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	<title>Comments on: From Appearance to Identity: How Census Data Collection Changed Race in America</title>
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		<title>By: The Hispanic or Latino Thread - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes ShopForum</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Hispanic or Latino Thread - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes ShopForum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] in America increased (as did the number of American Indians, who could now self-identify). Eighty percent of Puerto Ricans identified themselves as white when in previous censuses only 40% ha&#8230;. And thus... the need for a term like &quot;hispanic&quot; was born and came into use under the [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] in America increased (as did the number of American Indians, who could now self-identify). Eighty percent of Puerto Ricans identified themselves as white when in previous censuses only 40% ha&#8230;. And thus&#8230; the need for a term like &quot;hispanic&quot; was born and came into use under the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Weekend Blog Hog: News We Think You Should Know &#124; Eunoic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Weekend Blog Hog: News We Think You Should Know &#124; Eunoic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 17:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] an interesting historical breakdown of how race changed when the United States&#8217; Census moved from data-takers to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] an interesting historical breakdown of how race changed when the United States&#8217; Census moved from data-takers to [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Pinkcherries</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pinkcherries]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Yup, and the same thing happened with the census, once they started shifting how they defined race, suddenly it would increase one over another:

&quot;As early as the 1820 U.S. Census, the &quot;Free Coloreds&quot; category was used to identify a tri-racial population in Appalachia known as Melungeons. It is generally thought that Melungeons are of white, black, and Native American ancestry (Montell, 1972; Lipsey, 1977). Genealogists who traced the family trees of Melungeons found that their racial classification varied from census to census. In other words, a family may have been listed as &quot;white&quot; in 1790, &quot;Free Colored&quot; in 1820, and &quot;Mulatto&quot; in 1850 (Rowe, 2009).&quot;

&quot;In 1970, racial classification on the Census changed from enumerator identification to self-identification. This change had a relatively minor impact on the count of racial and ethnic groups in 1970 compared to 1960. However, it created a situation that led to significant changes in counts during subsequent years. This methodological shift proved to be especially influential for American Indians. During the period between 1960 and the end of the 20th century, the size of the American Indian population as measured by the Census increased much more than could be accounted for by migration or births (Eschbach, 1993; Nagel, 1996). This increase was because persons whom enumerators had previously identified as being of another race began self-identifying as American Indian and, after 1970, there was increased self-identification as American Indian by those who earlier self-identified or were identified by their parents as being in some other group (Nagel, 1996).&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Yup, and the same thing happened with the census, once they started shifting how they defined race, suddenly it would increase one over another:</p>
<p>&#8220;As early as the 1820 U.S. Census, the &#8220;Free Coloreds&#8221; category was used to identify a tri-racial population in Appalachia known as Melungeons. It is generally thought that Melungeons are of white, black, and Native American ancestry (Montell, 1972; Lipsey, 1977). Genealogists who traced the family trees of Melungeons found that their racial classification varied from census to census. In other words, a family may have been listed as &#8220;white&#8221; in 1790, &#8220;Free Colored&#8221; in 1820, and &#8220;Mulatto&#8221; in 1850 (Rowe, 2009).&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;In 1970, racial classification on the Census changed from enumerator identification to self-identification. This change had a relatively minor impact on the count of racial and ethnic groups in 1970 compared to 1960. However, it created a situation that led to significant changes in counts during subsequent years. This methodological shift proved to be especially influential for American Indians. During the period between 1960 and the end of the 20th century, the size of the American Indian population as measured by the Census increased much more than could be accounted for by migration or births (Eschbach, 1993; Nagel, 1996). This increase was because persons whom enumerators had previously identified as being of another race began self-identifying as American Indian and, after 1970, there was increased self-identification as American Indian by those who earlier self-identified or were identified by their parents as being in some other group (Nagel, 1996).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Census Data &#171; Indigenous Studies @ William and Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Census Data &#171; Indigenous Studies @ William and Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Reynolds forward this to me yesterday.  Note especially the shifting constructions of race after the mail-in survey [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Reynolds forward this to me yesterday.  Note especially the shifting constructions of race after the mail-in survey [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melinda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope so.  I&#039;m mixed race and trying to identify on some forms is insane.  On the Census, I can check all that apply, but on others, I have to choose one, which sometimes means choosing to be identified as &quot;Other,&quot; a bit of a semantic irony.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope so.  I&#8217;m mixed race and trying to identify on some forms is insane.  On the Census, I can check all that apply, but on others, I have to choose one, which sometimes means choosing to be identified as &#8220;Other,&#8221; a bit of a semantic irony.</p>
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		<title>By: Lunad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lunad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ thank you for an interesting discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> thank you for an interesting discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Umlud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Umlud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your cogent answers. I recognized after the fact that my responses were more emotive than I had meant to make them. Thanks again for your cogent answers.

I hope that it is understandable why I might - as a multi-racial individual - find this topic close to my heart, but in reading your comments, the data analyst in me finds agreement in what you state (although I didn&#039;t initially agree with how it was stated, and it still does rankle me, but for reasons that go beyond the point of methodology of and theory about data analysis).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your cogent answers. I recognized after the fact that my responses were more emotive than I had meant to make them. Thanks again for your cogent answers.</p>
<p>I hope that it is understandable why I might &#8211; as a multi-racial individual &#8211; find this topic close to my heart, but in reading your comments, the data analyst in me finds agreement in what you state (although I didn&#8217;t initially agree with how it was stated, and it still does rankle me, but for reasons that go beyond the point of methodology of and theory about data analysis).</p>
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		<title>By: Lunad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lunad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I stated above, in my first post, multi-racial designations are useful and important for those who are studying race, but less so for those who are simply studying institutional and structural inequality in all the forms it takes.  Yes, a good researcher will muddy the waters and problematize categories, but I think there is a time and a place for that.  If the question I am trying to answer is &quot;do black children get bullied more in school than whites, or Hispanics, or Asians?&quot;, then it is not necessary to look at all possible other categories to draw a meaningful comparison.

And, actually, that is my job: I digest data so that other people can draw conclusions on causes and effects, or find interesting discrepancies for further research. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I stated above, in my first post, multi-racial designations are useful and important for those who are studying race, but less so for those who are simply studying institutional and structural inequality in all the forms it takes.  Yes, a good researcher will muddy the waters and problematize categories, but I think there is a time and a place for that.  If the question I am trying to answer is &#8220;do black children get bullied more in school than whites, or Hispanics, or Asians?&#8221;, then it is not necessary to look at all possible other categories to draw a meaningful comparison.</p>
<p>And, actually, that is my job: I digest data so that other people can draw conclusions on causes and effects, or find interesting discrepancies for further research. </p>
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		<title>By: Lunad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lunad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 01:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am and always have been for allowing more variety in the Census reporting.  You do need a balance, though, or the data becomes unusable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am and always have been for allowing more variety in the Census reporting.  You do need a balance, though, or the data becomes unusable.</p>
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		<title>By: Umlud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Umlud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you know how indentured servants were classified? They were, after all, neither free nor slaves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know how indentured servants were classified? They were, after all, neither free nor slaves.</p>
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		<title>By: Umlud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Umlud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that this might happen in successive decades among multi-racial citizens, too. With an option of being something other than &quot;only race X&quot;, then it makes the conversation about identity more nuanced - and in a good way (in my current opinion).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this might happen in successive decades among multi-racial citizens, too. With an option of being something other than &#8220;only race X&#8221;, then it makes the conversation about identity more nuanced &#8211; and in a good way (in my current opinion).</p>
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		<title>By: Umlud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Umlud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a side note, if you have a Disqus profile, you should be able to edit your comments. It&#039;s one of the few things that I do like about Disqus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a side note, if you have a Disqus profile, you should be able to edit your comments. It&#8217;s one of the few things that I do like about Disqus.</p>
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		<title>By: Umlud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Umlud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with all the points that you mention (race is social construction; races have multiple categories that can be broken down or broken up in different ways; lumping occurs of groups who don&#039;t want to be lumped). However, other than for allowing for a longitudinal assessment (even if we assume that definitions of race don&#039;t themselves shift over time - which we know is not true, but still, let&#039;s assume that they don&#039;t), what is the justification of what amounts to throwing out the multi-racials?

Why not have a census form in which people self report ethnicities other than Hispanic, because the points you make about identity are valid. The points you make seem to argue more for allowing for greater amounts of race and ethnicity selection, not for maintaining the current set.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all the points that you mention (race is social construction; races have multiple categories that can be broken down or broken up in different ways; lumping occurs of groups who don&#8217;t want to be lumped). However, other than for allowing for a longitudinal assessment (even if we assume that definitions of race don&#8217;t themselves shift over time &#8211; which we know is not true, but still, let&#8217;s assume that they don&#8217;t), what is the justification of what amounts to throwing out the multi-racials?</p>
<p>Why not have a census form in which people self report ethnicities other than Hispanic, because the points you make about identity are valid. The points you make seem to argue more for allowing for greater amounts of race and ethnicity selection, not for maintaining the current set.</p>
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		<title>By: Umlud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Umlud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps I was unclear before.  If you, or anyone, truly feels that no single racial category fits you, it makes perfect sense for you to be in the &quot;other&quot; category.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Why are you &quot;othering&quot; me by default? I ask the question half in jest, but I&#039;d like to point out &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; choice of language here that implies that I am not really &quot;one of the population&quot;. (Yes, I know that &quot;OTHER&quot; is a choice on the form, but it is problematic in many ways to use that categorization.) I am not &quot;other&quot; any more than African Americans are &quot;other&quot;; than Native Americans are &quot;other&quot;; than Asian Americans are &quot;other&quot;; than any &quot;other&quot; group is &quot;other.&quot;

Yes, yes, yes, I understand the point about statistical significance. Yes, I understand the difference between population assessments (in which a very small group is insignificant) versus individual assessments. (in which a very small group might well be the point of study and, therefore, significant). Yes, I understand that multi-racial self-description is a relatively new thing, and I understand that one might not really understand how to assess these major changes in data quality. Yes, I understand that &quot;multi-racial&quot; might not be something that people associate with (perhaps, not &lt;i&gt;yet&lt;/i&gt; associate themselves with) at the national level.

However, disregarding the regional associations and reporting of multi-racial (especially along the Pacific coast) would mean that disregarding this group will create a problematic spatial assessment. Yes, it&#039;s problematic when trying to determine what a person means when one says &quot;multi-racial&quot; (since our conversation about race and identity is - imo - somewhat stunted in the US), but is that assessment your job? (I don&#039;t know if it is; surely, coming up with explanations from the data will need to have some insight, but what I&#039;m asking is if it is your job to - prior to doing the assessment - your job to determine what people mean when they mark &quot;multi-racial&quot; any more than try to determine what people mean when thy mark &quot;African American&quot; or some other group?)

This re-iteration of many of the points and arguments that I inevitably have with people when it comes to multi-racial identity is one of the major reasons why I hate racial classifications: they are arbitrary, capricious, and don&#039;t adequately serve the goals of demographers and populations that are part of the current &quot;other&quot;. Maybe demographers will have to add several more categories that will likely get populated as more people have inter-racial marriages, as more people become willing to accept a multi-racial identity, and as the regional acceptances of multi-racial identity expand to other parts of the nation.

Finally, &quot;multi-racial&quot; might not be a significant national population in terms of absolute number, but what is the attribute data for these different multi-racial groups? Does a comparison between multi-racial groups show interesting points of regional, social, economic, etc. contrast? (I.e., these questions aren&#039;t ones that require an assessment of the national population. Are you going to still say that multi-racial groups aren&#039;t significant when these sorts of questions render invalid your - completely valid - statement of non-significance of multi-racial individuals in the population?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Perhaps I was unclear before.  If you, or anyone, truly feels that no single racial category fits you, it makes perfect sense for you to be in the &#8220;other&#8221; category.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why are you &#8220;othering&#8221; me by default? I ask the question half in jest, but I&#8217;d like to point out <i>your</i> choice of language here that implies that I am not really &#8220;one of the population&#8221;. (Yes, I know that &#8220;OTHER&#8221; is a choice on the form, but it is problematic in many ways to use that categorization.) I am not &#8220;other&#8221; any more than African Americans are &#8220;other&#8221;; than Native Americans are &#8220;other&#8221;; than Asian Americans are &#8220;other&#8221;; than any &#8220;other&#8221; group is &#8220;other.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, yes, yes, I understand the point about statistical significance. Yes, I understand the difference between population assessments (in which a very small group is insignificant) versus individual assessments. (in which a very small group might well be the point of study and, therefore, significant). Yes, I understand that multi-racial self-description is a relatively new thing, and I understand that one might not really understand how to assess these major changes in data quality. Yes, I understand that &#8220;multi-racial&#8221; might not be something that people associate with (perhaps, not <i>yet</i> associate themselves with) at the national level.</p>
<p>However, disregarding the regional associations and reporting of multi-racial (especially along the Pacific coast) would mean that disregarding this group will create a problematic spatial assessment. Yes, it&#8217;s problematic when trying to determine what a person means when one says &#8220;multi-racial&#8221; (since our conversation about race and identity is &#8211; imo &#8211; somewhat stunted in the US), but is that assessment your job? (I don&#8217;t know if it is; surely, coming up with explanations from the data will need to have some insight, but what I&#8217;m asking is if it is your job to &#8211; prior to doing the assessment &#8211; your job to determine what people mean when they mark &#8220;multi-racial&#8221; any more than try to determine what people mean when thy mark &#8220;African American&#8221; or some other group?)</p>
<p>This re-iteration of many of the points and arguments that I inevitably have with people when it comes to multi-racial identity is one of the major reasons why I hate racial classifications: they are arbitrary, capricious, and don&#8217;t adequately serve the goals of demographers and populations that are part of the current &#8220;other&#8221;. Maybe demographers will have to add several more categories that will likely get populated as more people have inter-racial marriages, as more people become willing to accept a multi-racial identity, and as the regional acceptances of multi-racial identity expand to other parts of the nation.</p>
<p>Finally, &#8220;multi-racial&#8221; might not be a significant national population in terms of absolute number, but what is the attribute data for these different multi-racial groups? Does a comparison between multi-racial groups show interesting points of regional, social, economic, etc. contrast? (I.e., these questions aren&#8217;t ones that require an assessment of the national population. Are you going to still say that multi-racial groups aren&#8217;t significant when these sorts of questions render invalid your &#8211; completely valid &#8211; statement of non-significance of multi-racial individuals in the population?)</p>
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		<title>By: Lunad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lunad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a Census form or a survey is not the same as real life.  All data must be simplified in some ways or in others.  For instance, Hispanics are almost always lumped together, but Central Americans, Mexicans, and Puerto Ricans are very different.  Similarly, the &quot;Asian&quot; category includes Chinese and people from the Indian Sub-Continent.  

Races are socially constructed categories.  There will always be ways to break them down further, or break them up in different ways.  Identities are as numerous as the number of people in this world.

When you fill out the form, it is always a matter of lumping some people together who wouldn&#039;t want to be in the same category.  If the American Census was conducted in Israel, Jewish Israelis, Arab Israelis, and Palestinians would all be lumped together as &quot;white&quot;.  The only possible ethnicities are Hispanic or &quot;Not Hispanic&quot;.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a Census form or a survey is not the same as real life.  All data must be simplified in some ways or in others.  For instance, Hispanics are almost always lumped together, but Central Americans, Mexicans, and Puerto Ricans are very different.  Similarly, the &#8220;Asian&#8221; category includes Chinese and people from the Indian Sub-Continent.  </p>
<p>Races are socially constructed categories.  There will always be ways to break them down further, or break them up in different ways.  Identities are as numerous as the number of people in this world.</p>
<p>When you fill out the form, it is always a matter of lumping some people together who wouldn&#8217;t want to be in the same category.  If the American Census was conducted in Israel, Jewish Israelis, Arab Israelis, and Palestinians would all be lumped together as &#8220;white&#8221;.  The only possible ethnicities are Hispanic or &#8220;Not Hispanic&#8221;.  </p>
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