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		<title>By: Justin Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin Nelson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ But remember that it&#039;s not per region, it&#039;s on a per-district basis. While there are certainly several competitive parties in any given region, I&#039;m of the impression (although I don&#039;t have the data to confirm) that there are few ridings where three parties are competitive. Note also that &quot;regularly gets votes&quot; doesn&#039;t equal &quot;competitive.&quot; There are places in Vancouver, for example, where the Conservatives regularly get 10-20% of the vote, but only the Liberals and NDP are actually in any position to win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> But remember that it&#8217;s not per region, it&#8217;s on a per-district basis. While there are certainly several competitive parties in any given region, I&#8217;m of the impression (although I don&#8217;t have the data to confirm) that there are few ridings where three parties are competitive. Note also that &#8220;regularly gets votes&#8221; doesn&#8217;t equal &#8220;competitive.&#8221; There are places in Vancouver, for example, where the Conservatives regularly get 10-20% of the vote, but only the Liberals and NDP are actually in any position to win.</p>
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		<title>By: Skalchemist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skalchemist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 20:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s two parties per district, per se.  In many it is three; Conservatives, Liberals, and NDP in Ontario and elsewhere, Conservatives, Liberals/NDP (It switched last election due to scandal) and PQ in Quebec.

I admit that while I understand the PQ (even if I may not agree with them), as an American I am mystified by the NDP/Liberal split.  It really seems like an accident of history to me, and I am surprised it hasn&#039;t been crushed by the exact forces that are described in the video.  But the fact is it hasn&#039;t.  The party faithful of those two parties have a tremendous reservoirs of bad feeling for each other, it seems, and until those reservoirs run dry they will continue to oppose each other even at what seems like a high cost to the cause of the left as a whole in Canadian politics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s two parties per district, per se.  In many it is three; Conservatives, Liberals, and NDP in Ontario and elsewhere, Conservatives, Liberals/NDP (It switched last election due to scandal) and PQ in Quebec.</p>
<p>I admit that while I understand the PQ (even if I may not agree with them), as an American I am mystified by the NDP/Liberal split.  It really seems like an accident of history to me, and I am surprised it hasn&#8217;t been crushed by the exact forces that are described in the video.  But the fact is it hasn&#8217;t.  The party faithful of those two parties have a tremendous reservoirs of bad feeling for each other, it seems, and until those reservoirs run dry they will continue to oppose each other even at what seems like a high cost to the cause of the left as a whole in Canadian politics.</p>
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		<title>By: seanpodge</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seanpodge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think the intent was to contrast the US system with systems such as 
the German one where voters cast two votes, one that is calculated 
according to a FPTP system and the other which is calculated 
proportionally and used to even out skewed results that arise from FPTP.&quot;

Possibly, although it is still going against what the principle of one vote one value means, which is a reaction to earlier voting systems which gave extra votes to landowners or those who paid higher tax bills, for example. This isn&#039;t the issue in your German example since each voter&#039;s vote is of equal value to all other voters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think the intent was to contrast the US system with systems such as<br />
the German one where voters cast two votes, one that is calculated<br />
according to a FPTP system and the other which is calculated<br />
proportionally and used to even out skewed results that arise from FPTP.&#8221;</p>
<p>Possibly, although it is still going against what the principle of one vote one value means, which is a reaction to earlier voting systems which gave extra votes to landowners or those who paid higher tax bills, for example. This isn&#8217;t the issue in your German example since each voter&#8217;s vote is of equal value to all other voters.</p>
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		<title>By: decius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[decius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 05:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the challenge: Make range voting better in practice than Plurality-at-large voting for one seat, where every person is permitted to vote for or against each candidate separately; the candidate with the most votes for wins.Arrow&#039;s does not apply, since there is only one candidate and he does not need more than 50% of people to vote for him; nor is preference among a single voter transitive. (Therefore the results are not guaranteed to have a winner.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the challenge: Make range voting better in practice than Plurality-at-large voting for one seat, where every person is permitted to vote for or against each candidate separately; the candidate with the most votes for wins.Arrow&#8217;s does not apply, since there is only one candidate and he does not need more than 50% of people to vote for him; nor is preference among a single voter transitive. (Therefore the results are not guaranteed to have a winner.)</p>
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		<title>By: elohimessaim</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/11/04/the-mathematics-of-electoral-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-563955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[elohimessaim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[decius:
Again, your original comment is technically correct: if you only look at the *ordering* of candidates and not the *intensity of preferences*, all sorts of contradictions are possible. But, if you consider intensity of preferences to be meaningful, the situation changes.

In particular, between states 1 and 2, &quot;AB&quot; increase their preference of &quot;c&quot; over &quot;b&quot; from 2 to 4 points; meanwhile &quot;CDE&quot; decrease their preference of &quot;b&quot; over &quot;c&quot; from 4 to 2 points. There is no change in *ordering* between states 1 and 2, but there is a substantial change in *intensity of preferences*. So, of course this is a huge improvement for &quot;c&quot; over &quot;b&quot;.

Whether or not &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arrow&#039;s impossibility theorem&lt;/a&gt; applies to range voting depends on the exact formulation; notably, the Wikipedia article says it doesn&#039;t. (See the subsection on &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem#Rated_voting_systems_and_other_approaches&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cardinal voting&lt;/a&gt;.) I misunderstood your original comment when I first posted, and I was going by the version of Arrow&#039;s impossibility theorem on Wikipedia.

It&#039;s my understanding that Arrow started by ignoring range voting, hence the theorem doesn&#039;t apply. For what it&#039;s worth, I have exactly zero interest in arguing over how to &quot;properly&quot; apply the theorem to range voting, though I think your generalization is perfectly reasonable.

Anyway, again, your original comment is correct. (I dropped the &quot;technically&quot; for you as a compromise!) I just wanted to give readers something to think about.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>decius:<br />
Again, your original comment is technically correct: if you only look at the *ordering* of candidates and not the *intensity of preferences*, all sorts of contradictions are possible. But, if you consider intensity of preferences to be meaningful, the situation changes.</p>
<p>In particular, between states 1 and 2, &#8220;AB&#8221; increase their preference of &#8220;c&#8221; over &#8220;b&#8221; from 2 to 4 points; meanwhile &#8220;CDE&#8221; decrease their preference of &#8220;b&#8221; over &#8220;c&#8221; from 4 to 2 points. There is no change in *ordering* between states 1 and 2, but there is a substantial change in *intensity of preferences*. So, of course this is a huge improvement for &#8220;c&#8221; over &#8220;b&#8221;.</p>
<p>Whether or not <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem" rel="nofollow">Arrow&#8217;s impossibility theorem</a> applies to range voting depends on the exact formulation; notably, the Wikipedia article says it doesn&#8217;t. (See the subsection on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem#Rated_voting_systems_and_other_approaches" rel="nofollow">cardinal voting</a>.) I misunderstood your original comment when I first posted, and I was going by the version of Arrow&#8217;s impossibility theorem on Wikipedia.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my understanding that Arrow started by ignoring range voting, hence the theorem doesn&#8217;t apply. For what it&#8217;s worth, I have exactly zero interest in arguing over how to &#8220;properly&#8221; apply the theorem to range voting, though I think your generalization is perfectly reasonable.</p>
<p>Anyway, again, your original comment is correct. (I dropped the &#8220;technically&#8221; for you as a compromise!) I just wanted to give readers something to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: decius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[decius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Range voting in the typical implementation fails either the unrestricted domain or the independence of irrelevant alternatives test. Arrow&#039;s impossibility applies. 

Consider the following two conditions of five voters ABCDE voting on the three candidates abc, using either unrestricted or restricted range voting:

State 1
  a  b  c
A 1  3  5
B 1  3  5 
C 3  5  1
D 3  5  1
E 3  5  1
tl11 21 13
Ranking bca

State 2
  a  b  c
A 3  1  5
B 3  1  5 
C 5  3  1
D 5  3  1
E 5  3  1
tl21 11 13
ranking acb

Nobody&#039;s preference changed with regard to their relative preference of c and b (AB prefer c to b, CDE prefer b to c) nor did anyone change on the relative merits of a and c. Yet the overall totals changed from b&gt;c&gt;a to a&gt;c&gt;b.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Range voting in the typical implementation fails either the unrestricted domain or the independence of irrelevant alternatives test. Arrow&#8217;s impossibility applies. </p>
<p>Consider the following two conditions of five voters ABCDE voting on the three candidates abc, using either unrestricted or restricted range voting:</p>
<p>State 1<br />
  a  b  c<br />
A 1  3  5<br />
B 1  3  5<br />
C 3  5  1<br />
D 3  5  1<br />
E 3  5  1<br />
tl11 21 13<br />
Ranking bca</p>
<p>State 2<br />
  a  b  c<br />
A 3  1  5<br />
B 3  1  5<br />
C 5  3  1<br />
D 5  3  1<br />
E 5  3  1<br />
tl21 11 13<br />
ranking acb</p>
<p>Nobody&#8217;s preference changed with regard to their relative preference of c and b (AB prefer c to b, CDE prefer b to c) nor did anyone change on the relative merits of a and c. Yet the overall totals changed from b&gt;c&gt;a to a&gt;c&gt;b.</p>
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		<title>By: elohimessaim</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/11/04/the-mathematics-of-electoral-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-563943</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[elohimessaim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Skalchemist:
You could be right. Certainly, first-past-the-post (FPTP) doesn&#039;t necessarily *cause* a two-party system to form. But, I think the point (&lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Duverger&#039;s law&lt;/a&gt;) is that FPTP tends to *entrench* a two-party system once it exists. In part, I think this is because how the issues are arranged depends on culture, media, and political parties, leading to a self-reinforcing system. The main exception seems to be regional two-party rule, with only two parties in each district. What do you think?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skalchemist:<br />
You could be right. Certainly, first-past-the-post (FPTP) doesn&#8217;t necessarily *cause* a two-party system to form. But, I think the point (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law" rel="nofollow">Duverger&#8217;s law</a>) is that FPTP tends to *entrench* a two-party system once it exists. In part, I think this is because how the issues are arranged depends on culture, media, and political parties, leading to a self-reinforcing system. The main exception seems to be regional two-party rule, with only two parties in each district. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: elohimessaim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[elohimessaim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[decius:
Your comment is technically true but misleading.

Arrow&#039;s impossibility theorem can be avoided using range voting (aka score voting). The idea is to score candidates like books on Amazon or athletes in the Olympics, and the candidate with the highest average score wins.

In your last line, you seem to be referring to the 
Gibbard–Satterthwaite theorem. It is true that no voting system is completely immune to tactical voting, but, range voting does much better than other voting systems. In particular, you can always safely give your favorite candidate the max score and basically always give your least favorite front-runner the lowest score. As a result, range voting can handle a 3-way election very well. Even if you have 4 or more front-runners, I think range voting is still clearly better than any other system.

Anyway, I&#039;ve spent several years studying voting systems as a hobby. My conclusion is that, for offices like president and governor, range voting (or some variant, like approval voting with a top-two runoff) is the only method that makes sense. Range voting would also be a huge improvement for legislative seats, though I think using a combination of proportional elections and citizen&#039;s juries would be better still.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>decius:<br />
Your comment is technically true but misleading.</p>
<p>Arrow&#8217;s impossibility theorem can be avoided using range voting (aka score voting). The idea is to score candidates like books on Amazon or athletes in the Olympics, and the candidate with the highest average score wins.</p>
<p>In your last line, you seem to be referring to the<br />
Gibbard–Satterthwaite theorem. It is true that no voting system is completely immune to tactical voting, but, range voting does much better than other voting systems. In particular, you can always safely give your favorite candidate the max score and basically always give your least favorite front-runner the lowest score. As a result, range voting can handle a 3-way election very well. Even if you have 4 or more front-runners, I think range voting is still clearly better than any other system.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ve spent several years studying voting systems as a hobby. My conclusion is that, for offices like president and governor, range voting (or some variant, like approval voting with a top-two runoff) is the only method that makes sense. Range voting would also be a huge improvement for legislative seats, though I think using a combination of proportional elections and citizen&#8217;s juries would be better still.</p>
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		<title>By: decius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[decius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note that there &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;proof&lt;/a&gt; that there is no voting system that meets four specific criteria that is capable of handling three or more options.

In general, those criteria are: 
No one individual controls the entire election.
It must always be able to rank every option, and those rankings must be deterministic on the voting.
&lt;i&gt;The preference of the people for owl over tiger and gorilla must not change the relative ranking of tiger and gorilla.&lt;/i&gt; (This is the major problem with FPTP) (Independence of irrelevant alternatives)
If everyone prefers one option to another, the preferred option must win.

This doesn&#039;t hinge on the difficulty of breaking ties, either: The proof is that there is somebody who can manipulate any system with the last three qualities to control the entire decision.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that there <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem" rel="nofollow">proof</a> that there is no voting system that meets four specific criteria that is capable of handling three or more options.</p>
<p>In general, those criteria are:<br />
No one individual controls the entire election.<br />
It must always be able to rank every option, and those rankings must be deterministic on the voting.<br />
<i>The preference of the people for owl over tiger and gorilla must not change the relative ranking of tiger and gorilla.</i> (This is the major problem with FPTP) (Independence of irrelevant alternatives)<br />
If everyone prefers one option to another, the preferred option must win.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t hinge on the difficulty of breaking ties, either: The proof is that there is somebody who can manipulate any system with the last three qualities to control the entire decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Die Tücken des Zweiparteiensystems &#171; kult&#124;prok</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Die Tücken des Zweiparteiensystems &#171; kult&#124;prok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Im Gegensatz zu Karl Poppers Gründen, die für ein Zweiparteiensystem sprechen sollen, habe ich noch immer meine Bedenken, das dies auch nur entfernt Vorzüge hat. Nur stütze ich mich dabei auf ein etwas vorgebildetes Bauchgefühl und krumme Analogien. Dass es anders geht, zeigt C. G. B. Grey in The Problems with First Past the Post Voting Explained [via]: [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Im Gegensatz zu Karl Poppers Gründen, die für ein Zweiparteiensystem sprechen sollen, habe ich noch immer meine Bedenken, das dies auch nur entfernt Vorzüge hat. Nur stütze ich mich dabei auf ein etwas vorgebildetes Bauchgefühl und krumme Analogien. Dass es anders geht, zeigt C. G. B. Grey in The Problems with First Past the Post Voting Explained [via]: [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Skalchemist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skalchemist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the general sentiment that first past the post leads to inevitable problems, especially the basic premise that leads paradoxically to a situation where the majority is almost never happy with the outcome.  

However, it is objectively not true that first past the post leads to a two party system.  Canada is the obvious exception, with four major parties.  There are two parties that would be the normal two parties in many other countries (Conservatives and Liberals), one party that exists due to regional concerns that trump the basic left/right spectrum (Parti Quebecois), and one party that exists due to, as far as this American expatriate in Canada can tell, an accident of history caused by some VERY hard feelings (the NDP).  

This leads me to conclude that two parties are inevitable only if the preponderance of the issues that drive how people vote can be arranged roughly on a single dimension.  If there are two or more dimensions involved (regional animosities, historical grudges, etc.), two parties are not inevitable.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the general sentiment that first past the post leads to inevitable problems, especially the basic premise that leads paradoxically to a situation where the majority is almost never happy with the outcome.  </p>
<p>However, it is objectively not true that first past the post leads to a two party system.  Canada is the obvious exception, with four major parties.  There are two parties that would be the normal two parties in many other countries (Conservatives and Liberals), one party that exists due to regional concerns that trump the basic left/right spectrum (Parti Quebecois), and one party that exists due to, as far as this American expatriate in Canada can tell, an accident of history caused by some VERY hard feelings (the NDP).  </p>
<p>This leads me to conclude that two parties are inevitable only if the preponderance of the issues that drive how people vote can be arranged roughly on a single dimension.  If there are two or more dimensions involved (regional animosities, historical grudges, etc.), two parties are not inevitable.  </p>
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		<title>By: Sartora</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sartora]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the intent was to contrast the US system with systems such as the German one where voters cast two votes, one that is calculated according to a FPTP system and the other which is calculated proportionally and used to even out skewed results that arise from FPTP.

Needless to say, though, &quot;one person, one vote&quot; need not have anything at all to do with FPTP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the intent was to contrast the US system with systems such as the German one where voters cast two votes, one that is calculated according to a FPTP system and the other which is calculated proportionally and used to even out skewed results that arise from FPTP.</p>
<p>Needless to say, though, &#8220;one person, one vote&#8221; need not have anything at all to do with FPTP.</p>
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		<title>By: Sartora</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sartora]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I found that wording quite jarring as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I found that wording quite jarring as well.</p>
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		<title>By: seanpodge</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/11/04/the-mathematics-of-electoral-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-563853</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seanpodge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One person one vote is not the problem! It&#039;s First Past The Post and single member electorates that are the issues when it comes to the cause of two party systems/duopolies. Not sure how anyone can seriously argue against one vote one value while also claiming to believe in democracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One person one vote is not the problem! It&#8217;s First Past The Post and single member electorates that are the issues when it comes to the cause of two party systems/duopolies. Not sure how anyone can seriously argue against one vote one value while also claiming to believe in democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Loy</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/11/04/the-mathematics-of-electoral-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-563829</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Loy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nonsense. Everyone knows Owl rules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense. Everyone knows Owl rules.</p>
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