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	<title>Comments on: Purity and Danger: Partisan Politics and Persuasion</title>
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		<title>By: Yuk! A Problem with Using Disgust to Engage Environmental Consciousness. &#124; Eco-Critical Connections</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/02/18/purity-and-danger-partisan-politics-and-persuasion/comment-page-1/#comment-576935</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yuk! A Problem with Using Disgust to Engage Environmental Consciousness. &#124; Eco-Critical Connections]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and purifying the environment”  (Anwar). On the face of it, this sounds pretty good because, as Jay Livingston notes, “the findings suggest that common ground between liberals and conservatives may not be as [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] and purifying the environment”  (Anwar). On the face of it, this sounds pretty good because, as Jay Livingston notes, “the findings suggest that common ground between liberals and conservatives may not be as [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: The Sacred and The Profane: Sacred Values and Political Behavior &#124; Money and Politics: A Love Story</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Sacred and The Profane: Sacred Values and Political Behavior &#124; Money and Politics: A Love Story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 00:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Recent research at Berkeley, covered by Lisa Wade over at Sociological Images, does show that if your messages resonate with the values Conservatives hold dear, rather than urging them to abandon those values to arrive at your own logical argument, we open up and can accept new information. And the good news, again according to Haidt, is that since Conservatives resonate with the entire spectrum of Moral Foundations, which means there is plenty of room for traction. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Recent research at Berkeley, covered by Lisa Wade over at Sociological Images, does show that if your messages resonate with the values Conservatives hold dear, rather than urging them to abandon those values to arrive at your own logical argument, we open up and can accept new information. And the good news, again according to Haidt, is that since Conservatives resonate with the entire spectrum of Moral Foundations, which means there is plenty of room for traction. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Jjok2R</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jjok2R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 23:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It just confirms again that liberal thought is inherently inferior, it&#039;s all based on their feelings and morals instead of logic and competition.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just confirms again that liberal thought is inherently inferior, it&#8217;s all based on their feelings and morals instead of logic and competition.  </p>
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		<title>By: Oblivion_Necroninja</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oblivion_Necroninja]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait...
So we have evidence that conservatives are, in fact, worse at using their brains?

...So can&#039;t we just cull &#039;em? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8230;<br />
So we have evidence that conservatives are, in fact, worse at using their brains?</p>
<p>&#8230;So can&#8217;t we just cull &#8216;em? </p>
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		<title>By: Galen Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Galen Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another interesting finding here is the fact that both Liberals and Conservatives in this study can be seen to slightly _reduce_ their Proenvironmental Attitude relative to the control group when they receive the messaging that works for their counterparts. 

That&#039;s assuming the result I&#039;m seeing is statistically significant and real, of course. And it may not be. But it makes sense, especially in such a divisive debate. Recognizing the kind of argument likely to be made by your opponent is likely to make you assume that the argument is incorrect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interesting finding here is the fact that both Liberals and Conservatives in this study can be seen to slightly _reduce_ their Proenvironmental Attitude relative to the control group when they receive the messaging that works for their counterparts. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s assuming the result I&#8217;m seeing is statistically significant and real, of course. And it may not be. But it makes sense, especially in such a divisive debate. Recognizing the kind of argument likely to be made by your opponent is likely to make you assume that the argument is incorrect.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This isn&#039;t new.  George Lakoff has been writing about this for years.  His book Moral Politics does an excellent job of explaining conservative and liberal moral principals.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t new.  George Lakoff has been writing about this for years.  His book Moral Politics does an excellent job of explaining conservative and liberal moral principals.   </p>
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		<title>By: Rishi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rishi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s true.  They exactly like liberals and conservatives in that regard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s true.  They exactly like liberals and conservatives in that regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Tusconian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tusconian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 02:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They are not different, however, in being obnoxiously arrogant and having inflated senses of their own intellect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are not different, however, in being obnoxiously arrogant and having inflated senses of their own intellect.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Livingston</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Livingston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 01:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ I meant &quot;is&quot; fine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I meant &#8220;is&#8221; fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Livingston</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Livingston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Picky if fine.  Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Picky if fine.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Rishi</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/02/18/purity-and-danger-partisan-politics-and-persuasion/comment-page-1/#comment-569530</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rishi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Ultimately, the findings suggest that common ground between liberals and conservatives may not be as impossible to find as it may seem.&quot;

There is really a lot of common ground between liberals and conservatives already.  They both basically agree that the state is powerful enough to do whatever it wants.  They only disagree over what that power should be used for.  Libertarians though, are a different breed entirely, believing that state power is limited.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ultimately, the findings suggest that common ground between liberals and conservatives may not be as impossible to find as it may seem.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is really a lot of common ground between liberals and conservatives already.  They both basically agree that the state is powerful enough to do whatever it wants.  They only disagree over what that power should be used for.  Libertarians though, are a different breed entirely, believing that state power is limited.</p>
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		<title>By: Shira Coffee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shira Coffee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to be picky, but the scholar&#039;s name is Jonathan Haidt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be picky, but the scholar&#8217;s name is Jonathan Haidt</p>
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		<title>By: Yrro Simyarin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yrro Simyarin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haidt&#039;s research, I think, often seems to do a better job than most at getting at &quot;why&quot; people believe things. Or at least, why they are susceptible to different belief systems that are shown to them. Some of his articles on both the Tea Party and the Occupy movements managed to get to the core of how those groups saw themselves much better than many people covering the movements. His axes aren&#039;t perfect, but they do show consistent differences in thought process and values.

&quot;Individual narcissism&quot; is taking it a step too far. It&#039;s not just about &quot;ruining it for me&quot;, it&#039;s &quot;ruining it for my family, my friends, my church, my local society, my nation.&quot; With something like environmental protection, there is a big difference in the analysis when you switch the statement between &quot;pollution is bad for its own sake&quot; and &quot;pollution is bad because of its negative effects on people I care about.&quot;

The level of definition that Haidt provides between these differences can go a long way toward having reasonable dialog and &quot;we&#039;re coming at this from different base premises... let&#039;s stop talking past each other and address those.&quot; On the level of understanding, we can move the debate to &quot;does the environment&#039;s present state have value apart from its utility to humanity&quot;? or &quot;should our policies and opinions prioritize people we share country/legal system/belief system with?&quot; and possibly come to some compromise on that position that would allow a compromise on other more specific issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haidt&#8217;s research, I think, often seems to do a better job than most at getting at &#8220;why&#8221; people believe things. Or at least, why they are susceptible to different belief systems that are shown to them. Some of his articles on both the Tea Party and the Occupy movements managed to get to the core of how those groups saw themselves much better than many people covering the movements. His axes aren&#8217;t perfect, but they do show consistent differences in thought process and values.</p>
<p>&#8220;Individual narcissism&#8221; is taking it a step too far. It&#8217;s not just about &#8220;ruining it for me&#8221;, it&#8217;s &#8220;ruining it for my family, my friends, my church, my local society, my nation.&#8221; With something like environmental protection, there is a big difference in the analysis when you switch the statement between &#8220;pollution is bad for its own sake&#8221; and &#8220;pollution is bad because of its negative effects on people I care about.&#8221;</p>
<p>The level of definition that Haidt provides between these differences can go a long way toward having reasonable dialog and &#8220;we&#8217;re coming at this from different base premises&#8230; let&#8217;s stop talking past each other and address those.&#8221; On the level of understanding, we can move the debate to &#8220;does the environment&#8217;s present state have value apart from its utility to humanity&#8221;? or &#8220;should our policies and opinions prioritize people we share country/legal system/belief system with?&#8221; and possibly come to some compromise on that position that would allow a compromise on other more specific issues.</p>
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		<title>By: ravencomeslaughing</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ravencomeslaughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you can also see it as the difference between altruistic global realization versus individualistic narcissism.  Seeing a forest destroyed, a coral reef in danger, these imply that one should care about the environment for its own sake, for the future preservation of the whole planet.  The contamination scenes are all about &quot;oh my god, it&#039;s ruining everything for ME&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you can also see it as the difference between altruistic global realization versus individualistic narcissism.  Seeing a forest destroyed, a coral reef in danger, these imply that one should care about the environment for its own sake, for the future preservation of the whole planet.  The contamination scenes are all about &#8220;oh my god, it&#8217;s ruining everything for ME&#8221;.</p>
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