring to. The charted data are not about what people are watching, as they don&#039;t account for viewership. The blog commentary isn&#039;t about what people are watching either; if anything, it&#039;s about what Lisa &lt;i&gt;isn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; watching. And Jacob&#039;s comment was about what viewers &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; see, not about what they choose to see.



In all likelihood, we have far more agreements than disagreements on the portrayal of women in entertainment. But of all the approaches we could take to addressing that, I find dismissing an entire medium as though it were monolithic to be about the least constructive imaginable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually now I&#8217;m not even sure what you&#8217;re referring to. The charted data are not about what people are watching, as they don&#8217;t account for viewership. The blog commentary isn&#8217;t about what people are watching either; if anything, it&#8217;s about what Lisa <i>isn&#8217;t</i> watching. And Jacob&#8217;s comment was about what viewers <i>can</i> see, not about what they choose to see.</p>
<p>In all likelihood, we have far more agreements than disagreements on the portrayal of women in entertainment. But of all the approaches we could take to addressing that, I find dismissing an entire medium as though it were monolithic to be about the least constructive imaginable.</p>
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		<title>By: Kali</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 13:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is not about what any one person can find to watch. This is about what people are watching. You see the difference? One is about &quot;how do I entertain myself?&quot; and the other is about &quot;how does this affect social attitudes and beliefs?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not about what any one person can find to watch. This is about what people are watching. You see the difference? One is about &#8220;how do I entertain myself?&#8221; and the other is about &#8220;how does this affect social attitudes and beliefs?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kali</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 13:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a field we are talking about, not a particular &quot;piece of storytelling&quot;. That is how one notices patterns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a field we are talking about, not a particular &#8220;piece of storytelling&#8221;. That is how one notices patterns.</p>
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		<title>By: TV OR MOVIES??? &#124; Indianfeminist101</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TV OR MOVIES??? &#124; Indianfeminist101]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 11:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] TV OR MOVIES??? [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] TV OR MOVIES??? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 04:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just finished the paper (am always intrigued by the Twilight phenomenon).  It is an extremely well-written and well-researched paper.  It thoughtfully raises many valid questions, so thank you for linking it.  But it does not provide evidence that Twilight is damaging, that is not even the scope of the paper.

The author does a thorough content analysis and uses bibliography to suggest Twilight is **potentially** damaging.  He or she proposes ways for its influence to be researched.  For those who don&#039;t have time to read the full paper, it&#039;s even in the abstract:

&quot;In conclusion, I identify the potential negative influence of the romanticism of violence for youth, considering the high rates of victimization and little education they receive on the subject.&quot;

The only problem with following the author up on their suggestions for further research is that using their paper as a guide paves the way for a high likelihood of confirmation bias.  My only quibble with the paper is that the writer makes great use of a bibliography and personal arguments to argue for Twilight&#039;s potential negative influence, and no bibliography or personal considerations that argues against it.  
I wouldn&#039;t make this criticism if the paper was a literary analysis, but as sociology, it could be more balanced.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just finished the paper (am always intrigued by the Twilight phenomenon).  It is an extremely well-written and well-researched paper.  It thoughtfully raises many valid questions, so thank you for linking it.  But it does not provide evidence that Twilight is damaging, that is not even the scope of the paper.</p>
<p>The author does a thorough content analysis and uses bibliography to suggest Twilight is **potentially** damaging.  He or she proposes ways for its influence to be researched.  For those who don&#8217;t have time to read the full paper, it&#8217;s even in the abstract:</p>
<p>&#8220;In conclusion, I identify the potential negative influence of the romanticism of violence for youth, considering the high rates of victimization and little education they receive on the subject.&#8221;</p>
<p>The only problem with following the author up on their suggestions for further research is that using their paper as a guide paves the way for a high likelihood of confirmation bias.  My only quibble with the paper is that the writer makes great use of a bibliography and personal arguments to argue for Twilight&#8217;s potential negative influence, and no bibliography or personal considerations that argues against it.<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t make this criticism if the paper was a literary analysis, but as sociology, it could be more balanced.</p>
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		<title>By: ViktorNN</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ViktorNN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 01:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have time to dig into the study, but I&#039;m wondering if it addresses all the non-fictional shows available on cable that cater specifically to women? While I wouldn&#039;t say it&#039;s very high quality, the spectrum that includes reality shows, home and lifestyle shows, and so on seems pretty vast, diverse, and more or less on par with, if not exceeding, the amount of &quot;male&quot; oriented shows, most of which seems to be war documentaries and sports.


But hey, I stopped watching TV years ago...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have time to dig into the study, but I&#8217;m wondering if it addresses all the non-fictional shows available on cable that cater specifically to women? While I wouldn&#8217;t say it&#8217;s very high quality, the spectrum that includes reality shows, home and lifestyle shows, and so on seems pretty vast, diverse, and more or less on par with, if not exceeding, the amount of &#8220;male&#8221; oriented shows, most of which seems to be war documentaries and sports.</p>
<p>But hey, I stopped watching TV years ago&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Odell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Odell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 01:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alright, here&#039;s a person who actually did a huge research paper on it. Here&#039;s the link:

http://aladinrc.wrlc.org/bitstream/handle/1961/9164/Bannar,%20Kyrie%20-%20Spring%20&#039;10.pdf?sequence=1

The paper is about the romanticism of teen dating violence with a focus on Twilight, and how reading books like these affects adolescents who read it. It goes over every possible bad message that can be found in Twilight, and cites how things in pop culture cause damage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, here&#8217;s a person who actually did a huge research paper on it. Here&#8217;s the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://aladinrc.wrlc.org/bitstream/handle/1961/9164/Bannar,%20Kyrie%20-%20Spring%20&#039;10.pdf?sequence=1" rel="nofollow">http://aladinrc.wrlc.org/bitstream/handle/1961/9164/Bannar,%20Kyrie%20-%20Spring%20&#039;10.pdf?sequence=1</a></p>
<p>The paper is about the romanticism of teen dating violence with a focus on Twilight, and how reading books like these affects adolescents who read it. It goes over every possible bad message that can be found in Twilight, and cites how things in pop culture cause damage.</p>
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