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		<title>By: sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sharon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As my driving instructor always said, &quot;Where your eyes go, your car will follow.&quot; I too have noticed that women look askance at the viewer, or at the male - including pretty much all of the Disney princesses. I believe that, in a subtle way, this reinforces rape culture. It sounds like a long shot, but I think it&#039;s true: their eyes say they want it, their bodies say they don&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As my driving instructor always said, &#8220;Where your eyes go, your car will follow.&#8221; I too have noticed that women look askance at the viewer, or at the male &#8211; including pretty much all of the Disney princesses. I believe that, in a subtle way, this reinforces rape culture. It sounds like a long shot, but I think it&#8217;s true: their eyes say they want it, their bodies say they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: More pairings &#124; Polytropy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More pairings &#124; Polytropy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 12:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Men Walk, Women Pose: The Gender Politics of Silhouettes [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: David Pierce</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Pierce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2013 12:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having read this article about poses not long ago, I was struck yesterday by the *similarity* of the poses of the man and the woman in two portraits by Whistler at the Freer Gallery of Art in Washington.  The Gallery website discusses the two portraits here:  http://startstudioarts.si.edu/2012/06/modern-arrangements.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read this article about poses not long ago, I was struck yesterday by the *similarity* of the poses of the man and the woman in two portraits by Whistler at the Freer Gallery of Art in Washington.  The Gallery website discusses the two portraits here:  <a href="http://startstudioarts.si.edu/2012/06/modern-arrangements.html" rel="nofollow">http://startstudioarts.si.edu/2012/06/modern-arrangements.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Y Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Y Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Mar 2013 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Mouse said, the pose is generally used as a way to convey a feeling or demonstrate a behavior...

Male poses in video games and movies are very différents, walking up front can be used as a way to express resolve, courage, tensed muscles as a way to show anger, strenght, decontracted poses to show badassness etc...

But the typpicals female poses are completely devoid of any behavior, &quot;they just look nice&quot; or sexy. Regardless of the context, and are just here as a way to say &quot;Hey look, isn&#039;t she pretty? See? See how pretty she is? Isn&#039;t that cool?&quot;

It&#039;s not an universal law and you&#039;re free to show some counter examples, but the large majority of female représentations in advertising and entertaining still match the description.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Mouse said, the pose is generally used as a way to convey a feeling or demonstrate a behavior&#8230;</p>
<p>Male poses in video games and movies are very différents, walking up front can be used as a way to express resolve, courage, tensed muscles as a way to show anger, strenght, decontracted poses to show badassness etc&#8230;</p>
<p>But the typpicals female poses are completely devoid of any behavior, &#8220;they just look nice&#8221; or sexy. Regardless of the context, and are just here as a way to say &#8220;Hey look, isn&#8217;t she pretty? See? See how pretty she is? Isn&#8217;t that cool?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not an universal law and you&#8217;re free to show some counter examples, but the large majority of female représentations in advertising and entertaining still match the description.</p>
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		<title>By: MEN WALK, WOMEN POSE: THE GENDER POLITICS OF SILHOUETTES &#124; cjoseph22</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MEN WALK, WOMEN POSE: THE GENDER POLITICS OF SILHOUETTES &#124; cjoseph22]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Mar 2013 02:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 03:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is completely possible that it was a male model, however, given the hair, pose, and clothing, it hits almost all points of codified femininity that society values.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is completely possible that it was a male model, however, given the hair, pose, and clothing, it hits almost all points of codified femininity that society values.  </p>
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		<title>By: Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 03:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Body stance is a significant purveyor of behavioral traits. For example, if I&#039;m nervous my body takes on a demure stance, head towards the ground, shoulders hunched, generally the body becomes more condensed. When I am happy, I generally keep my head up, move more confidently, and take up more space. Both situations can have any number of facial expressions, but convey the same general feeling based on body language. A very large percentage of our communication is based on physical body language that goes beyond facial expressions, so I do not see how it would be that much of a stretch to regard poses as communicating behavioral traits when in everyday life we use such cues in interpersonal interactions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Body stance is a significant purveyor of behavioral traits. For example, if I&#8217;m nervous my body takes on a demure stance, head towards the ground, shoulders hunched, generally the body becomes more condensed. When I am happy, I generally keep my head up, move more confidently, and take up more space. Both situations can have any number of facial expressions, but convey the same general feeling based on body language. A very large percentage of our communication is based on physical body language that goes beyond facial expressions, so I do not see how it would be that much of a stretch to regard poses as communicating behavioral traits when in everyday life we use such cues in interpersonal interactions.</p>
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		<title>By: decius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[decius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 01:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t it sex policing to say that the thin, long-haired silhouette wearing pumps is the female figure, while the thick, short-haired silhouette wearing long sleeves is the male one?

What makes the figure on the right female?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it sex policing to say that the thin, long-haired silhouette wearing pumps is the female figure, while the thick, short-haired silhouette wearing long sleeves is the male one?</p>
<p>What makes the figure on the right female?</p>
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		<title>By: NellyAda</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NellyAda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t call them far-fetched, but just thinking up some potential parallels doesn&#039;t lend them much credibility.  I realize Lisa said &quot;might&quot;, but those suggestions seem like they need stronger backing before being taken as anything more than shooting the breeze.

If anything, the images clearly communicate something about aggression.  Forward-facing and active poses are widely perceived as aggressive across circumstances, societies and even species; and the characters on display here are generally positive (or at least important) characters.  Combining positively-coded characters with gendered portrayals of [non-]aggression seems to pretty clearly reinforce the idea that good men are aggressive and good women are not - which, conveniently, dovetails well with the way most (Western at least) value aggression in men and condemn it in women, or at least tend in that direction.

I don&#039;t see why we should take the suggestion that pose communicates something about other behavioral traits, though, like mischeviousness or uncertainty, without significant demonstration of such associations in the culture in question.  If anything, those traits seem to me to be associated more strongly with given facial expressions than with poses, which in particular makes the image of two athletes, where no face is visible, difficult to associate with such things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call them far-fetched, but just thinking up some potential parallels doesn&#8217;t lend them much credibility.  I realize Lisa said &#8220;might&#8221;, but those suggestions seem like they need stronger backing before being taken as anything more than shooting the breeze.</p>
<p>If anything, the images clearly communicate something about aggression.  Forward-facing and active poses are widely perceived as aggressive across circumstances, societies and even species; and the characters on display here are generally positive (or at least important) characters.  Combining positively-coded characters with gendered portrayals of [non-]aggression seems to pretty clearly reinforce the idea that good men are aggressive and good women are not &#8211; which, conveniently, dovetails well with the way most (Western at least) value aggression in men and condemn it in women, or at least tend in that direction.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see why we should take the suggestion that pose communicates something about other behavioral traits, though, like mischeviousness or uncertainty, without significant demonstration of such associations in the culture in question.  If anything, those traits seem to me to be associated more strongly with given facial expressions than with poses, which in particular makes the image of two athletes, where no face is visible, difficult to associate with such things.</p>
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		<title>By: Amycoop</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amycoop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always thought the hip-thrust stance of females was to give the too-thin models the appearance of curves.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought the hip-thrust stance of females was to give the too-thin models the appearance of curves.  </p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 04:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zoe Saldana rivals Mariah Carey in how she is always photographed from a 2/3 angle or some kind of shaded angle.  Look at her on every single poster, with the exception of Avater, but you don&#039;t even recognize her on Avatar so it&#039;s irrelevant.  It&#039;s weird because Saldana is photogenic from pretty much every angle, but yeah, she&#039;s not a compelling example to choose in an analysis about why women cock their head to the side and men face you head on.  Saldana or her managers are just neurotic, the explanation is that simple.  

Cracked.com has these really funny articles on actors who look the same in every movie poster.  Really worth a look, if only for laughs.

http://www.cracked.com/article_20288_8-actors-who-look-same-every-movie-poster-part-3.html

http://www.cracked.com/article_19903_9-actors-who-do-exact-same-thing-every-movie-poster_p2.html

http://www.cracked.com/article_19093_8-actors-who-look-exactly-same-every-movie-poster_p2.html

You&#039;ll find that movie posters in general are not good tools for this gendered pose analysis, at least when it comes to head shots.  Body poses are definitely more gendered.  But look, it&#039;s really common now for movie posters to feature all the actors, which poster artists heavily complain about, because it diminishes the artform of posters (and YES, it&#039;s an artform)  You&#039;ll find all sorts of variances in how actors - men, women, young, old, sex symbols, character actors etc. - face or don&#039;t face the camera.  The hypothesis about gender stereotypes here simply does not fit.

But movie posters aside, I can&#039;t deny that gendered poses are very frequent in magazines and textbooks and all sorts of things in our very visual modern society.  It&#039;s worth exporing why it happens, but like Tom, I find the analysis here far-fetched.  




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoe Saldana rivals Mariah Carey in how she is always photographed from a 2/3 angle or some kind of shaded angle.  Look at her on every single poster, with the exception of Avater, but you don&#8217;t even recognize her on Avatar so it&#8217;s irrelevant.  It&#8217;s weird because Saldana is photogenic from pretty much every angle, but yeah, she&#8217;s not a compelling example to choose in an analysis about why women cock their head to the side and men face you head on.  Saldana or her managers are just neurotic, the explanation is that simple.  </p>
<p>Cracked.com has these really funny articles on actors who look the same in every movie poster.  Really worth a look, if only for laughs.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cracked.com/article_20288_8-actors-who-look-same-every-movie-poster-part-3.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cracked.com/article_20288_8-actors-who-look-same-every-movie-poster-part-3.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cracked.com/article_19903_9-actors-who-do-exact-same-thing-every-movie-poster_p2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cracked.com/article_19903_9-actors-who-do-exact-same-thing-every-movie-poster_p2.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cracked.com/article_19093_8-actors-who-look-exactly-same-every-movie-poster_p2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cracked.com/article_19093_8-actors-who-look-exactly-same-every-movie-poster_p2.html</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;ll find that movie posters in general are not good tools for this gendered pose analysis, at least when it comes to head shots.  Body poses are definitely more gendered.  But look, it&#8217;s really common now for movie posters to feature all the actors, which poster artists heavily complain about, because it diminishes the artform of posters (and YES, it&#8217;s an artform)  You&#8217;ll find all sorts of variances in how actors &#8211; men, women, young, old, sex symbols, character actors etc. &#8211; face or don&#8217;t face the camera.  The hypothesis about gender stereotypes here simply does not fit.</p>
<p>But movie posters aside, I can&#8217;t deny that gendered poses are very frequent in magazines and textbooks and all sorts of things in our very visual modern society.  It&#8217;s worth exporing why it happens, but like Tom, I find the analysis here far-fetched.  </p>
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		<title>By: Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 01:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Would you like to offer an reason why? I&#039;d be interested in hearing your defense]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Would you like to offer an reason why? I&#8217;d be interested in hearing your defense</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It’s a complicated one, but might include lessons like this: men face things head on, while women are uncertain; women pose and men take action;  men are straightforward, women sly.&quot; –– Well, that&#039;s pretty far-fetched, isn&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s a complicated one, but might include lessons like this: men face things head on, while women are uncertain; women pose and men take action;  men are straightforward, women sly.&#8221; –– Well, that&#8217;s pretty far-fetched, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes men in action are more difficult to subject to a sexualised gaze. If they&#039;re looking at you strait in the eye it&#039;s harder to objectify them, if their bodies are in action it&#039;s harder to objectify them because they have purpose.


women&#039;s bodies are shown to welcome the gaze either by their faces inviting your look (like Uhura) or by their bodies being displayed as having no purpose (ie. no activity) but to be admired.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes men in action are more difficult to subject to a sexualised gaze. If they&#8217;re looking at you strait in the eye it&#8217;s harder to objectify them, if their bodies are in action it&#8217;s harder to objectify them because they have purpose.</p>
<p>women&#8217;s bodies are shown to welcome the gaze either by their faces inviting your look (like Uhura) or by their bodies being displayed as having no purpose (ie. no activity) but to be admired.</p>
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		<title>By: kerriganmarois</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kerriganmarois]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey guys! Uneducated white male here again. 

As a freelance graphic designer I see this sort of thing all the time. When you say that it adds up over time by essentially being subliminally forecast to us at all times, you are totally correct. 

Almost every single stock photo I come across focuses on the male head on focusing on the shoulders, or leading a group, or looking down on a team of people. While the women photos tend to focus on posing, their hips, or sexy glances. 

I work with mostly non-profits that benefit inner city communities, and trust me it is very difficult to find stock photos representing the community that aren&#039;t totally ridiculous. 

Just this week I looked at: 

Angry black women
Diminutive Latino men
Asians with glasses

All I needed was a happy minority family! Not only is this BS wrong, but it literally costs me money in the time it takes just to find photos that don&#039;t fall into these stereotypes. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys! Uneducated white male here again. </p>
<p>As a freelance graphic designer I see this sort of thing all the time. When you say that it adds up over time by essentially being subliminally forecast to us at all times, you are totally correct. </p>
<p>Almost every single stock photo I come across focuses on the male head on focusing on the shoulders, or leading a group, or looking down on a team of people. While the women photos tend to focus on posing, their hips, or sexy glances. </p>
<p>I work with mostly non-profits that benefit inner city communities, and trust me it is very difficult to find stock photos representing the community that aren&#8217;t totally ridiculous. </p>
<p>Just this week I looked at: </p>
<p>Angry black women<br />
Diminutive Latino men<br />
Asians with glasses</p>
<p>All I needed was a happy minority family! Not only is this BS wrong, but it literally costs me money in the time it takes just to find photos that don&#8217;t fall into these stereotypes. </p>
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