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	<title>Comments on: What Was in the 1941 College Woman&#8217;s Closet?</title>
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		<title>By: k</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[k]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About the amount that people pay for clothing then/now/etc.



I find it quite interesting, because global trade and labor helps to give us some wildly inexpensive products, including clothing. Quality wise though, most 50 dollar sweaters you would buy now would probably not make it through 30 years of heavy rotation, much less make it past a few decades in order to be resold (in a vintage boutique or something). 

I think that cheap retailers change our perception of what clothing can withstand and how we take care of our stuff. We don&#039;t fix things anymore because it is just as easy to throw away something and buy another. Retailers don&#039;t have to pay attention to quality if people shop by price point. Target gets top notch designers to design the surface of my umbrella but the umbrella broke in 3 different places after 20 uses.

 I don&#039;t exclusively buy top notch stuff, but I try to seek out better stuff because it makes my life easier because I can shop for something once. I tend to be a picky shopper, so buying more expensive shoes means I spend less time shopping around for a replacement as each cheaper pairs quickly degrades. I feel ok investing in a shoe repair bill and I tend to buy a few things that I love instead of needing a complicated storage solution for a bunch of things I am ok with. I appreciate the idea of having less, but of better quality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the amount that people pay for clothing then/now/etc.</p>
<p>I find it quite interesting, because global trade and labor helps to give us some wildly inexpensive products, including clothing. Quality wise though, most 50 dollar sweaters you would buy now would probably not make it through 30 years of heavy rotation, much less make it past a few decades in order to be resold (in a vintage boutique or something). </p>
<p>I think that cheap retailers change our perception of what clothing can withstand and how we take care of our stuff. We don&#8217;t fix things anymore because it is just as easy to throw away something and buy another. Retailers don&#8217;t have to pay attention to quality if people shop by price point. Target gets top notch designers to design the surface of my umbrella but the umbrella broke in 3 different places after 20 uses.</p>
<p> I don&#8217;t exclusively buy top notch stuff, but I try to seek out better stuff because it makes my life easier because I can shop for something once. I tend to be a picky shopper, so buying more expensive shoes means I spend less time shopping around for a replacement as each cheaper pairs quickly degrades. I feel ok investing in a shoe repair bill and I tend to buy a few things that I love instead of needing a complicated storage solution for a bunch of things I am ok with. I appreciate the idea of having less, but of better quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Kali</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clothing might not be following the same pattern as everything else. Food and housing, for example.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clothing might not be following the same pattern as everything else. Food and housing, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: gasstationwithoutpumps</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gasstationwithoutpumps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s $3700 in current dollars—a pretty substantial annual clothing budget.  It would be useful if authors included inflation-adjusted numbers in their writing whenever they report historical prices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s $3700 in current dollars—a pretty substantial annual clothing budget.  It would be useful if authors included inflation-adjusted numbers in their writing whenever they report historical prices.</p>
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		<title>By: Yrro Simyarin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yrro Simyarin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was 1941 - the average female undergraduate was from a *much* different social and economic class.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was 1941 &#8211; the average female undergraduate was from a *much* different social and economic class.</p>
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		<title>By: Yrro Simyarin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yrro Simyarin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every time I read something like this, I feel like all of the graphs saying the middle class isn&#039;t materially better off than we were then must be missing *something*.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time I read something like this, I feel like all of the graphs saying the middle class isn&#8217;t materially better off than we were then must be missing *something*.</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clothes were *expensive* back then, there wasn&#039;t the equivalent of 20$ dresses from Forever21. Fast, semi-disposable fashion is a relatively recent phenomenon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clothes were *expensive* back then, there wasn&#8217;t the equivalent of 20$ dresses from Forever21. Fast, semi-disposable fashion is a relatively recent phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: Umlud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Umlud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; Don&#039;t give in and spend your money on books.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

With the way that book costs are increasing, it will increasingly become the case that a student might not have the opportunity to choose whether to give in to the temptation to buy clothes. :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Don&#8217;t give in and spend your money on books.</p></blockquote>
<p>With the way that book costs are increasing, it will increasingly become the case that a student might not have the opportunity to choose whether to give in to the temptation to buy clothes. :P</p>
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		<title>By: Umlud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Umlud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My first year of undergrad was when one of the university dorms changed from all-female to co-ed, and it was odd to see how the rules were (attempted) to be maintained. Technically, as a male visitor, I had to sign in, but female visitors didn&#039;t. When it was pointed out that this was silly (because - if the point of signing in was to discourage too much hanky-panky among the residents - it wasn&#039;t applied equally to female visitors), the rule was changed so that males had to sign in when they were there to visit females, and females had to sign in when they were there to visit males. When this was pointed out to be just as silly (since a male could just say that he was there to visit a male resident, and a female a female resident), it was changed &lt;i&gt;again&lt;/i&gt; so that &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; visitors had to be met at the entry desk by the resident.


Ultimately, non-residents were merely required to sign in and out (ostensibly for the purposes of security, even though it was the only residence hall that maintained such a log).


Rules and traditions, eh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first year of undergrad was when one of the university dorms changed from all-female to co-ed, and it was odd to see how the rules were (attempted) to be maintained. Technically, as a male visitor, I had to sign in, but female visitors didn&#8217;t. When it was pointed out that this was silly (because &#8211; if the point of signing in was to discourage too much hanky-panky among the residents &#8211; it wasn&#8217;t applied equally to female visitors), the rule was changed so that males had to sign in when they were there to visit females, and females had to sign in when they were there to visit males. When this was pointed out to be just as silly (since a male could just say that he was there to visit a male resident, and a female a female resident), it was changed <i>again</i> so that <i>all</i> visitors had to be met at the entry desk by the resident.</p>
<p>Ultimately, non-residents were merely required to sign in and out (ostensibly for the purposes of security, even though it was the only residence hall that maintained such a log).</p>
<p>Rules and traditions, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Umlud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Umlud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a little surprised about the $240.33 value being listed as average, but I&#039;m just going on what Gwen wrote in her post.

But - to summarize what I said to SuedeHat - I imagine that the relative price of the &quot;acceptable wardrobe of an undergraduate female&quot; of 1941 is far more expensive (in constant dollars) than that of today.

I don&#039;t see too many &quot;street-length dresses&quot; on university campuses, but I do see a lot undergrads in the attire of &quot;sweatshirt with leggings/jeans/sweatpants&quot;. And I&#039;m going to hazard the guess that the modern ensemble is cheaper than that of their (great) grandmothers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little surprised about the $240.33 value being listed as average, but I&#8217;m just going on what Gwen wrote in her post.</p>
<p>But &#8211; to summarize what I said to SuedeHat &#8211; I imagine that the relative price of the &#8220;acceptable wardrobe of an undergraduate female&#8221; of 1941 is far more expensive (in constant dollars) than that of today.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see too many &#8220;street-length dresses&#8221; on university campuses, but I do see a lot undergrads in the attire of &#8220;sweatshirt with leggings/jeans/sweatpants&#8221;. And I&#8217;m going to hazard the guess that the modern ensemble is cheaper than that of their (great) grandmothers.</p>
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		<title>By: Umlud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Umlud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you&#039;re right, but I also think that a large amount of that has to do with globalization, the standardization of sizes (and - hence - the diminished need for tailoring and sizing), and the changes in the expected breadth (and contents) of one&#039;s wardrobe (which is related to the permissible types of outfits that could be worn).


Looking at photos of what male students wore during the 1940s and 1950s, I&#039;m always surprised at how many students wore a suit and tie (and how many also wore hats), even in candid photos. Having to buy a new suit each year (so that it can replace one in the rotation) is far more expensive than purchasing a new pair of jeans and a t-shirt, and I&#039;d imagine that it&#039;s a similar case for female students: the &quot;street-length dress&quot; (a presumably more expensive item than the other ones listed, even though it was the most common dress item) has been replaced (apparently, at least where I did my graduate work) with leggings and a sweatshirt (which I&#039;d guess are far less expensive in constant dollars than the street-length dress).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right, but I also think that a large amount of that has to do with globalization, the standardization of sizes (and &#8211; hence &#8211; the diminished need for tailoring and sizing), and the changes in the expected breadth (and contents) of one&#8217;s wardrobe (which is related to the permissible types of outfits that could be worn).</p>
<p>Looking at photos of what male students wore during the 1940s and 1950s, I&#8217;m always surprised at how many students wore a suit and tie (and how many also wore hats), even in candid photos. Having to buy a new suit each year (so that it can replace one in the rotation) is far more expensive than purchasing a new pair of jeans and a t-shirt, and I&#8217;d imagine that it&#8217;s a similar case for female students: the &#8220;street-length dress&#8221; (a presumably more expensive item than the other ones listed, even though it was the most common dress item) has been replaced (apparently, at least where I did my graduate work) with leggings and a sweatshirt (which I&#8217;d guess are far less expensive in constant dollars than the street-length dress).</p>
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		<title>By: Lunad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lunad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[those rules were in place, but followed?  I definitely heard stories of men sneaking in through second story windows in the old days. (my school had similar restrictions).


As an aside, my favorite rule was that &quot;at least one foot must be on the ground at all times when entertaining gentlemen in the common area&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>those rules were in place, but followed?  I definitely heard stories of men sneaking in through second story windows in the old days. (my school had similar restrictions).</p>
<p>As an aside, my favorite rule was that &#8220;at least one foot must be on the ground at all times when entertaining gentlemen in the common area&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: naath</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[naath]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have this odd relationship with shoes... vis, I buy them because they are PRETTY! SHINY! and then I don&#039;t wear them.  But even setting apart the stupid-large collection of daft shoes I almost never wear I have my winter shoes, my spring/autumn shoes, my summer shoes, my running shoes, my hiking shoes, and my rock-climbing shoes... oh, and also slippers (summer and winter) and flipflops.  Not sure I could cope with only 3 pairs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have this odd relationship with shoes&#8230; vis, I buy them because they are PRETTY! SHINY! and then I don&#8217;t wear them.  But even setting apart the stupid-large collection of daft shoes I almost never wear I have my winter shoes, my spring/autumn shoes, my summer shoes, my running shoes, my hiking shoes, and my rock-climbing shoes&#8230; oh, and also slippers (summer and winter) and flipflops.  Not sure I could cope with only 3 pairs.</p>
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		<title>By: naath</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[naath]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or girls at the 1-boyfriend college were, ahem, otherwise inclined?


I was at Newnham, Cambridge and the &quot;jokes&quot; (haha very funny, not) were mostly about how we must all be lesbians to go to a women-only college. 



Reading about the restrictions that used to exist for women is... scary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or girls at the 1-boyfriend college were, ahem, otherwise inclined?</p>
<p>I was at Newnham, Cambridge and the &#8220;jokes&#8221; (haha very funny, not) were mostly about how we must all be lesbians to go to a women-only college. </p>
<p>Reading about the restrictions that used to exist for women is&#8230; scary.</p>
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		<title>By: SuedeHat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SuedeHat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think clothes have necessarily risen by the same rate of inflation as other items. You could buy a $15 pair of jeans in 1983 and you can buy a $15 pair of jeans now, for example. (At Old Navy, say.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think clothes have necessarily risen by the same rate of inflation as other items. You could buy a $15 pair of jeans in 1983 and you can buy a $15 pair of jeans now, for example. (At Old Navy, say.)</p>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not think that is average! Unless you&#039;re replacing every single item in a huge wardrobe each year (and where would you keep that amount of clothes in a dorm room?) or buying only very expensive designer items, I have no idea how to even spend that amount of money on clothes in one year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think that is average! Unless you&#8217;re replacing every single item in a huge wardrobe each year (and where would you keep that amount of clothes in a dorm room?) or buying only very expensive designer items, I have no idea how to even spend that amount of money on clothes in one year.</p>
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