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		<title>By: Consider Magazine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Endpoint (11.23.11)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 4. How can we have constructive conversations about race?  Here&#8217;s what Jay Smooth has to say about it. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 4. How can we have constructive conversations about race?  Here&#8217;s what Jay Smooth has to say about it. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: cheap bras</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amazing write-up! This could aid plenty of people find out more about this particular issue. Are you keen to integrate video clips coupled with these? It would absolutely help out. Your conclusion was spot on and thanks to you; I probably won’t have to describe everything to my pals. I can simply direct them here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing write-up! This could aid plenty of people find out more about this particular issue. Are you keen to integrate video clips coupled with these? It would absolutely help out. Your conclusion was spot on and thanks to you; I probably won’t have to describe everything to my pals. I can simply direct them here!</p>
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		<title>By: videos by jeremy.devoss - Pearltrees</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 19:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Normal Stuff - Jay Smooth on Constructive Conversations about Race » Sociological Images Also see Jay’s video on boundaries in mixed-race communities and Brother Ali talking about White rappers and the “n word.” It’s a great 11-minute video on how we might try to discuss race, and racism, constructively: Jay Smooth, of Ill Doctrine , recent gave an excellent Tedx talk at Hampshire College about the difficulties of talking constructively about race and racism in the U.S. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Normal Stuff &#8211; Jay Smooth on Constructive Conversations about Race » Sociological Images Also see Jay’s video on boundaries in mixed-race communities and Brother Ali talking about White rappers and the “n word.” It’s a great 11-minute video on how we might try to discuss race, and racism, constructively: Jay Smooth, of Ill Doctrine , recent gave an excellent Tedx talk at Hampshire College about the difficulties of talking constructively about race and racism in the U.S. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Eurasian Sensation</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eurasian Sensation]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 00:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The definition of Racism may not be contestable, but whether a particular thing counts as racism is certainly contestable. A particular statement could be extremely offensive, or completely innocent, based on the context in which it is said. 

As an example: let&#039;s say I comment to someone that I assume that they like fried chicken. If they are black, it is possibly racist. If they are Korean, it is probably not racist. If I make that assumption BECAUSE they are black, it&#039;s probably racist. If I make that assumption because I think fried chicken is awesome and I figure that everyone likes fried chicken, then it might be perceived as racist when in fact it is not (bearing in mind that a lot of people have no idea that a &quot;black people like fried chicken&quot; stereotype even exists).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The definition of Racism may not be contestable, but whether a particular thing counts as racism is certainly contestable. A particular statement could be extremely offensive, or completely innocent, based on the context in which it is said. </p>
<p>As an example: let&#8217;s say I comment to someone that I assume that they like fried chicken. If they are black, it is possibly racist. If they are Korean, it is probably not racist. If I make that assumption BECAUSE they are black, it&#8217;s probably racist. If I make that assumption because I think fried chicken is awesome and I figure that everyone likes fried chicken, then it might be perceived as racist when in fact it is not (bearing in mind that a lot of people have no idea that a &#8220;black people like fried chicken&#8221; stereotype even exists).</p>
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		<title>By: Coldeadfish</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*Aren&#039;t any ands, ifs, or buts about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Aren&#8217;t any ands, ifs, or buts about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Coldeadfish</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The sociological definition of Racism is not contestable, nor is it flexible. It&#039;s like people disagreeing on whether a person is a certain age or not. The person either is OR the person isn&#039;t. 

So if one *chooses* to refuse the definition of Racism (or Sexism or Able-ism or Cis-genderism, etc), then the discussion over whether something or someone is racist, etc. is f*cked from the get-go. Because the person not honoring *the* definition is, *by* definition, a bigot. 

Aren&#039;t ands, if, or buts about it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sociological definition of Racism is not contestable, nor is it flexible. It&#8217;s like people disagreeing on whether a person is a certain age or not. The person either is OR the person isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>So if one *chooses* to refuse the definition of Racism (or Sexism or Able-ism or Cis-genderism, etc), then the discussion over whether something or someone is racist, etc. is f*cked from the get-go. Because the person not honoring *the* definition is, *by* definition, a bigot. </p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t ands, if, or buts about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Yrro Simyarin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t really believe it is a crime, or equivalent. It is however, pretty damaging to constructive discourse. If you called me a child-molester, it&#039;s not as bad  as actually abusing children, but if I don&#039;t think I *have* been abusing children, it&#039;s not going to make me want to talk to you any more. Maybe I just think that paddling is an acceptable form of discipline, or don&#039;t consider nudity to be a taboo. Moreover, if you call me a molester, it is obviously going to do bad things for my reputation. Again, that&#039;s not as bad as being molested myself, but it&#039;s still bad.

My point is that while there are some areas that are *obviously* racism, there are many areas that are debatable, and need to be defined as racist by social consensus. Even more than that, there are facts and statistics that can be used for racist ends, but are not themselves racist, and we need to be able to distinguish which someone is doing when they discuss them. Initially, saying that a view is racist needs to be a statement of opinion on that view, not a hard indisputable fact declared by the accuser, and not a deeper judgment on the accused&#039;s character.

Because if that model is achieved, it is much *less* hostile to label something racist, and therefore much *easier* to correct people on their actual racism.

If you say &quot;I think that statement is racist, and why&quot; and I say &quot;I think it isn&#039;t, and why&quot; - we can come to an understanding, and I may change my mind. If you say &quot;your argument is invalid because you are racist&quot; I&#039;m going to say &quot;screw you, I&#039;m going home.&quot; And if you&#039;re right, I don&#039;t learn anything. And if you&#039;re wrong, you drove me away needlessly by calling names.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really believe it is a crime, or equivalent. It is however, pretty damaging to constructive discourse. If you called me a child-molester, it&#8217;s not as bad  as actually abusing children, but if I don&#8217;t think I *have* been abusing children, it&#8217;s not going to make me want to talk to you any more. Maybe I just think that paddling is an acceptable form of discipline, or don&#8217;t consider nudity to be a taboo. Moreover, if you call me a molester, it is obviously going to do bad things for my reputation. Again, that&#8217;s not as bad as being molested myself, but it&#8217;s still bad.</p>
<p>My point is that while there are some areas that are *obviously* racism, there are many areas that are debatable, and need to be defined as racist by social consensus. Even more than that, there are facts and statistics that can be used for racist ends, but are not themselves racist, and we need to be able to distinguish which someone is doing when they discuss them. Initially, saying that a view is racist needs to be a statement of opinion on that view, not a hard indisputable fact declared by the accuser, and not a deeper judgment on the accused&#8217;s character.</p>
<p>Because if that model is achieved, it is much *less* hostile to label something racist, and therefore much *easier* to correct people on their actual racism.</p>
<p>If you say &#8220;I think that statement is racist, and why&#8221; and I say &#8220;I think it isn&#8217;t, and why&#8221; &#8211; we can come to an understanding, and I may change my mind. If you say &#8220;your argument is invalid because you are racist&#8221; I&#8217;m going to say &#8220;screw you, I&#8217;m going home.&#8221; And if you&#8217;re right, I don&#8217;t learn anything. And if you&#8217;re wrong, you drove me away needlessly by calling names.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 12:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an example of someone who thinks being called a racist is a &quot;crime&quot; akin to, you know, actually doing and saying racist things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an example of someone who thinks being called a racist is a &#8220;crime&#8221; akin to, you know, actually doing and saying racist things.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am going to re-post what I stated elsewhere:

One thought I would add to his commentary is that someone can be racist,
 but that doesn&#039;t mean they are a &quot;bad&quot; person. I can understand not 
wanting to outright call someone racist for the sake of trying to have 
meaningful dialogue regarding racism and prejudice, yet at the same time
 I feel we then reach the conundrum of there being lots of people saying
 and doing racist things but there being no named racists. When there 
are no &quot;racists&quot; people seem to believe racism is not a problem anymore 
(&quot;I&#039;m not racist but...&quot;). I&#039;ve come across many white people who seem 
to think being called a racist is worse than actually doing racist 
things. We need to redefine the word from the extreme and limited 
definition it has had in recent years. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to re-post what I stated elsewhere:</p>
<p>One thought I would add to his commentary is that someone can be racist,<br />
 but that doesn&#8217;t mean they are a &#8220;bad&#8221; person. I can understand not<br />
wanting to outright call someone racist for the sake of trying to have<br />
meaningful dialogue regarding racism and prejudice, yet at the same time<br />
 I feel we then reach the conundrum of there being lots of people saying<br />
 and doing racist things but there being no named racists. When there<br />
are no &#8220;racists&#8221; people seem to believe racism is not a problem anymore<br />
(&#8220;I&#8217;m not racist but&#8230;&#8221;). I&#8217;ve come across many white people who seem<br />
to think being called a racist is worse than actually doing racist<br />
things. We need to redefine the word from the extreme and limited<br />
definition it has had in recent years. </p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert P.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gilbert P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is the question begging here.  What do you say to Charles Murray and Richard Hernstein? Would you really patronize them with stuff about &#039;Food in their teeth&#039;? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is the question begging here.  What do you say to Charles Murray and Richard Hernstein? Would you really patronize them with stuff about &#8216;Food in their teeth&#8217;? </p>
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		<title>By: Cocojams Jambalayah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cocojams Jambalayah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gwen Sharp, in your post you described  the presentation given by Jay Smooth as  excellent and described the video of that talk as &quot;a great 11-minute video on how we might try to discuss race, and racism, constructively&quot;. If you wanted a discussion about that presentation, it seems to me that you might have been less effusive in your description of it.

Jay Smooth is a very articulate &amp; personable speaker. I agree with him that the &quot;tonsillectomy&quot; concept about removing racism isn&#039;t valid. Racism isn&#039;t something that is totally removed at one given point in time. 

I believe that the dental hygiene analogy is more valid , except for the burden that Jay Smooth seems to put on someone else telling the person that she (or he) needs to brush her (or his) teeth, or the burden that Jay Smooth seems to put on someone else telling the person that she (or he) has something caught in her (or his) teeth. Continuing with that dental hygiene analogy, people should know when their teeth need brushing just because of how their teeth feel. And, continuing with that analogy, most of the time, people know when they have something caught in their teeth because they can feel it, and it doesn&#039;t feel comfortable. I&#039;d love for people to take more responsibility for their own dental hygiene.

However, when people say or do or write something racist, they may not be aware of it. So then, the burden does fall on someone else to point out to them that what thy have said, or done, or wrote is racist. Often, given the way the world is, that burden falls most heavily on members of the race or ethnic group which has been directly targeted by that racism. (Of course, we could substitute sexual orientation, gender, class, religion, nationality, etc for race). 

But-on this blog for example- when a person points out to the moderators that &quot;you have something caught in your teeth&quot; almost always there is NO response from those moderators. 

Or some other bloggers will jump to the defense of those moderators (for one reason or another)  and (continuing the dental hygiene analogy) will write that &quot;No they don&#039;t have anything stuck in their teeth&quot; and/or No one else noticed that the person has something in her (or his) teeth so you must be imagining things. Other reactions on this blog and elsewhere are &quot;Aren&#039;t you rude to suggest that a person has something stuck in her teeth!&quot; , and/or &quot;No there&#039;s nothing wrong with her teeth. &lt;i&gt;You&#039;re&lt;/i&gt; the one who has dirty teeth.&quot;  Furthermore, on this blog and elsewhere-still continuing with the &quot;you have something stuck in your teeth analogy&quot;, another response to someone pointing that out is to say &quot;You&#039;re obsessed with the topic of clean teeth (because) you&#039;re  always telling people that they need to do a better job of cleaning their teeth.&quot; 

It seems to me that often people either really don&#039;t see &quot;the food stuck in another person&#039;s teeth&quot; or they think the food is supposed to be stuck in that person&#039;s teeth, because their teeth also has food stuck in them. After all, it&#039;s usually part of  appropriate societal behavior to act like you don&#039;t see the food stuck in another person&#039;s (or your own) teeth. This reaction might be similar to seeing a man you don&#039;t know whose pants zipper is down. The usual societal reaction wouldn&#039;t be to go up to him and tell him &quot;Zip up your pants&quot;. This is particularly true if it&#039;s a female who notices that a male&#039;s zipper is down. You just pretend that you don&#039;t see it. Maybe a male can accept another male telling him that his fly is open, but a woman telling him that? That puts him in an awkward and embarrassing situation. In the same sense, maybe people of the same race are more accepting of someone from their race telling them that what they said or did is racist than people from other races telling them the same thing. 

My bottom line is that I would be more inclined to believe that the moderators of this blog really were interested in open discussions about race &amp; racism if they engaged in  discussions with bloggers here rather than just published post after post about race and racism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gwen Sharp, in your post you described  the presentation given by Jay Smooth as  excellent and described the video of that talk as &#8220;a great 11-minute video on how we might try to discuss race, and racism, constructively&#8221;. If you wanted a discussion about that presentation, it seems to me that you might have been less effusive in your description of it.</p>
<p>Jay Smooth is a very articulate &amp; personable speaker. I agree with him that the &#8220;tonsillectomy&#8221; concept about removing racism isn&#8217;t valid. Racism isn&#8217;t something that is totally removed at one given point in time. </p>
<p>I believe that the dental hygiene analogy is more valid , except for the burden that Jay Smooth seems to put on someone else telling the person that she (or he) needs to brush her (or his) teeth, or the burden that Jay Smooth seems to put on someone else telling the person that she (or he) has something caught in her (or his) teeth. Continuing with that dental hygiene analogy, people should know when their teeth need brushing just because of how their teeth feel. And, continuing with that analogy, most of the time, people know when they have something caught in their teeth because they can feel it, and it doesn&#8217;t feel comfortable. I&#8217;d love for people to take more responsibility for their own dental hygiene.</p>
<p>However, when people say or do or write something racist, they may not be aware of it. So then, the burden does fall on someone else to point out to them that what thy have said, or done, or wrote is racist. Often, given the way the world is, that burden falls most heavily on members of the race or ethnic group which has been directly targeted by that racism. (Of course, we could substitute sexual orientation, gender, class, religion, nationality, etc for race). </p>
<p>But-on this blog for example- when a person points out to the moderators that &#8220;you have something caught in your teeth&#8221; almost always there is NO response from those moderators. </p>
<p>Or some other bloggers will jump to the defense of those moderators (for one reason or another)  and (continuing the dental hygiene analogy) will write that &#8220;No they don&#8217;t have anything stuck in their teeth&#8221; and/or No one else noticed that the person has something in her (or his) teeth so you must be imagining things. Other reactions on this blog and elsewhere are &#8220;Aren&#8217;t you rude to suggest that a person has something stuck in her teeth!&#8221; , and/or &#8220;No there&#8217;s nothing wrong with her teeth. <i>You&#8217;re</i> the one who has dirty teeth.&#8221;  Furthermore, on this blog and elsewhere-still continuing with the &#8220;you have something stuck in your teeth analogy&#8221;, another response to someone pointing that out is to say &#8220;You&#8217;re obsessed with the topic of clean teeth (because) you&#8217;re  always telling people that they need to do a better job of cleaning their teeth.&#8221; </p>
<p>It seems to me that often people either really don&#8217;t see &#8220;the food stuck in another person&#8217;s teeth&#8221; or they think the food is supposed to be stuck in that person&#8217;s teeth, because their teeth also has food stuck in them. After all, it&#8217;s usually part of  appropriate societal behavior to act like you don&#8217;t see the food stuck in another person&#8217;s (or your own) teeth. This reaction might be similar to seeing a man you don&#8217;t know whose pants zipper is down. The usual societal reaction wouldn&#8217;t be to go up to him and tell him &#8220;Zip up your pants&#8221;. This is particularly true if it&#8217;s a female who notices that a male&#8217;s zipper is down. You just pretend that you don&#8217;t see it. Maybe a male can accept another male telling him that his fly is open, but a woman telling him that? That puts him in an awkward and embarrassing situation. In the same sense, maybe people of the same race are more accepting of someone from their race telling them that what they said or did is racist than people from other races telling them the same thing. </p>
<p>My bottom line is that I would be more inclined to believe that the moderators of this blog really were interested in open discussions about race &amp; racism if they engaged in  discussions with bloggers here rather than just published post after post about race and racism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jinx J</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jinx J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never seen that meritocracy argument. That&#039;s such a good find. Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never seen that meritocracy argument. That&#8217;s such a good find. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Mae Spires</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mae Spires]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And Yrro, as a longtime reader and commenter, I would like to say that I hope you will continue to comment, despite Steve Pan&#039;s vocal annoyance.  You bring a different view to bear on the issues discussed, and I appreciate that.  Ostensibly, we come here to challenge ourselves to think deeply and earnestly about sociological issues.  Society isn&#039;t an echo chamber of one&#039;s own values -- this forum shouldn&#039;t be either.  The free exchange of ideas is a basic principle of academic discourse.  As long as the tone is civil and engaged, I want *more* viewpoints, not less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Yrro, as a longtime reader and commenter, I would like to say that I hope you will continue to comment, despite Steve Pan&#8217;s vocal annoyance.  You bring a different view to bear on the issues discussed, and I appreciate that.  Ostensibly, we come here to challenge ourselves to think deeply and earnestly about sociological issues.  Society isn&#8217;t an echo chamber of one&#8217;s own values &#8212; this forum shouldn&#8217;t be either.  The free exchange of ideas is a basic principle of academic discourse.  As long as the tone is civil and engaged, I want *more* viewpoints, not less.</p>
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		<title>By: Mae Spires</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/11/21/jay-smooth-on-constructive-conversations-about-race/comment-page-1/#comment-539387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mae Spires]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please, let&#039;s stop with the ad hominem.  I&#039;d much rather see Yrro&#039;s comments than these ones.  Yrro is being completely civil, and he&#039;s clearly not trolling.  The definition of troll is not &quot;someone I disagree with&quot;.  No, not even if you *strongly* disagree with them.
Either make an argument of your own or be quiet, because right now, you&#039;re the one who&#039;s not adding to the discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, let&#8217;s stop with the ad hominem.  I&#8217;d much rather see Yrro&#8217;s comments than these ones.  Yrro is being completely civil, and he&#8217;s clearly not trolling.  The definition of troll is not &#8220;someone I disagree with&#8221;.  No, not even if you *strongly* disagree with them.<br />
Either make an argument of your own or be quiet, because right now, you&#8217;re the one who&#8217;s not adding to the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pan</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/11/21/jay-smooth-on-constructive-conversations-about-race/comment-page-1/#comment-539369</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Pan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you&#039;re a terrible poster and some kind of weak concern troll]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re a terrible poster and some kind of weak concern troll</p>
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