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	<title>Comments on: The Politics of &#8220;Discovery&#8221;: The Case of the Lesula</title>
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		<title>By: Sartora</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sartora]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most of us do.  As far as I&#039;m concerned, the only difference between &quot;find&quot; and &quot;discover&quot; is that the former more heavily implies an active search, and the latter is frequently also used to mean &quot;find out&quot; rather than just &quot;find&quot;.

Also, maybe the US is different, but in all the Canadian schools I&#039;m aware of, most schoolchildren learn at a young age that Columbus was not the first European to reach the Americas.  The media narrative is different, of course, but most younger people who remember their schooling know better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of us do.  As far as I&#8217;m concerned, the only difference between &#8220;find&#8221; and &#8220;discover&#8221; is that the former more heavily implies an active search, and the latter is frequently also used to mean &#8220;find out&#8221; rather than just &#8220;find&#8221;.</p>
<p>Also, maybe the US is different, but in all the Canadian schools I&#8217;m aware of, most schoolchildren learn at a young age that Columbus was not the first European to reach the Americas.  The media narrative is different, of course, but most younger people who remember their schooling know better.</p>
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		<title>By: The Politics of ?Discovery? &#8211; The Society Pages &#124; Republican Kulang Na Kulang Ba Lyrics</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Politics of ?Discovery? &#8211; The Society Pages &#124; Republican Kulang Na Kulang Ba Lyrics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ni descubrimiento ni encuentro de dos mundos. &#124; Qué Joder</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ni descubrimiento ni encuentro de dos mundos. &#124; Qué Joder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Las políticas del descubrimiento: el caso del Lesula:  &#8220;Con frecuencia escuchamos que Cristobal Colón &#8220;descubrió&#8221; América, una palabra que borra a los más de 50 millones de habitantes del continente, que ya estaban ahí cuando el bote de Colón llegó. Una persona no puede descubrir algo que otra persona ya conoce. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Las políticas del descubrimiento: el caso del Lesula:  &#8220;Con frecuencia escuchamos que Cristobal Colón &#8220;descubrió&#8221; América, una palabra que borra a los más de 50 millones de habitantes del continente, que ya estaban ahí cuando el bote de Colón llegó. Una persona no puede descubrir algo que otra persona ya conoce. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: [Recreads] September 2012 reading list</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[[Recreads] September 2012 reading list]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 06:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Images is one of my favorite blogs, but they have clearly missed the mark in their discussion of the issues surrounding newly identified primate species, the lesula. Instead of a measured evaluation of what a new species represents in the very-real context of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Images is one of my favorite blogs, but they have clearly missed the mark in their discussion of the issues surrounding newly identified primate species, the lesula. Instead of a measured evaluation of what a new species represents in the very-real context of [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: September 24-28, 2012: World 101, week 2 (culture and human rights) - WORLD STUDIES - Ms. Sibbett&#039;s World Studies - Issaquah Connect</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[September 24-28, 2012: World 101, week 2 (culture and human rights) - WORLD STUDIES - Ms. Sibbett&#039;s World Studies - Issaquah Connect]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] your daily journal, read monkey discovery article and this critique of it. Then answer these questions: Why are scientists using the word &quot;discovered&quot; if lots of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] your daily journal, read monkey discovery article and this critique of it. Then answer these questions: Why are scientists using the word &quot;discovered&quot; if lots of [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: September 24-28, 2012: World 101, week 2 (culture and human rights) - HONORS WORLD STUDIES - Ms. Sibbett&#039;s World Studies - Issaquah Connect</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/12/31/the-politics-of-discovery-the-case-of-the-lesula/comment-page-1/#comment-561450</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[September 24-28, 2012: World 101, week 2 (culture and human rights) - HONORS WORLD STUDIES - Ms. Sibbett&#039;s World Studies - Issaquah Connect]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] your daily journal, read monkey discovery article and this critique of it. Then answer these questions: Why are scientists using the word &quot;discovered&quot; if lots of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] your daily journal, read monkey discovery article and this critique of it. Then answer these questions: Why are scientists using the word &quot;discovered&quot; if lots of [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t disagree about subscription fees, but that&#039;s a situation in rapid flux.  Witness the recent massive boycott of Elsevier, and the fact that this very paper was published in PLoS ONE.  I don&#039;t know how much that has to do with the quality of science journalism, though.

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Also, there&#039;s the issue of many scientific disciplines becoming so 
precise and specialized that their jargon is impenetrable to other 
scientists from different fields.


So it&#039;s not so easy to pay attention to &quot;real&quot; scientific literature 
in within a given field if one is not a scientist currently working in 
that field.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you proposing that research scientists should write papers at a level of prose that could be published in the NYT?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree about subscription fees, but that&#8217;s a situation in rapid flux.  Witness the recent massive boycott of Elsevier, and the fact that this very paper was published in PLoS ONE.  I don&#8217;t know how much that has to do with the quality of science journalism, though.</p>
<blockquote><p>
Also, there&#8217;s the issue of many scientific disciplines becoming so<br />
precise and specialized that their jargon is impenetrable to other<br />
scientists from different fields.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s not so easy to pay attention to &#8220;real&#8221; scientific literature<br />
in within a given field if one is not a scientist currently working in<br />
that field.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you proposing that research scientists should write papers at a level of prose that could be published in the NYT?</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Modern scientific theories more accurately describe the physical world than the folk theories which preceded them.  Yes or no?  That&#039;s all I&#039;m talking about here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modern scientific theories more accurately describe the physical world than the folk theories which preceded them.  Yes or no?  That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m talking about here.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The first is simply that some claims are true and some are false, which is reason enough to prefer [true claims to] claims that are false&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The first is simply that some claims are true and some are false, which is reason enough to prefer [true claims to] claims that are false</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This reply seems so divorced from any point I&#039;ve actually made that I&#039;m unsure whether replying to it will be worthwhile.  I hope my doubts are unfounded.

You seem to presume that I take an &quot;arrogant&quot; and &quot;dismissive&quot; view of other cultures, without ever showing us where I have done this.  In point of fact, the inhabitants of non-industrialized cultures are often quite knowledgeable about a sort of &quot;folk biology&quot;, a body of facts and heuristics helpful for figuring out what to eat, how to obtain it, and (less reliably) what to do in case of illness.  Often, but not always, linguistic terms also track genetic relationships when they can be inferred from visual taxonomy.  I have said this before.

The remainder of your comment seems to be driven by some reflexive desire to defend the honor of indigenous peoples--or really, some romanticized ideal of indigenous peoples--against imagined slights.  In doing so, you run a real risk of condescension towards the very groups you feel obligated (for reasons which remain unclear to me) to defend.  Indigenous people are typically highly capable at navigating and coping with their environments, but it is farcical to compare wilderness survival training to modern molecular biology.  Molecular biology &lt;i&gt;explains&lt;/i&gt; why quinine works, but knowing that a certain tree bark sometimes prevents infection does not help to predict or explain the mechanism of other antibiotics that may be present in the environment, let alone to &lt;i&gt;synthesize&lt;/i&gt; novel drugs.

Suggesting that the truth of claims about the natural world is a function of a given culture&#039;s interests, cause it&#039;s all relative man, is mistaken for several reasons.  The first is simply that some claims are true and some are false, which is reason enough to prefer claims that are false.  Molecular biology is the way things are, whether you believe it or not.  It is true that plague is caused by bacteria, and false that is caused by an angry god, and so on.

Secondly, scientific theories that accurately describe the world tend to be useful no matter what your interests are, by virtue of the fact that they are true.  You mention atomic bombs as an example of the misuse of science.  I agree that atomic weapons are deplorable, but you cannot simultaneously believe that (1) scientific accounts of physical phenomena are not &quot;more accurate&quot; than folk accounts, and (2) condemn scientists and engineers for using their highly accurate theories to build highly effective bombs!  If nuclear physics is not more accurate than the folk concept of matter, it is a miracle that an atom bomb could ever have worked in the first place.  Show me a folk theory which predicts under what conditions fissile materials will undergo chain reactions.

Thirdly, your descriptions of the interests and attitudes of indigenous cultures are unrecognizable to me.  The idea that native peoples just want to appreciate
&lt;blockquote&gt; the local ecosystem in a holistic sense of understanding its interconnectedness with the other flora and fauna &lt;/blockquote&gt;

is just the 19th century conceit of the Noble Savage.  Paleolithic cultures are not abject hellholes, and their inhabitants are not stupid.  It remains false, however, that they demonstrate any particular interest in &quot;holistic ecosystems&quot; and &quot;interconnectedness&quot;.  Those are just words that sound nice.  In fact, human migration has been associated with the collapse of autochthonous megafauna throughout pre-history, and plenty of groovy paleolithic societies have run themselves into the ground through environmental mis-management.  Being serious about paleolithic cultures requires us to refrain from patronizing them.

The rest of your comment is merely a list of abuses of technology, which by the argument above actually &lt;i&gt;supports&lt;/i&gt; the claim that scientific theories more accurately describe reality than folk theories, rather than undermines it.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reply seems so divorced from any point I&#8217;ve actually made that I&#8217;m unsure whether replying to it will be worthwhile.  I hope my doubts are unfounded.</p>
<p>You seem to presume that I take an &#8220;arrogant&#8221; and &#8220;dismissive&#8221; view of other cultures, without ever showing us where I have done this.  In point of fact, the inhabitants of non-industrialized cultures are often quite knowledgeable about a sort of &#8220;folk biology&#8221;, a body of facts and heuristics helpful for figuring out what to eat, how to obtain it, and (less reliably) what to do in case of illness.  Often, but not always, linguistic terms also track genetic relationships when they can be inferred from visual taxonomy.  I have said this before.</p>
<p>The remainder of your comment seems to be driven by some reflexive desire to defend the honor of indigenous peoples&#8211;or really, some romanticized ideal of indigenous peoples&#8211;against imagined slights.  In doing so, you run a real risk of condescension towards the very groups you feel obligated (for reasons which remain unclear to me) to defend.  Indigenous people are typically highly capable at navigating and coping with their environments, but it is farcical to compare wilderness survival training to modern molecular biology.  Molecular biology <i>explains</i> why quinine works, but knowing that a certain tree bark sometimes prevents infection does not help to predict or explain the mechanism of other antibiotics that may be present in the environment, let alone to <i>synthesize</i> novel drugs.</p>
<p>Suggesting that the truth of claims about the natural world is a function of a given culture&#8217;s interests, cause it&#8217;s all relative man, is mistaken for several reasons.  The first is simply that some claims are true and some are false, which is reason enough to prefer claims that are false.  Molecular biology is the way things are, whether you believe it or not.  It is true that plague is caused by bacteria, and false that is caused by an angry god, and so on.</p>
<p>Secondly, scientific theories that accurately describe the world tend to be useful no matter what your interests are, by virtue of the fact that they are true.  You mention atomic bombs as an example of the misuse of science.  I agree that atomic weapons are deplorable, but you cannot simultaneously believe that (1) scientific accounts of physical phenomena are not &#8220;more accurate&#8221; than folk accounts, and (2) condemn scientists and engineers for using their highly accurate theories to build highly effective bombs!  If nuclear physics is not more accurate than the folk concept of matter, it is a miracle that an atom bomb could ever have worked in the first place.  Show me a folk theory which predicts under what conditions fissile materials will undergo chain reactions.</p>
<p>Thirdly, your descriptions of the interests and attitudes of indigenous cultures are unrecognizable to me.  The idea that native peoples just want to appreciate</p>
<blockquote><p> the local ecosystem in a holistic sense of understanding its interconnectedness with the other flora and fauna </p></blockquote>
<p>is just the 19th century conceit of the Noble Savage.  Paleolithic cultures are not abject hellholes, and their inhabitants are not stupid.  It remains false, however, that they demonstrate any particular interest in &#8220;holistic ecosystems&#8221; and &#8220;interconnectedness&#8221;.  Those are just words that sound nice.  In fact, human migration has been associated with the collapse of autochthonous megafauna throughout pre-history, and plenty of groovy paleolithic societies have run themselves into the ground through environmental mis-management.  Being serious about paleolithic cultures requires us to refrain from patronizing them.</p>
<p>The rest of your comment is merely a list of abuses of technology, which by the argument above actually <i>supports</i> the claim that scientific theories more accurately describe reality than folk theories, rather than undermines it.</p>
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		<title>By: Can Anyone Discover Anything? &#171; differenttogether</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Can Anyone Discover Anything? &#171; differenttogether]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] just been teaching about Columbus and his discovery of America, I was amused to find this piece on the discovery of a new species of monkey.  It seems that scientists identified a new species of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] just been teaching about Columbus and his discovery of America, I was amused to find this piece on the discovery of a new species of monkey.  It seems that scientists identified a new species of [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: TMK</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TMK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 07:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed. The problem was not that Columbus discovered America (which, by and large, is true, he discovered America for Europe and, later most of the Old World, Native Americans and earlier Norse knowledge nonwithstanding), what&#039;s the problem is what followed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. The problem was not that Columbus discovered America (which, by and large, is true, he discovered America for Europe and, later most of the Old World, Native Americans and earlier Norse knowledge nonwithstanding), what&#8217;s the problem is what followed.</p>
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		<title>By: Azrhey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Azrhey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 04:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve always taken &quot;COlumbus discovered America&quot; to mean the same thing as &quot;I discovered a great sushi place around the corner&quot;. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always taken &#8220;COlumbus discovered America&#8221; to mean the same thing as &#8220;I discovered a great sushi place around the corner&#8221;. </p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be honest I was reacting more to your rather imperial and arrogant dismissal of Anna&#039;s argument and the implication that somehow your opinion is self-evidently more objective and representative. 

For the rest, I think the central issue is not what is specifically meant by the term &quot;discovery&quot; (which I maintain does not in itself imply universal lack of prior knowledge), but rather the entire context in which Columbus&#039;s landing in America is tranditionally framed by western historians or more broadly western culture&#039;s tendency to frame all historical events in reference to itself. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest I was reacting more to your rather imperial and arrogant dismissal of Anna&#8217;s argument and the implication that somehow your opinion is self-evidently more objective and representative. </p>
<p>For the rest, I think the central issue is not what is specifically meant by the term &#8220;discovery&#8221; (which I maintain does not in itself imply universal lack of prior knowledge), but rather the entire context in which Columbus&#8217;s landing in America is tranditionally framed by western historians or more broadly western culture&#8217;s tendency to frame all historical events in reference to itself. </p>
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		<title>By: Tusconian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tusconian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Yes, my mind,  Which is why I am the one who wrote the article, and every single one of the hundreds (or more) articles that have ever addressed this issue, and also every comment agreeing with them.  

And I mentioned the difference in using the term colloquially or with a somewhat different inflection, so I&#039;m not sure why people are working themselves up as if I implied any use should be banned that doesn&#039;t fit one definition.  People really like to talk about how people complaining (or in this case, using their brains a little bit and thinking about) social occurrances are just &quot;looking to be angry,&quot; but I&#039;m trying to see how completely disregarding what was written to make a hyperbolic statement isn&#039;t &quot;looking to be angry.&quot;

And frankly, what you say about &quot;the speaker&quot; and framing the discovery in reference to yourself?  DOES change the implications.  If Christopher Columbus himself rises from the grave and says &quot;when I discovered I&#039;d landed on a new continent....&quot; there is a very different implication being conveyed there than when history books across the world say &quot;when Christopher Columbus discovered America in 1492.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Yes, my mind,  Which is why I am the one who wrote the article, and every single one of the hundreds (or more) articles that have ever addressed this issue, and also every comment agreeing with them.  </p>
<p>And I mentioned the difference in using the term colloquially or with a somewhat different inflection, so I&#8217;m not sure why people are working themselves up as if I implied any use should be banned that doesn&#8217;t fit one definition.  People really like to talk about how people complaining (or in this case, using their brains a little bit and thinking about) social occurrances are just &#8220;looking to be angry,&#8221; but I&#8217;m trying to see how completely disregarding what was written to make a hyperbolic statement isn&#8217;t &#8220;looking to be angry.&#8221;</p>
<p>And frankly, what you say about &#8220;the speaker&#8221; and framing the discovery in reference to yourself?  DOES change the implications.  If Christopher Columbus himself rises from the grave and says &#8220;when I discovered I&#8217;d landed on a new continent&#8230;.&#8221; there is a very different implication being conveyed there than when history books across the world say &#8220;when Christopher Columbus discovered America in 1492.&#8221;</p>
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