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	<title>Comments on: Is it Possible to Go &#8220;Off the Grid&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: Scarlett Fairchild</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/06/18/is-it-possible-to-go-off-the-grid/comment-page-1/#comment-587760</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scarlett Fairchild]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2014 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marcuse said that it wasn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcuse said that it wasn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: RexSchrader</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/06/18/is-it-possible-to-go-off-the-grid/comment-page-1/#comment-587604</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RexSchrader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Feb 2014 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, you can do that.  But if everyone did it, there would be no computers/technology for you to rely on.

Realize that your ability to live in a house in the mountains is on the tail end of a supply chain that is literally the size of the planet.  Look at the clothing you wear, the food that you buy (cheaply and readily), and the items that furnish your mountain home - how many of them were locally made, vs. made in China?  How much did you pay for these items?


Arguably, by choosing to live so remotely you actually have a larger impact on the world because the infrastructure needed to supply you with power, sewage, and food is so much greater on a per-capita basis because you are so remote.



My point is that we, the well off and the technologically literate, are able to disengage from the society that gives us this benefit. It is a mistake, though, to think that your reducing your individual footprint can happen on a meaningful scale.  

Yes, please, vacation and enjoy the outdoors.  Certainly we should preserve them.  But don&#039;t pretend that we can all go back to being hunters and gathers without significant losses to our technological bases and quality of life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, you can do that.  But if everyone did it, there would be no computers/technology for you to rely on.</p>
<p>Realize that your ability to live in a house in the mountains is on the tail end of a supply chain that is literally the size of the planet.  Look at the clothing you wear, the food that you buy (cheaply and readily), and the items that furnish your mountain home &#8211; how many of them were locally made, vs. made in China?  How much did you pay for these items?</p>
<p>Arguably, by choosing to live so remotely you actually have a larger impact on the world because the infrastructure needed to supply you with power, sewage, and food is so much greater on a per-capita basis because you are so remote.</p>
<p>My point is that we, the well off and the technologically literate, are able to disengage from the society that gives us this benefit. It is a mistake, though, to think that your reducing your individual footprint can happen on a meaningful scale.  </p>
<p>Yes, please, vacation and enjoy the outdoors.  Certainly we should preserve them.  But don&#8217;t pretend that we can all go back to being hunters and gathers without significant losses to our technological bases and quality of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Catherine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Feb 2014 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate this view.  As part of the human race, we all must participate in the responsibility of creating a better world. It doesn&#039;t mean we have to start a gigantic movement.  Just deciding to not buy plastic water bottles or plastic bags from the grocery store.  I have been responsible for the above things and now I am aware that even the smallest decision to not participate takes away from the whole.  I live in the mountains and have decided I do not need a large home.  I can live on less.  I do not need to keep spending money on plastics that I will throw away the next day. I grow as many vegetables as I can and can my fruits.  However, I need my computer to keep informed and work as my retirement income will not even support me. I feel we can combine technology with responsibility. I&#039;ve created an outdoor adventure to get people to get away from their fast paced lives and remember to breathe and take in natural beauty. Of course that takes work and material products to produce the classes.  I have found some balance in all this.  Education is vital.  One can always learn to create more with less!
Thank you for your post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate this view.  As part of the human race, we all must participate in the responsibility of creating a better world. It doesn&#8217;t mean we have to start a gigantic movement.  Just deciding to not buy plastic water bottles or plastic bags from the grocery store.  I have been responsible for the above things and now I am aware that even the smallest decision to not participate takes away from the whole.  I live in the mountains and have decided I do not need a large home.  I can live on less.  I do not need to keep spending money on plastics that I will throw away the next day. I grow as many vegetables as I can and can my fruits.  However, I need my computer to keep informed and work as my retirement income will not even support me. I feel we can combine technology with responsibility. I&#8217;ve created an outdoor adventure to get people to get away from their fast paced lives and remember to breathe and take in natural beauty. Of course that takes work and material products to produce the classes.  I have found some balance in all this.  Education is vital.  One can always learn to create more with less!<br />
Thank you for your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Valli sau povesti in imagini &#124; greenspotter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Valli sau povesti in imagini &#124; greenspotter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Supt247</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Supt247]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where would a person find these types of communities? I want to learn more. Possibly try my hand @ living off the land.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where would a person find these types of communities? I want to learn more. Possibly try my hand @ living off the land.</p>
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		<title>By: meh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[meh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From what I&#039;ve seen, living off the grid can be for sustainability or political (survivalist, etc) reasons.   I&#039;ve had an amusing meeting with self-described OtG people, though...

I was on a long-distance, largely self-supported bicycle tour (camping in a tent, cooking my own food, propelling myself, digging my own bathroom facilities, etc).  I had *no* illusions that I was off the grid - I was just sort of acting like a cellphone or laptop, temporarily untethered but needing to plug in now and again for sustenance.  There was no meaningful, feeding-myself-without-food-stores, not-using-technology, not-engaged-in-economic-activity iiving.  Yes, the trip required fewer resources than I use at home, but the resources I used remained essentially the same - food and equipment stores, electricity, toilets, laundry, bathing facilities, et cetera.  And I probably ate more than at home ;-)

Anyhow, I met and played road-hopscotch with a group of cycle tourists who claimed to be &#039;totally off the grid.&#039;   Upon a bit of examination, I found them about as off the grid as I was - in other words, pretty much dependent upon it.  They bought food at farmers&#039; markets, using common currency.  They wild-camped about as much as I did - which is to say, on long stretches with no towns, they wild camped, and in more populated areas, they&#039;d camp in places where they could use electricity, toilets, laundry and bathing facilities, Internet, etc.  They engaged in economic activity - playing music (busking or sometimes playing shows in bars) and a few other things frowned upon by the war on (some) drugs.  They also had no compunction in buying things (when they were fiscally capable of doing so). 

When I pointed this out to them, the goalposts shifted - they claimed that because they had no final destination in mind as I did, they were &#039;techical nomads,&#039; free of the constraints of everyday workaday society, somehow capable of an existence independent of the standard workday world.   Somehow they didn&#039;t get that &#039;nomad&#039; doesn&#039;t equate to &#039;off-the-grid&#039; in the sense that the latter implies near-complete self-sufficiency.   

I think the US has some very odd ideas about what individualism and self-sufficiency actually mean. Needless to say, we&#039;ve romanticized it without actually thinking about it.  I wonder whether this would change if we stopped teaching the frontier mythos? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I&#8217;ve seen, living off the grid can be for sustainability or political (survivalist, etc) reasons.   I&#8217;ve had an amusing meeting with self-described OtG people, though&#8230;</p>
<p>I was on a long-distance, largely self-supported bicycle tour (camping in a tent, cooking my own food, propelling myself, digging my own bathroom facilities, etc).  I had *no* illusions that I was off the grid &#8211; I was just sort of acting like a cellphone or laptop, temporarily untethered but needing to plug in now and again for sustenance.  There was no meaningful, feeding-myself-without-food-stores, not-using-technology, not-engaged-in-economic-activity iiving.  Yes, the trip required fewer resources than I use at home, but the resources I used remained essentially the same &#8211; food and equipment stores, electricity, toilets, laundry, bathing facilities, et cetera.  And I probably ate more than at home ;-)</p>
<p>Anyhow, I met and played road-hopscotch with a group of cycle tourists who claimed to be &#8216;totally off the grid.&#8217;   Upon a bit of examination, I found them about as off the grid as I was &#8211; in other words, pretty much dependent upon it.  They bought food at farmers&#8217; markets, using common currency.  They wild-camped about as much as I did &#8211; which is to say, on long stretches with no towns, they wild camped, and in more populated areas, they&#8217;d camp in places where they could use electricity, toilets, laundry and bathing facilities, Internet, etc.  They engaged in economic activity &#8211; playing music (busking or sometimes playing shows in bars) and a few other things frowned upon by the war on (some) drugs.  They also had no compunction in buying things (when they were fiscally capable of doing so). </p>
<p>When I pointed this out to them, the goalposts shifted &#8211; they claimed that because they had no final destination in mind as I did, they were &#8216;techical nomads,&#8217; free of the constraints of everyday workaday society, somehow capable of an existence independent of the standard workday world.   Somehow they didn&#8217;t get that &#8216;nomad&#8217; doesn&#8217;t equate to &#8216;off-the-grid&#8217; in the sense that the latter implies near-complete self-sufficiency.   </p>
<p>I think the US has some very odd ideas about what individualism and self-sufficiency actually mean. Needless to say, we&#8217;ve romanticized it without actually thinking about it.  I wonder whether this would change if we stopped teaching the frontier mythos? </p>
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		<title>By: Giraffe and a half</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Giraffe and a half]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like that suggestion. An analogy might be vegetarianism/veganism. It&#039;s not about purity, but about doing what you can to lower your personal impact (or at least it is for me).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that suggestion. An analogy might be vegetarianism/veganism. It&#8217;s not about purity, but about doing what you can to lower your personal impact (or at least it is for me).</p>
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		<title>By: Tusconian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tusconian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Don&#039;t see what that has to do with my comment.  Most I&#039;ve encountered claiming to &quot;live of the grid&quot; have likely never paid an electric bill on their own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Don&#8217;t see what that has to do with my comment.  Most I&#8217;ve encountered claiming to &#8220;live of the grid&#8221; have likely never paid an electric bill on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Lunad</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/06/18/is-it-possible-to-go-off-the-grid/comment-page-1/#comment-554777</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lunad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a) what funding?
b) if she has so much more opportunity, why to women still make 70% of what men do?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a) what funding?<br />
b) if she has so much more opportunity, why to women still make 70% of what men do?</p>
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		<title>By: Lunad</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/06/18/is-it-possible-to-go-off-the-grid/comment-page-1/#comment-554776</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lunad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reasons for choosing to live off the grid are as diverse as the politics in this country.  There are people who live off the grid because they strongly believe that, because we went off the gold standard, society could collapse at any moment, so they need to be prepared.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reasons for choosing to live off the grid are as diverse as the politics in this country.  There are people who live off the grid because they strongly believe that, because we went off the gold standard, society could collapse at any moment, so they need to be prepared.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazlojamf</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lazlojamf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The institution of militant feminism? I&#039;m white and don&#039;t own a vagina, the girl next door has more opportunity than me. The sooner they cut funding to the feminists institution the better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The institution of militant feminism? I&#8217;m white and don&#8217;t own a vagina, the girl next door has more opportunity than me. The sooner they cut funding to the feminists institution the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Pinfold</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gilbert Pinfold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 04:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tusconian,   And lets face it, the power grid is rising in price more than just about anything, so it&#039;s only rational  that middle class people will make capital investments in things like solar panels. 

And Y,  Thinking about it, it&#039;s not that strange that Sociologists should be strong modernists. There is no Sociology written in Ancient Greek or Latin; no St Thomas&#039; or Anselms.  The thing was conceived out of modernity in the 19th century: the industrial revolution; urbanisation and secularisation.  The work of Marx, Weber, Durkheim et al was the first real accommodation with modernity in the sense that modernity was treated as a given.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tusconian,   And lets face it, the power grid is rising in price more than just about anything, so it&#8217;s only rational  that middle class people will make capital investments in things like solar panels. </p>
<p>And Y,  Thinking about it, it&#8217;s not that strange that Sociologists should be strong modernists. There is no Sociology written in Ancient Greek or Latin; no St Thomas&#8217; or Anselms.  The thing was conceived out of modernity in the 19th century: the industrial revolution; urbanisation and secularisation.  The work of Marx, Weber, Durkheim et al was the first real accommodation with modernity in the sense that modernity was treated as a given.</p>
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		<title>By: Rae</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rae]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Insisting that anyone be
loyal to only one set of rules, yea even those who would struggle to &quot;opt
out,&quot; is the same kind of dogmatic, ideological thinking which has
afflicted human beings for centuries. Lisa herself cites the unavoidability (in
some form or fashion) of being implicated as a card-carrying member of society.
This article felt to me like an attempt to point out the hypocrisy seen in the
artist&#039;s photographs. I saw people doing what they feel is appropriate for
their needs. And hot sauce is f****** good.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insisting that anyone be<br />
loyal to only one set of rules, yea even those who would struggle to &#8220;opt<br />
out,&#8221; is the same kind of dogmatic, ideological thinking which has<br />
afflicted human beings for centuries. Lisa herself cites the unavoidability (in<br />
some form or fashion) of being implicated as a card-carrying member of society.<br />
This article felt to me like an attempt to point out the hypocrisy seen in the<br />
artist&#8217;s photographs. I saw people doing what they feel is appropriate for<br />
their needs. And hot sauce is f****** good.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Coldwell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle Coldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From a Phoenician to a Tusconian, well put.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a Phoenician to a Tusconian, well put.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Coldwell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle Coldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Tusconian said, I am in no way offended.  I&#039;m fascinated, even a little baffled by it.  

I totally understand and admire someone who lives close to the earth for apolitical reasons.  But when you do something with a certain politics behind it, you&#039;re making a statement.  You&#039;re saying, &quot;This is good and everyone should do it.&quot;

All I&#039;m saying is that some people can&#039;t follow that injunction, not because the oppressiveness of society is holding them back but because the oppressiveness of nature is.

To give you a better clue, I&#039;m in a wheelchair.  I depend on others to be fed, bathed, clothed and transported around the city.  Every month, a truck comes from the government with crates of formula that I put into my feeding tube at night.

You can&#039;t socially deconstruct these facts because they aren&#039;t social constructs in the first place.

Now are people with disabilities still oppressed by the very system that keeps them alive?  Big time.  But, for the record, I would rather be oppressed than dead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Tusconian said, I am in no way offended.  I&#8217;m fascinated, even a little baffled by it.  </p>
<p>I totally understand and admire someone who lives close to the earth for apolitical reasons.  But when you do something with a certain politics behind it, you&#8217;re making a statement.  You&#8217;re saying, &#8220;This is good and everyone should do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is that some people can&#8217;t follow that injunction, not because the oppressiveness of society is holding them back but because the oppressiveness of nature is.</p>
<p>To give you a better clue, I&#8217;m in a wheelchair.  I depend on others to be fed, bathed, clothed and transported around the city.  Every month, a truck comes from the government with crates of formula that I put into my feeding tube at night.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t socially deconstruct these facts because they aren&#8217;t social constructs in the first place.</p>
<p>Now are people with disabilities still oppressed by the very system that keeps them alive?  Big time.  But, for the record, I would rather be oppressed than dead.</p>
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