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	<title>Comments on: Assimilation Among 1st- and 2nd-Generation Immigrants</title>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Sloan</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/04/13/assimilation-among-1st-and-2nd-generation-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-572970</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jennifer Sloan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In most of Manhattan, yes, you often won&#039;t find signs in 3 languages - but take a trip to Queens or Brooklyn and you will!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In most of Manhattan, yes, you often won&#8217;t find signs in 3 languages &#8211; but take a trip to Queens or Brooklyn and you will!</p>
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		<title>By: EB</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/04/13/assimilation-among-1st-and-2nd-generation-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-572642</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The pew study illustrates an issue that many people studying assimilation face - what is the larger cultural context to which the group is assimilating.  



In other words, many second generation Mexican-Americans in California consider themselves to be &quot;typical Americans&quot;  and they are &quot;typical&quot; for the area and state in which they live.  HOWEVER, CA is a majority-minority state with heavy Hispanic influence.  Many of these second-generation individuals are in environments where there are large Mexican (and other Hispanic ethnic group) populations who are also second, third, fourth, and so on generations.  There is a predominance of ethnic markers such as restaurants, fashion, store signs in both english and spanish, food routinely stocked in &quot;regular&quot; stores, so what is &quot;typical&quot; where they are located can be very specific to where they are located.


California is particularly problematic for looking at assimilation and making conclusion regarding second plus generations being &quot;just like everyone else&quot; because it contains at least a third of all Asian and Hispanics located in the US in that one state.  Consequently for those of us living there, the establishment of ethnic enclaves where culture is being constantly reinforced by new immigrants and then the mixing of various cultures means that &quot;typical&quot; Americans living in California (of all races) have experiences that are vastly different from &quot;typical&quot; Americans living in the midwest or east coast.  Furthermore, there are more and more signs that some cross assimilation has been taking place between various Asian and Hispanic cultures as well due to the close proximity and cultural mixing going on.



As someone who often goes other places, I find a lack of what I consider to be markers of cultural diversity even in places like NYC because signs aren&#039;t in 3 languages, stores don&#039;t stock BOTH asian and hispanic preferred food stuffs, etc. etc.


Anyways, just pointing out that what is a &quot;typical&quot; American varies by location.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pew study illustrates an issue that many people studying assimilation face &#8211; what is the larger cultural context to which the group is assimilating.  </p>
<p>In other words, many second generation Mexican-Americans in California consider themselves to be &#8220;typical Americans&#8221;  and they are &#8220;typical&#8221; for the area and state in which they live.  HOWEVER, CA is a majority-minority state with heavy Hispanic influence.  Many of these second-generation individuals are in environments where there are large Mexican (and other Hispanic ethnic group) populations who are also second, third, fourth, and so on generations.  There is a predominance of ethnic markers such as restaurants, fashion, store signs in both english and spanish, food routinely stocked in &#8220;regular&#8221; stores, so what is &#8220;typical&#8221; where they are located can be very specific to where they are located.</p>
<p>California is particularly problematic for looking at assimilation and making conclusion regarding second plus generations being &#8220;just like everyone else&#8221; because it contains at least a third of all Asian and Hispanics located in the US in that one state.  Consequently for those of us living there, the establishment of ethnic enclaves where culture is being constantly reinforced by new immigrants and then the mixing of various cultures means that &#8220;typical&#8221; Americans living in California (of all races) have experiences that are vastly different from &#8220;typical&#8221; Americans living in the midwest or east coast.  Furthermore, there are more and more signs that some cross assimilation has been taking place between various Asian and Hispanic cultures as well due to the close proximity and cultural mixing going on.</p>
<p>As someone who often goes other places, I find a lack of what I consider to be markers of cultural diversity even in places like NYC because signs aren&#8217;t in 3 languages, stores don&#8217;t stock BOTH asian and hispanic preferred food stuffs, etc. etc.</p>
<p>Anyways, just pointing out that what is a &#8220;typical&#8221; American varies by location.</p>
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		<title>By: Lunad</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/04/13/assimilation-among-1st-and-2nd-generation-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-572172</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lunad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I prefer &quot;second-generation American&quot; myself. Children of migrants seems to be too clunky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer &#8220;second-generation American&#8221; myself. Children of migrants seems to be too clunky.</p>
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		<title>By: Brutus</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/04/13/assimilation-among-1st-and-2nd-generation-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-572168</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brutus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nothing will calm the fears of people who believe that racial dilution will harm anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing will calm the fears of people who believe that racial dilution will harm anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Sloan</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/04/13/assimilation-among-1st-and-2nd-generation-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-572133</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jennifer Sloan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d argue that these definitions extend beyond the US when used by social scientists; take a look on work being done on this topic in Europe, for example. Since this is a sociology blog I would expect terms to be used correctly. 

And you are absolutely correct, appending &quot;immigrant&quot; to second generation is a misnomer and can be highly problematic. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d argue that these definitions extend beyond the US when used by social scientists; take a look on work being done on this topic in Europe, for example. Since this is a sociology blog I would expect terms to be used correctly. </p>
<p>And you are absolutely correct, appending &#8220;immigrant&#8221; to second generation is a misnomer and can be highly problematic. </p>
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		<title>By: sodium11</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sodium11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That may be the accepted usage in the US, but the wikipedia page on this topic references alternative uses in other countries, as well as the inherent ambiguity and the inaccuracy of calling someone an immigrant (even &quot;second-generation&quot;) when they are not one. This NYT article shows better usage: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/08/us/pew-study-tracks-success-of-children-of-immigrants.html?_r=0. Using clearer language like &quot;children of immigrants&quot; and, when using the term &quot;second generation,&quot; not appending &quot;immigrant&quot; to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That may be the accepted usage in the US, but the wikipedia page on this topic references alternative uses in other countries, as well as the inherent ambiguity and the inaccuracy of calling someone an immigrant (even &#8220;second-generation&#8221;) when they are not one. This NYT article shows better usage: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/08/us/pew-study-tracks-success-of-children-of-immigrants.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/08/us/pew-study-tracks-success-of-children-of-immigrants.html?_r=0</a>. Using clearer language like &#8220;children of immigrants&#8221; and, when using the term &#8220;second generation,&#8221; not appending &#8220;immigrant&#8221; to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Sloan</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/04/13/assimilation-among-1st-and-2nd-generation-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-572109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jennifer Sloan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2013 02:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Among immigration scholars the accepted terms are as defined here in the comments. Colloquially people do say 1st gen to mean children of immigrants. The big problem here is that the terms are actually defined in the charts presented and the author ignores them!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among immigration scholars the accepted terms are as defined here in the comments. Colloquially people do say 1st gen to mean children of immigrants. The big problem here is that the terms are actually defined in the charts presented and the author ignores them!</p>
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		<title>By: Lunad</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/04/13/assimilation-among-1st-and-2nd-generation-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-572105</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lunad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have actually heard the terminology both ways.  Also - 1st generation American, 2nd generation American, etc.  Bottom line is, while I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with the terminology, you should always be clear about what you mean (as the above post does).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have actually heard the terminology both ways.  Also &#8211; 1st generation American, 2nd generation American, etc.  Bottom line is, while I don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with the terminology, you should always be clear about what you mean (as the above post does).</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Charles Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry Charles Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You want to use REASON to solve the problem?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want to use REASON to solve the problem?</p>
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		<title>By: sodium11</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sodium11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 20:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This illustrates the unnecessary ambiguity of terms like &quot;first generation&quot; and &quot;second generation&quot; — why not just say &quot;migrants&quot;, &quot;children of migrants&quot; and &quot;grandchildren of migrants&quot;? Let&#039;s get rid of the &quot;___ generation&quot; for good.

I also find the term &quot;Second-generation immigrant&quot; to inaccurate and a little offensive regardless of which generation it&#039;s referring to. My parents were immigrants and I was born in the US. I am not an immigrant and my kids will not be immigrants. I fully acknowledge my status as a child of immigrants and see how it may be a relevant factor in understanding certain aspects of my life experience, but I reject the term &quot;second-generation immigrant&quot; since I am not any kind of immigrant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This illustrates the unnecessary ambiguity of terms like &#8220;first generation&#8221; and &#8220;second generation&#8221; — why not just say &#8220;migrants&#8221;, &#8220;children of migrants&#8221; and &#8220;grandchildren of migrants&#8221;? Let&#8217;s get rid of the &#8220;___ generation&#8221; for good.</p>
<p>I also find the term &#8220;Second-generation immigrant&#8221; to inaccurate and a little offensive regardless of which generation it&#8217;s referring to. My parents were immigrants and I was born in the US. I am not an immigrant and my kids will not be immigrants. I fully acknowledge my status as a child of immigrants and see how it may be a relevant factor in understanding certain aspects of my life experience, but I reject the term &#8220;second-generation immigrant&#8221; since I am not any kind of immigrant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Sloan</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/04/13/assimilation-among-1st-and-2nd-generation-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-572098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jennifer Sloan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please be more precise with your language. 1st gen is the people who immigrate, 2nd gen is people born in the US and are NOT immigrants. The grandchildren of immigrants are the 3rd generation and are difficult to distinguish in many data sets. The tables you posted also provide this information. The few studies that have looked at the 3rd generation (eg Telles and Ortiz) show that by the 3rd gen there is some type of downward assimilation happening; this is attributed in part to racialization and loss of the &quot;immigrant advantage&quot; posessed by the 2nd gen. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please be more precise with your language. 1st gen is the people who immigrate, 2nd gen is people born in the US and are NOT immigrants. The grandchildren of immigrants are the 3rd generation and are difficult to distinguish in many data sets. The tables you posted also provide this information. The few studies that have looked at the 3rd generation (eg Telles and Ortiz) show that by the 3rd gen there is some type of downward assimilation happening; this is attributed in part to racialization and loss of the &#8220;immigrant advantage&#8221; posessed by the 2nd gen. </p>
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		<title>By: Georgia Bianchi</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/04/13/assimilation-among-1st-and-2nd-generation-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-572095</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Georgia Bianchi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 19:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quick fix please - the children of immigrants are actually the second generation. First generation is the immigrants themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick fix please &#8211; the children of immigrants are actually the second generation. First generation is the immigrants themselves.</p>
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