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	<title>Comments on: Open Thread: The CNN Opener for the Southern Republican Presidential Debate</title>
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		<title>By: cheap bras</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cheap bras]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amazing write-up! This could aid plenty of people find out more about this particular issue. Are you keen to integrate video clips coupled with these? It would absolutely help out. Your conclusion was spot on and thanks to you; I probably won’t have to describe everything to my pals. I can simply direct them here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing write-up! This could aid plenty of people find out more about this particular issue. Are you keen to integrate video clips coupled with these? It would absolutely help out. Your conclusion was spot on and thanks to you; I probably won’t have to describe everything to my pals. I can simply direct them here!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All they need is that NFL robot.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All they need is that NFL robot.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a reader from Germany. For me, this opener really looks surreal, it could be right out of an action movie mimicking politics. What strikes me most is the complete absence of any political content concerning the different candidates. 

If this really is what US citizens want, they would fall asleep in a German TV debate. I have to admit that it frightens me to see this opener as it epitomizes the emptiness of a huge part of US politics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a reader from Germany. For me, this opener really looks surreal, it could be right out of an action movie mimicking politics. What strikes me most is the complete absence of any political content concerning the different candidates. </p>
<p>If this really is what US citizens want, they would fall asleep in a German TV debate. I have to admit that it frightens me to see this opener as it epitomizes the emptiness of a huge part of US politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ricky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually you are right.  Now I am all confused about how much of that clip I actually watched.  Did I waste 9 minutes on that? Apparently I did.  I have no regrets though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually you are right.  Now I am all confused about how much of that clip I actually watched.  Did I waste 9 minutes on that? Apparently I did.  I have no regrets though.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ricky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No really, I only watched the first 2:00 or so of the clip.  Is there another lol moment at 9:00?  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No really, I only watched the first 2:00 or so of the clip.  Is there another lol moment at 9:00?  </p>
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		<title>By: Matthias Wasser</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthias Wasser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we can&#039;t sensationalize a meaningless contest over who gets to occupy the most powerful office in the world, what can we sensationalize? Are we not allowed to have fun?


If anthropologists found a tribe where chiefs were elected every couple years, but always implemented the same policies regardless, and the literal words everyone involved used treated it as an event of apocalyptic importance even as they gave every sign of treating it as an entertainment event, we wouldn&#039;t think they were dumb; we&#039;d appreciate their sense of humor and maybe even interpret the farce elections as a creative way of defusing social tensions. (We could note how the narrow range of policies that gets enacted reflect the interests of a ruling clique as well, and yet recognize that this was an orthogonal issue.) Why not extend the same charity to our own culture?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we can&#8217;t sensationalize a meaningless contest over who gets to occupy the most powerful office in the world, what can we sensationalize? Are we not allowed to have fun?</p>
<p>If anthropologists found a tribe where chiefs were elected every couple years, but always implemented the same policies regardless, and the literal words everyone involved used treated it as an event of apocalyptic importance even as they gave every sign of treating it as an entertainment event, we wouldn&#8217;t think they were dumb; we&#8217;d appreciate their sense of humor and maybe even interpret the farce elections as a creative way of defusing social tensions. (We could note how the narrow range of policies that gets enacted reflect the interests of a ruling clique as well, and yet recognize that this was an orthogonal issue.) Why not extend the same charity to our own culture?</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre-andre</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierre-andre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But seriously, if you&#039;re not an asshole and you vote Republican (there are a few), I wonder why, because there is no way you can have good values ​​(ie not be anasshole) and see better reflected in the current conservative climate. Most people I know who do that are there by a certain stubborn will to recover the concept ofconservatism of these people even if they disagree with them. And it is doomed to failure. &quot;

It&#039;s real serious may be conservative (in policy), without being retrograde and out.The problem, the problem is that the only politician to make sure you get the POWER goes astray in speeches used to inréresser all morons and illiterates who never go to the polls to vote, because they have never interrested to society or theircountry or they simply do not know what the plotique can use their. The policiticientests too to please the mass base in the manner of Tweeter! We have the politicians we deserve, because we do not criticize and say nothing more intelligent we become intellectually lazy ... 
C&#039;est vrais sérieusement on peut être conservateur (en Politique), sans être rétrograde ou arrièré. Le problème, le problème est que l&#039;homme politique pour uniquement être sur d&#039;obtenir le POUVOIR se fourvoie dans des discours servant à inréresser tout les abrutis et les illéttrés qui ne vont jamais aux urnes voter, parcequ&#039;ils ne se sont jamais intérressés à la société ou à leurs Pays ou tout simplement ils ne savent plus à quoi la plotique peut leurs servir. Les policiticien essais trop de plaire à la masse de base à la manière de Tweeter! Nous avons les Politiciens que nous méritons, car nous ne disons et ne critiquons plus rien de intelligente, nous devenons paresseux intellectuellement  ...

http://www.developpement-affaires.com ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But seriously, if you&#8217;re not an asshole and you vote Republican (there are a few), I wonder why, because there is no way you can have good values ​​(ie not be anasshole) and see better reflected in the current conservative climate. Most people I know who do that are there by a certain stubborn will to recover the concept ofconservatism of these people even if they disagree with them. And it is doomed to failure. &#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s real serious may be conservative (in policy), without being retrograde and out.The problem, the problem is that the only politician to make sure you get the POWER goes astray in speeches used to inréresser all morons and illiterates who never go to the polls to vote, because they have never interrested to society or theircountry or they simply do not know what the plotique can use their. The policiticientests too to please the mass base in the manner of Tweeter! We have the politicians we deserve, because we do not criticize and say nothing more intelligent we become intellectually lazy &#8230; <br />
C&#8217;est vrais sérieusement on peut être conservateur (en Politique), sans être rétrograde ou arrièré. Le problème, le problème est que l&#8217;homme politique pour uniquement être sur d&#8217;obtenir le POUVOIR se fourvoie dans des discours servant à inréresser tout les abrutis et les illéttrés qui ne vont jamais aux urnes voter, parcequ&#8217;ils ne se sont jamais intérressés à la société ou à leurs Pays ou tout simplement ils ne savent plus à quoi la plotique peut leurs servir. Les policiticien essais trop de plaire à la masse de base à la manière de Tweeter! Nous avons les Politiciens que nous méritons, car nous ne disons et ne critiquons plus rien de intelligente, nous devenons paresseux intellectuellement  &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.developpement-affaires.com " rel="nofollow">http://www.developpement-affaires.com </a></p>
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		<title>By: Yrro Simyarin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yrro Simyarin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not a Republican, and I disagree with a many parts of their message. But I think Ron Paul, at least, stands for something decent. The fact that he&#039;s getting as many votes as he is, as a crazy old man, shows me that there are people to whom his message makes sense. Hopefully in a few years there will be someone younger and more charismatic following in his footsteps to actually push some of his reforms through.

I think you can find quite a few people with good morals who still believe in the death penalty (although you will find that many of them are reasonably uncertain about it), or to advocate that the overall results of government taking over the healthcare business will be worse than the alternative. Even the hardcore Republicans do not want sick people to die in the streets, just like liberals don&#039;t enjoy abortions. We can disagree about likely results of policy without having to get into morals and accusations of barbarism.

As for the anti-gay thing - my point was that from the reports I have read there were more people in the audience telling the boo-ers to shut up than there were people booing. I hate the anti-homosexual baggage the religious right is dragging along - I still don&#039;t get why they hate gays more than they hate me as an atheist.

But when only one party is even making noises about taking government spending seriously... given the current track record of Democrats on gay rights (ie, baby steps, if that) I&#039;ll have to vote my fiscal conscience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a Republican, and I disagree with a many parts of their message. But I think Ron Paul, at least, stands for something decent. The fact that he&#8217;s getting as many votes as he is, as a crazy old man, shows me that there are people to whom his message makes sense. Hopefully in a few years there will be someone younger and more charismatic following in his footsteps to actually push some of his reforms through.</p>
<p>I think you can find quite a few people with good morals who still believe in the death penalty (although you will find that many of them are reasonably uncertain about it), or to advocate that the overall results of government taking over the healthcare business will be worse than the alternative. Even the hardcore Republicans do not want sick people to die in the streets, just like liberals don&#8217;t enjoy abortions. We can disagree about likely results of policy without having to get into morals and accusations of barbarism.</p>
<p>As for the anti-gay thing &#8211; my point was that from the reports I have read there were more people in the audience telling the boo-ers to shut up than there were people booing. I hate the anti-homosexual baggage the religious right is dragging along &#8211; I still don&#8217;t get why they hate gays more than they hate me as an atheist.</p>
<p>But when only one party is even making noises about taking government spending seriously&#8230; given the current track record of Democrats on gay rights (ie, baby steps, if that) I&#8217;ll have to vote my fiscal conscience.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghalo41</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ghalo41]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They might as well have hired Ryan Seacrest to host this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They might as well have hired Ryan Seacrest to host this.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All I could think of was this segment from Newswipe a few years back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MiXN_GImng#t=12s]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I could think of was this segment from Newswipe a few years back:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MiXN_GImng#t=12s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MiXN_GImng#t=12s</a></p>
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		<title>By: Legolewdite</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Legolewdite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[^ This!  Although I&#039;d temper and qualify that a bit with a lot of mostly&#039;s and generally&#039;s, and the possiblity of a sophisticated and critical viewer being able to separate the wheat from the chaff of our media harvests, I love this point!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ This!  Although I&#8217;d temper and qualify that a bit with a lot of mostly&#8217;s and generally&#8217;s, and the possiblity of a sophisticated and critical viewer being able to separate the wheat from the chaff of our media harvests, I love this point!</p>
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		<title>By: Legolewdite</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Legolewdite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suppose how unfavorable a comparison you find this opener to those of American Idol and Monday Night Football depends entirely on your opinion of those other programs.

For my part, I not only find it sensationalistic, but further, it&#039;s a less dignified and serious manner to conduct the debates.  Of course, I&#039;m completely willing to acknoledge that my notions of &quot;seriousness&quot; and &quot;dignified&quot; might just be a form of elitism and an expectation of the particular frameworks I&#039;ve grown accustomed to.  

As an aside and possibly obvious point, the flash and the glitz which gives this opener all the suspense of a Who Wants to Beat a Millionaire bit seems to me to be the product of producers who see the success of major network programming and strive to replicate it, appropriate or not.  We can all decry the vacuous, superficial nature of these shows which showcase the worst rather than the best of us, but it sells.  And maybe that&#039;s because that all they&#039;re selling, but they definitely count it as a success all the same.

The problem is that an opener like this is a signifier.  In itself, who cares?  Who cares about the superficiality of an introduction?  Well, those who think our political process deserves more respect do, but I&#039;m not sure that that&#039;s the real problem here.  At issue for me is the lack of actual debating, a lack of real issues being discussed.  Unfortunately, as you&#039;re right to suggest, this style of introduction signifies a derth of substance to follow, full of more this pagaentry than actual debating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose how unfavorable a comparison you find this opener to those of American Idol and Monday Night Football depends entirely on your opinion of those other programs.</p>
<p>For my part, I not only find it sensationalistic, but further, it&#8217;s a less dignified and serious manner to conduct the debates.  Of course, I&#8217;m completely willing to acknoledge that my notions of &#8220;seriousness&#8221; and &#8220;dignified&#8221; might just be a form of elitism and an expectation of the particular frameworks I&#8217;ve grown accustomed to.  </p>
<p>As an aside and possibly obvious point, the flash and the glitz which gives this opener all the suspense of a Who Wants to Beat a Millionaire bit seems to me to be the product of producers who see the success of major network programming and strive to replicate it, appropriate or not.  We can all decry the vacuous, superficial nature of these shows which showcase the worst rather than the best of us, but it sells.  And maybe that&#8217;s because that all they&#8217;re selling, but they definitely count it as a success all the same.</p>
<p>The problem is that an opener like this is a signifier.  In itself, who cares?  Who cares about the superficiality of an introduction?  Well, those who think our political process deserves more respect do, but I&#8217;m not sure that that&#8217;s the real problem here.  At issue for me is the lack of actual debating, a lack of real issues being discussed.  Unfortunately, as you&#8217;re right to suggest, this style of introduction signifies a derth of substance to follow, full of more this pagaentry than actual debating.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 14:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t WANT to feel superior in these situations because I should NEVER feel that my basic human empathy makes me a better person than a significant voting block of adult citizens of my own country. It&#039;s not enjoyable that I&#039;m not among the people cheering the death of comatose victims or sneering at the sacrifices of a gay soldier, it&#039;s TERRIFYING that there are people who are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t WANT to feel superior in these situations because I should NEVER feel that my basic human empathy makes me a better person than a significant voting block of adult citizens of my own country. It&#8217;s not enjoyable that I&#8217;m not among the people cheering the death of comatose victims or sneering at the sacrifices of a gay soldier, it&#8217;s TERRIFYING that there are people who are.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hensley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hensley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome to the desert of the real, America]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the desert of the real, America</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 08:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the continuous deflection: &quot;the Democrats will attack ___&quot;, when they are all unapologetically at each other&#039;s throats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the continuous deflection: &#8220;the Democrats will attack ___&#8221;, when they are all unapologetically at each other&#8217;s throats.</p>
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