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		<title>By: The Facebook Eye &#171; Acbnews ‎Online:@Acbnews:Follow and Retweet and you could win Kshs 10,000,WINNER TO BE ANNOUNCED ON @ACBNEWS ON TWITTER ON SEPT 9TH OF 2012. TO ADVERTISE ON OUR HOMEPAGE FRONTAL,KSHS 10,OOO PER DAY CALL +254712483612,E:aanm.ffp@</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Facebook Eye &#171; Acbnews ‎Online:@Acbnews:Follow and Retweet and you could win Kshs 10,000,WINNER TO BE ANNOUNCED ON @ACBNEWS ON TWITTER ON SEPT 9TH OF 2012. TO ADVERTISE ON OUR HOMEPAGE FRONTAL,KSHS 10,OOO PER DAY CALL +254712483612,E:aanm.ffp@]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] into something that fits into a database , or how Facebook misuses that database to earn fantastic profits. These are valid critiques; however, my concern is that the ultimate power of social media is how [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] into something that fits into a database , or how Facebook misuses that database to earn fantastic profits. These are valid critiques; however, my concern is that the ultimate power of social media is how [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: The Facebook Eye &#171; tom.basson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Facebook Eye &#171; tom.basson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 06:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] into something that fits into a database , or how Facebook misuses that database to earn fantastic profits. These are valid critiques; however, my concern is that the ultimate power of social media is how [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] into something that fits into a database , or how Facebook misuses that database to earn fantastic profits. These are valid critiques; however, my concern is that the ultimate power of social media is how [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: 01.16.12 The Afternoon Delight &#124; Oregon Emerging Local Government Leaders Network</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/08/30/does-facebook-exploit-its-users/comment-page-1/#comment-543430</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[01.16.12 The Afternoon Delight &#124; Oregon Emerging Local Government Leaders Network]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] into something that fits into a database , or how Facebook misuses that database to earnfantastic profits. These are valid critiques; however, my concern is that the ultimate power of social media is how [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] into something that fits into a database , or how Facebook misuses that database to earnfantastic profits. These are valid critiques; however, my concern is that the ultimate power of social media is how [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: The Facebook Eye &#171; n a t h a n j u r g e n s o n</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/08/30/does-facebook-exploit-its-users/comment-page-1/#comment-543317</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Facebook Eye &#171; n a t h a n j u r g e n s o n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] into something that fits into a database , or how Facebook misuses that database to earnfantastic profits. These are valid critiques; however, my concern is that the ultimate power of social media is how [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] into something that fits into a database , or how Facebook misuses that database to earnfantastic profits. These are valid critiques; however, my concern is that the ultimate power of social media is how [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: nathanjurgenson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nathanjurgenson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[correct, exploitation is an objective measure of wages paid versus value created - and that is just what i said in the post. when i ask if users &quot;feel&quot; exploited i am referring to false consciousness versus class consciousness; again, consistent with marx&#039;s ideas.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correct, exploitation is an objective measure of wages paid versus value created &#8211; and that is just what i said in the post. when i ask if users &#8220;feel&#8221; exploited i am referring to false consciousness versus class consciousness; again, consistent with marx&#8217;s ideas.  </p>
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		<title>By: Does Facebook Exploit Its Users? &#171; n a t h a n j u r g e n s o n</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Does Facebook Exploit Its Users? &#171; n a t h a n j u r g e n s o n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alan Oursland</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Oursland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an employee you HAVE to create more value than you are being paid. If you don&#039;t, you are not going to be hired. 

If you are selling a product, you HAVE to provide more value to customers than what you are asking those customers to pay. If you don&#039;t, customers won&#039;t buy your product.

Another way to look at this is: As a member of this economy you try to create value for others and you try to keep some of that value for yourself in exchange for your work. The ethics around what percentage of value should goes to each side seems to be a difficult question. I have no idea how to define that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an employee you HAVE to create more value than you are being paid. If you don&#8217;t, you are not going to be hired. </p>
<p>If you are selling a product, you HAVE to provide more value to customers than what you are asking those customers to pay. If you don&#8217;t, customers won&#8217;t buy your product.</p>
<p>Another way to look at this is: As a member of this economy you try to create value for others and you try to keep some of that value for yourself in exchange for your work. The ethics around what percentage of value should goes to each side seems to be a difficult question. I have no idea how to define that.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawkbrwn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hawkbrwn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the article is flawed. exploitation isn&#039;t and has never been a feeling. marx, whose work is drawn on here, certainly never expressed it as such, and would also likely take that to be an unfortunate misunderstanding of his term, and his ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the article is flawed. exploitation isn&#8217;t and has never been a feeling. marx, whose work is drawn on here, certainly never expressed it as such, and would also likely take that to be an unfortunate misunderstanding of his term, and his ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Autumn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Autumn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is absolutely exploitation--just because it has a happy face on it doesn&#039;t mean that it&#039;s not exploitation, which doesn&#039;t always come in the form of hard labor. It&#039;s social labor for profit that we perform.

There&#039;s an interesting take on this by Rob Horning--whose blog often asks these sorts of questions: http://www.popmatters.com/pm/blogs/marginal-utility/ --over at n+1, where he likens Facebook labor to the fast fashion world of the likes of Forever 21. http://nplusonemag.com/the-accidental-bricoleurs]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is absolutely exploitation&#8211;just because it has a happy face on it doesn&#8217;t mean that it&#8217;s not exploitation, which doesn&#8217;t always come in the form of hard labor. It&#8217;s social labor for profit that we perform.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an interesting take on this by Rob Horning&#8211;whose blog often asks these sorts of questions: <a href="http://www.popmatters.com/pm/blogs/marginal-utility/" rel="nofollow">http://www.popmatters.com/pm/blogs/marginal-utility/</a> &#8211;over at n+1, where he likens Facebook labor to the fast fashion world of the likes of Forever 21. <a href="http://nplusonemag.com/the-accidental-bricoleurs" rel="nofollow">http://nplusonemag.com/the-accidental-bricoleurs</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Sunlight</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ms. Sunlight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 12:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All economic theories are going to be &quot;flat wrong&quot; sometimes, because (a) they model rather than circumscribe and (b) because environmental variables change in unexpected ways - politics, technology, resources etc.

(I consider myself a socialist politically but certainly not a Marxian economically.  My mum was an antiques dealer until she retired; she always maintains that to say something had an absolute value is incorrect; something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it at that very moment.)

With regards to Facebook and other social networks, the only question for most users is whether what they are getting out is worth what they are putting in, not what anyone else is getting out of what they put in.  I think it&#039;s too soon to say we understand for certain the larger social and political implications of this, especially in terms of the creation of multinational monopolies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All economic theories are going to be &#8220;flat wrong&#8221; sometimes, because (a) they model rather than circumscribe and (b) because environmental variables change in unexpected ways &#8211; politics, technology, resources etc.</p>
<p>(I consider myself a socialist politically but certainly not a Marxian economically.  My mum was an antiques dealer until she retired; she always maintains that to say something had an absolute value is incorrect; something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it at that very moment.)</p>
<p>With regards to Facebook and other social networks, the only question for most users is whether what they are getting out is worth what they are putting in, not what anyone else is getting out of what they put in.  I think it&#8217;s too soon to say we understand for certain the larger social and political implications of this, especially in terms of the creation of multinational monopolies.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 23:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, you&#039;ve created a false dichotomy. Plus, anytime anyone says &quot;just flat wrong.&quot; I know they are posturing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you&#8217;ve created a false dichotomy. Plus, anytime anyone says &#8220;just flat wrong.&#8221; I know they are posturing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 23:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The people that say they don&#039;t notice ads are always the ones covered in labels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people that say they don&#8217;t notice ads are always the ones covered in labels.</p>
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		<title>By: C. D. Leavitt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C. D. Leavitt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 23:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t need your real name for Facebook. One of my &quot;friends&quot; is named Fluffy Pillow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t need your real name for Facebook. One of my &#8220;friends&#8221; is named Fluffy Pillow.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not only do they not record and sell the videos to unknown third parties, they don&#039;t insist on my real name or any other personal information (for the purposes of singing…I&#039;m pretty sure the person checking ID isn&#039;t keeping my information), they don&#039;t make money off the private conversations I have at my table with my friends, there&#039;s no pressure to perform if I don&#039;t want to, and the performance is understood as performance, rather than as sharing or socializing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only do they not record and sell the videos to unknown third parties, they don&#8217;t insist on my real name or any other personal information (for the purposes of singing…I&#8217;m pretty sure the person checking ID isn&#8217;t keeping my information), they don&#8217;t make money off the private conversations I have at my table with my friends, there&#8217;s no pressure to perform if I don&#8217;t want to, and the performance is understood as performance, rather than as sharing or socializing.</p>
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		<title>By: nmlop</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nmlop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point!

This reminds me of Mackenzie Wark&#039;s Hacker Manifesto: http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors0/warktext.html which is a lot like a Marxist analysis of this broad phenomenon (though as with much writing on the internet, parts of it are very dated - and I think it was written before facebook). In Wark&#039;s framework, the &quot;hacker class&quot; is anyone who produces anything - content, creative writing, code, crafts, youtube videos, art, music, or even as in this case, personal information - and the &quot;vectoralist class,&quot; through privatization and corporatization, exploits hackers by controlling and profiting off of the flow of the content that they produce. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point!</p>
<p>This reminds me of Mackenzie Wark&#8217;s Hacker Manifesto: <a href="http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors0/warktext.html" rel="nofollow">http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors0/warktext.html</a> which is a lot like a Marxist analysis of this broad phenomenon (though as with much writing on the internet, parts of it are very dated &#8211; and I think it was written before facebook). In Wark&#8217;s framework, the &#8220;hacker class&#8221; is anyone who produces anything &#8211; content, creative writing, code, crafts, youtube videos, art, music, or even as in this case, personal information &#8211; and the &#8220;vectoralist class,&#8221; through privatization and corporatization, exploits hackers by controlling and profiting off of the flow of the content that they produce. </p>
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