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	<title>Comments on: The Body Gap: Models and the Average Woman</title>
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		<title>By: Sokrados Salmanus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sokrados Salmanus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I  really do not know and I really  do not understand  the choice of magazines]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  really do not know and I really  do not understand  the choice of magazines</p>
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		<title>By: hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hmmm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[where is the video??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where is the video??</p>
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		<title>By: eduardo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eduardo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish that there were more women in important positions in the fashion industry, as opposed to the people who are there now. It would be nice to hear more about that, but somehow the discussion centers mostly around the models. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish that there were more women in important positions in the fashion industry, as opposed to the people who are there now. It would be nice to hear more about that, but somehow the discussion centers mostly around the models. </p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sheryl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to the CDC the average BMI for women in their 20s in the US is 24.3 which is at the upper end of the healthy scale for BMI (personally I think BMI has serious issues when used individually but as a measure for populations it&#039;s fairly good). I don&#039;t have a good average for models but based on the news stories I&#039;ve seen the average model is about 5&#039;9&quot; tall and 110lbs which puts them at a BMI that is under 17 (underweight is anythign under 18.5). Is that relevant enough?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the CDC the average BMI for women in their 20s in the US is 24.3 which is at the upper end of the healthy scale for BMI (personally I think BMI has serious issues when used individually but as a measure for populations it&#8217;s fairly good). I don&#8217;t have a good average for models but based on the news stories I&#8217;ve seen the average model is about 5&#8217;9&#8243; tall and 110lbs which puts them at a BMI that is under 17 (underweight is anythign under 18.5). Is that relevant enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/03/06/the-body-gap-models-and-the-average-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-548041</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sheryl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Not an unbiased source but I think it&#039;s safe to assume they are correct. If the average runway model is 5&#039;9&quot; and 110lbs then that is a BMI of 16.2, anything under 18.5 is considered underweight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Not an unbiased source but I think it&#8217;s safe to assume they are correct. If the average runway model is 5&#8217;9&#8243; and 110lbs then that is a BMI of 16.2, anything under 18.5 is considered underweight.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 13:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love this post.  Clicking on the like button is not enough.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this post.  Clicking on the like button is not enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we must speculate on the implications of the disparity between the body mass of runway models and that of the so-called &quot;average woman&quot; (whoever she is), why must we ignore the incredibly wide gap in many physical details between the 66-year-old Diane Sawyer and the average 66-year-old woman? While the above video was busy saying absolutely nothing, we were left with plenty of time to observe that an extraordinarily accomplished TV presenter was feigning deep concern over unrealistic body images from behind a wall of plastic surgery that appears to reconstruct her as a conventionally attractive woman 30 years her junior.

As the former beauty pageant winner ominously read from her script that &quot;young girls want to be like&quot; runway models (serious journalism alert!), I couldn&#039;t help but wonder what kind of message it sends to the more ambitious young girls, who might dream of a career spent interviewing some of the world&#039;s most influential people for decades, that a woman with such an impressive CV must still be a beauty queen in her twilight years in order to keep her TV job. The implications of that are more disturbing, in my view; adhering to an incredibly rare standard of body image is an explicit criterion for the job of a fashion model, but not for that of a journalist. And while high fashion, by its very nature, represents the excessive and unattainable, we&#039;d rather not think that the same can be said for television &quot;news.&quot; 

Other observation: the reporter spoke with exaggerated incredulity as she noted that models are getting smaller while the average woman is getting bigger. But what on earth is exceptional about that? The ideals associated with unattainable luxury and privilege (the obvious domain of fashion marketing) universally tend to be an exaggeration of what is rare. Where fuller figures are increasingly common, one would expect thinness to become as exotic and idealized as a curvy physique is in countries with low food security, or as suntans are in Scandinavia. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we must speculate on the implications of the disparity between the body mass of runway models and that of the so-called &#8220;average woman&#8221; (whoever she is), why must we ignore the incredibly wide gap in many physical details between the 66-year-old Diane Sawyer and the average 66-year-old woman? While the above video was busy saying absolutely nothing, we were left with plenty of time to observe that an extraordinarily accomplished TV presenter was feigning deep concern over unrealistic body images from behind a wall of plastic surgery that appears to reconstruct her as a conventionally attractive woman 30 years her junior.</p>
<p>As the former beauty pageant winner ominously read from her script that &#8220;young girls want to be like&#8221; runway models (serious journalism alert!), I couldn&#8217;t help but wonder what kind of message it sends to the more ambitious young girls, who might dream of a career spent interviewing some of the world&#8217;s most influential people for decades, that a woman with such an impressive CV must still be a beauty queen in her twilight years in order to keep her TV job. The implications of that are more disturbing, in my view; adhering to an incredibly rare standard of body image is an explicit criterion for the job of a fashion model, but not for that of a journalist. And while high fashion, by its very nature, represents the excessive and unattainable, we&#8217;d rather not think that the same can be said for television &#8220;news.&#8221; </p>
<p>Other observation: the reporter spoke with exaggerated incredulity as she noted that models are getting smaller while the average woman is getting bigger. But what on earth is exceptional about that? The ideals associated with unattainable luxury and privilege (the obvious domain of fashion marketing) universally tend to be an exaggeration of what is rare. Where fuller figures are increasingly common, one would expect thinness to become as exotic and idealized as a curvy physique is in countries with low food security, or as suntans are in Scandinavia. </p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[guest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ I live in SA and the woman I live with is a 23 year old (currently successful) model.  I am &quot;underweight&quot; according to my BMI (although I am very healthy) and she is less than half my size.  Her lifestyle is unhealthy and she has told me that she is changing careers as you have to be 15 or 16 to really &quot;make it&quot; in the modelling industry.  Also, everywhere I have been in the world, modelling successfully in New York is seen as the ultimate achievement (for models).

The industry does women no favours, and in terms of this idea of &quot;plus size&quot; models presenting a better image - this is no better.  Many people will never be healthy at the size of many of the plus sizes.  The whole notion of a &quot;modelling industry&quot; negates any celebration of individuality as women are being told about an ideal.  No matter what that ideal is, people (not just women) are different and diverse, and presenting an ideal is problematic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I live in SA and the woman I live with is a 23 year old (currently successful) model.  I am &#8220;underweight&#8221; according to my BMI (although I am very healthy) and she is less than half my size.  Her lifestyle is unhealthy and she has told me that she is changing careers as you have to be 15 or 16 to really &#8220;make it&#8221; in the modelling industry.  Also, everywhere I have been in the world, modelling successfully in New York is seen as the ultimate achievement (for models).</p>
<p>The industry does women no favours, and in terms of this idea of &#8220;plus size&#8221; models presenting a better image &#8211; this is no better.  Many people will never be healthy at the size of many of the plus sizes.  The whole notion of a &#8220;modelling industry&#8221; negates any celebration of individuality as women are being told about an ideal.  No matter what that ideal is, people (not just women) are different and diverse, and presenting an ideal is problematic.</p>
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		<title>By: Bbaumann</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bbaumann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 05:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good comment! I believe that it should be illegal to use models that are so emaciated.  These models deserve the same rights as any other worker would.  I highly doubt that the majority of these young women would be as thin as they are if the industry was not demanding it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comment! I believe that it should be illegal to use models that are so emaciated.  These models deserve the same rights as any other worker would.  I highly doubt that the majority of these young women would be as thin as they are if the industry was not demanding it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ I definitely agree, especially on the part about the size of teenagers. I&#039;m a size 8, so I&#039;d say I&#039;m average. However, most girls at my school are 6&#039;s and 4&#039;s and 2&#039;s, and we&#039;re the kind of school where everyone studies, so it&#039;s not like that&#039;s all they focus on. Sure, some of them are going to stay skinny, but I feel like most will round out a little as they get older (that sounded kinda creepy). It&#039;s not a good look to aspire to be, but I know super-skinny girls who are normal eaters, so I don&#039;t see the big deal with 14-year-olds being size 2s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I definitely agree, especially on the part about the size of teenagers. I&#8217;m a size 8, so I&#8217;d say I&#8217;m average. However, most girls at my school are 6&#8217;s and 4&#8217;s and 2&#8217;s, and we&#8217;re the kind of school where everyone studies, so it&#8217;s not like that&#8217;s all they focus on. Sure, some of them are going to stay skinny, but I feel like most will round out a little as they get older (that sounded kinda creepy). It&#8217;s not a good look to aspire to be, but I know super-skinny girls who are normal eaters, so I don&#8217;t see the big deal with 14-year-olds being size 2s.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 23:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ *nods*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> *nods*</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Persons battling anorexia, bulimia, or another eating disorder may find the images of the thin models triggering - such images, especially to someone who is trying to recover from an eating disorder, may be difficult for them to watch and may make their disorder worse. 


As a recovered anorexic, I know that I sometimes have to fight the ugly thoughts that are sometimes triggered by discussion of, or images of, underweight women, eating disorders, etc., lest I slip back into my disorder and start restricting again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Persons battling anorexia, bulimia, or another eating disorder may find the images of the thin models triggering &#8211; such images, especially to someone who is trying to recover from an eating disorder, may be difficult for them to watch and may make their disorder worse. </p>
<p>As a recovered anorexic, I know that I sometimes have to fight the ugly thoughts that are sometimes triggered by discussion of, or images of, underweight women, eating disorders, etc., lest I slip back into my disorder and start restricting again.</p>
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		<title>By: bitty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bitty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No. way.  ABC News, what a revelation you&#039;ve made for us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. way.  ABC News, what a revelation you&#8217;ve made for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The comparison photos are clever in theory, but did you really have to have the models get naked and hug each other? Go straight to objectification, do not pass empowerment, collect profits. Ugh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comparison photos are clever in theory, but did you really have to have the models get naked and hug each other? Go straight to objectification, do not pass empowerment, collect profits. Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The video, once again focuses entirely on the weight of the model compared to come imaginary &quot;average&quot; woman, without any more commentary on other physical features, geographical location, and most importantly, AGE.   People think they are comparing &quot;idealized woman&quot; to &quot;average woman,&quot; but what they&#039;re doing is comparing &quot;unusual 14 year old girl&quot; to &quot;35 year old mother of two.&quot;  Also, there seems to be a strong focus on the modeling industries in New York and South America; the average runway model working in Chicago, for example, is probably between a size 2 and a size 4, and can occasionally be a size 6.  Plus, the woman who took that picture?  Paid no attention to &quot;average&quot; aside from, apparently, weight or dress size.  Like HELL the average woman is several inches taller than the average model; in reality, she is several inches shorter (which creates issues in the clothing industry, as any woman of any weight under five foot six can tell you when buying jeans).  I also found that picture annoying.  The &quot;average model&quot; is compared to what looks like a hyper-idealized plus sized fetish model or burlesque dancer.  I don&#039;t think any average woman should be empowered by that.  If the reaction is against a unattainable, hyper-idealized form, putting another unattainable, hyper-idealized form that happens to be less unusual in exactly one single aspect isn&#039;t a very strong one.

And once again, while focusing on the fact that the arbitrary &quot;average woman&quot; might be sad to see skinny models, very little is focused on the fact that the model is inherently not an average woman....because she&#039;s a girl in her mid teens.  The average model is not only a size zero and five nine, but is also between 14 and 16 years old.  Even if the presentation of fashion models was of a healthy body, there would still be no reason to compare a 14, 15, or 16 year old girl to the &quot;average&quot; American woman, because an average American teenage girls is WAY smaller that an adult woman.  I think this is a bigger issue, honestly, for two reasons.  One, because I think there should be a lot more concern with the &quot;average woman&quot; comparing herself to a teenager of any size than there is for the &quot;average woman&quot; comparing herself to a different adult woman who is thin.  There is more than just the issue of weight there, it is turning 15 year old girls into the height of what women should aspire to be.  Second, the focus seems to be the bad self-esteem of adult women who consume this media, but very little care is given to the fact that the runway models are not only in danger of eating disorders, but are young teens exposed to the vices that used to be reserved for &quot;industry people&quot; in their twenties and older, such as alcohol abuse, drug use, and hypersexualization both in and out of the spotlight.  Very little concern is given in regards to these girls, and in fact, they&#039;re usually that target of acidic, vitriolic rage.  Because the self-esteem of the &quot;average woman&quot; is much, much more important than the physical safety of possibly exploited children.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The video, once again focuses entirely on the weight of the model compared to come imaginary &#8220;average&#8221; woman, without any more commentary on other physical features, geographical location, and most importantly, AGE.   People think they are comparing &#8220;idealized woman&#8221; to &#8220;average woman,&#8221; but what they&#8217;re doing is comparing &#8220;unusual 14 year old girl&#8221; to &#8220;35 year old mother of two.&#8221;  Also, there seems to be a strong focus on the modeling industries in New York and South America; the average runway model working in Chicago, for example, is probably between a size 2 and a size 4, and can occasionally be a size 6.  Plus, the woman who took that picture?  Paid no attention to &#8220;average&#8221; aside from, apparently, weight or dress size.  Like HELL the average woman is several inches taller than the average model; in reality, she is several inches shorter (which creates issues in the clothing industry, as any woman of any weight under five foot six can tell you when buying jeans).  I also found that picture annoying.  The &#8220;average model&#8221; is compared to what looks like a hyper-idealized plus sized fetish model or burlesque dancer.  I don&#8217;t think any average woman should be empowered by that.  If the reaction is against a unattainable, hyper-idealized form, putting another unattainable, hyper-idealized form that happens to be less unusual in exactly one single aspect isn&#8217;t a very strong one.</p>
<p>And once again, while focusing on the fact that the arbitrary &#8220;average woman&#8221; might be sad to see skinny models, very little is focused on the fact that the model is inherently not an average woman&#8230;.because she&#8217;s a girl in her mid teens.  The average model is not only a size zero and five nine, but is also between 14 and 16 years old.  Even if the presentation of fashion models was of a healthy body, there would still be no reason to compare a 14, 15, or 16 year old girl to the &#8220;average&#8221; American woman, because an average American teenage girls is WAY smaller that an adult woman.  I think this is a bigger issue, honestly, for two reasons.  One, because I think there should be a lot more concern with the &#8220;average woman&#8221; comparing herself to a teenager of any size than there is for the &#8220;average woman&#8221; comparing herself to a different adult woman who is thin.  There is more than just the issue of weight there, it is turning 15 year old girls into the height of what women should aspire to be.  Second, the focus seems to be the bad self-esteem of adult women who consume this media, but very little care is given to the fact that the runway models are not only in danger of eating disorders, but are young teens exposed to the vices that used to be reserved for &#8220;industry people&#8221; in their twenties and older, such as alcohol abuse, drug use, and hypersexualization both in and out of the spotlight.  Very little concern is given in regards to these girls, and in fact, they&#8217;re usually that target of acidic, vitriolic rage.  Because the self-esteem of the &#8220;average woman&#8221; is much, much more important than the physical safety of possibly exploited children.</p>
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