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		<title>By: Pal20</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 23:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pal20</title>
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		<title>By: Rosi90</title>
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		<title>By: Rosi90</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: louise</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[May i point out as a person from the caribbean many &quot;black west indians&quot; have heritage in the new world, caribs were very resistant to colonialisation and some remain to this day some islands, albeit very mixed race]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May i point out as a person from the caribbean many &#8220;black west indians&#8221; have heritage in the new world, caribs were very resistant to colonialisation and some remain to this day some islands, albeit very mixed race</p>
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		<title>By: Cocojams Jambalayah</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 03:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Related subjects:This post motivated me to do some online searching for information about the use &amp; meanings of feather headresses and other feather decorations in the world throughout history. 

Some here may find these two links from the same website to be interesting reading:

http://www.greecetravel.com/archaeology/mitsopoulou/feathers/index.htmCommon Origins of Man: A Universal 
Practice
The Decoration of the Head With Feathers
by Theresa 
Mitsopoulou 
and
http://www.greecetravel.com/archaeology/mitsopoulou/feathers/page2.htm
American Indians, Their Headresses and Shields;
 Feathers, Shields and Headresses from Other 
Societies ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related subjects:This post motivated me to do some online searching for information about the use &amp; meanings of feather headresses and other feather decorations in the world throughout history. </p>
<p>Some here may find these two links from the same website to be interesting reading:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.greecetravel.com/archaeology/mitsopoulou/feathers/index.htmCommon" rel="nofollow">http://www.greecetravel.com/archaeology/mitsopoulou/feathers/index.htmCommon</a> Origins of Man: A Universal<br />
Practice<br />
The Decoration of the Head With Feathers<br />
by Theresa<br />
Mitsopoulou<br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.greecetravel.com/archaeology/mitsopoulou/feathers/page2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.greecetravel.com/archaeology/mitsopoulou/feathers/page2.htm</a><br />
American Indians, Their Headresses and Shields;<br />
 Feathers, Shields and Headresses from Other<br />
Societies </p>
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		<title>By: Cocojams Jambalayah</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Caribana is Toronto, Canada&#039;s celebration of Caribbean cultures. It&#039;s a carnival. People have come to expect that female carnival paraders wear what their cultures consider to be bikini-like sexy outfits. For various reasons, females wearing feather headresses and skimpy outfits based on the various groups&#039; interpretation of a  particular cultural theme is a central feature of many African Diaspora carnivals (including the one in Toronto and the one in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil). As I mentioned  in my previous comment, wearing feathers is a traditional feature of some African cultures. And for females and males paraders in African Diaspora carnivals such as all the ones I&#039;ve mentioned above -including the famous Rio carnival- wearing costumes &amp; headresses with feathers can be considered a tribute to &lt;b&gt;both&lt;/b&gt; the paraders&#039; African/Indian ancestry and their culture&#039;s African/Indian ancestry. 

That said, the tradition of females wearing skimpy body revealing costumes doesn&#039;t necessarily come from African or Native American traditional cultures. Instead, the carnival tradition of females wearing sexy outfits comes from the American/Western custom of the vaudeville (music hall) chorus line. Furthermore, the music &amp; dancing that is associated with contemporary African Diaspora carnivals- soca much more than steel drums [pan] for Caribbean festivals, as well as Toronto&#039;s Caribbean festival &amp; the New York City&#039;s Caribbean festival) and the samba for the Brazilian festival-definitely are associated with females publicly flaunting their sexiness.

Here&#039;s a video of scenes from 2007 Caribana: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S7gVradVCo&amp;feature=relatedCARIBANA - Caribana parade in beautiful Toronto Canada  

Here&#039;s a photo collage of the Brazilian festival http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vzNtuAFXzg&amp;feature=relatedWatch Brazil 2011 Carnival Preview: Brazil Carnival 2011 Rio  
 
In some sense, the expectation that female paraders at African Diaspora carnivals will wear chorus girl type bikinis that many would consider to be sexy is similar to the  expectation that female cheerleaders, figure skaters, and tennis players will wear the revealing outfits they do. Some feminists (female and male) can maintain that it is wrong for these females to wear outfits that flaunt their sexiness. However, in my opinion, that debate is separate from the subject of whether Afro-Caribbean people should dress up like Indians. I think that we can if we don&#039;t name a specific real life tribe or nation.  In my opinion, wearing costumes that are named after specific real life Native American populations moves this custom of wearing feathers and skimpy clothing into cultural inappropriateness.  So to be clear, I believe that Black people who may or may not have Indian ancestry can wrongly appropriate customs from Indian people, regardless of whether those Black people have any Indian ancestry or not. 

I also believe that people of African descent can wrongly appropriate customs or group names from other people of African descent. For example, I think the Rock &amp; Roll dance &quot;The Watusi&quot; is culturally inappropriate. I also had a LOT of issues with the black faced, coconut throwing African American Mardi Gras kwewe, the Zulu Social Aid &amp; Pleasure Club. It seems from their photos this African American Mardi Gras kwewe is moving away from wearing blackface. I believe that they did so or are doing so because of public pressure from other African Americans. In my opinion rightfully so. http://www.kreweofzulu.com/gallery/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caribana is Toronto, Canada&#8217;s celebration of Caribbean cultures. It&#8217;s a carnival. People have come to expect that female carnival paraders wear what their cultures consider to be bikini-like sexy outfits. For various reasons, females wearing feather headresses and skimpy outfits based on the various groups&#8217; interpretation of a  particular cultural theme is a central feature of many African Diaspora carnivals (including the one in Toronto and the one in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil). As I mentioned  in my previous comment, wearing feathers is a traditional feature of some African cultures. And for females and males paraders in African Diaspora carnivals such as all the ones I&#8217;ve mentioned above -including the famous Rio carnival- wearing costumes &amp; headresses with feathers can be considered a tribute to <b>both</b> the paraders&#8217; African/Indian ancestry and their culture&#8217;s African/Indian ancestry. </p>
<p>That said, the tradition of females wearing skimpy body revealing costumes doesn&#8217;t necessarily come from African or Native American traditional cultures. Instead, the carnival tradition of females wearing sexy outfits comes from the American/Western custom of the vaudeville (music hall) chorus line. Furthermore, the music &amp; dancing that is associated with contemporary African Diaspora carnivals- soca much more than steel drums [pan] for Caribbean festivals, as well as Toronto&#8217;s Caribbean festival &amp; the New York City&#8217;s Caribbean festival) and the samba for the Brazilian festival-definitely are associated with females publicly flaunting their sexiness.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a video of scenes from 2007 Caribana: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S7gVradVCo&#038;feature=relatedCARIBANA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S7gVradVCo&#038;feature=relatedCARIBANA</a> &#8211; Caribana parade in beautiful Toronto Canada  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a photo collage of the Brazilian festival <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vzNtuAFXzg&#038;feature=relatedWatch" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vzNtuAFXzg&#038;feature=relatedWatch</a> Brazil 2011 Carnival Preview: Brazil Carnival 2011 Rio <br />
 <br />
In some sense, the expectation that female paraders at African Diaspora carnivals will wear chorus girl type bikinis that many would consider to be sexy is similar to the  expectation that female cheerleaders, figure skaters, and tennis players will wear the revealing outfits they do. Some feminists (female and male) can maintain that it is wrong for these females to wear outfits that flaunt their sexiness. However, in my opinion, that debate is separate from the subject of whether Afro-Caribbean people should dress up like Indians. I think that we can if we don&#8217;t name a specific real life tribe or nation.  In my opinion, wearing costumes that are named after specific real life Native American populations moves this custom of wearing feathers and skimpy clothing into cultural inappropriateness.  So to be clear, I believe that Black people who may or may not have Indian ancestry can wrongly appropriate customs from Indian people, regardless of whether those Black people have any Indian ancestry or not. </p>
<p>I also believe that people of African descent can wrongly appropriate customs or group names from other people of African descent. For example, I think the Rock &amp; Roll dance &#8220;The Watusi&#8221; is culturally inappropriate. I also had a LOT of issues with the black faced, coconut throwing African American Mardi Gras kwewe, the Zulu Social Aid &amp; Pleasure Club. It seems from their photos this African American Mardi Gras kwewe is moving away from wearing blackface. I believe that they did so or are doing so because of public pressure from other African Americans. In my opinion rightfully so. <a href="http://www.kreweofzulu.com/gallery/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kreweofzulu.com/gallery/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mars</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 06:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Caribana is like halloween for caribbean women. Costume will project wantoness and sexual availability whatever the theme.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caribana is like halloween for caribbean women. Costume will project wantoness and sexual availability whatever the theme.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think the implication of the comment is that it CAN&#039;T be problematic or appropriative.  I think it&#039;s that to apply all instances of problematic or appropriative behavior to the same &quot;privilege and power vs. lack of privilege and power&quot; dichotomy is inappropriate.  The depiction is still quite problematic, it just needs to have more thought put into it than &quot;a group with clear power over another is appropriating their traditions for amusement.&quot; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the implication of the comment is that it CAN&#8217;T be problematic or appropriative.  I think it&#8217;s that to apply all instances of problematic or appropriative behavior to the same &#8220;privilege and power vs. lack of privilege and power&#8221; dichotomy is inappropriate.  The depiction is still quite problematic, it just needs to have more thought put into it than &#8220;a group with clear power over another is appropriating their traditions for amusement.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Pinfold</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gilbert Pinfold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 00:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree.  All this earnest talk about &#039;authenticism&#039;.  What happened to post modernism, humour, sexiness... you know, subversion of stereotypes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  All this earnest talk about &#8216;authenticism&#8217;.  What happened to post modernism, humour, sexiness&#8230; you know, subversion of stereotypes?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Skye</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Skye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 00:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it has something to do with &quot;Native Americans&quot;. As a female bodied Anishinaabe person I have to deal with the consequences of this particular brand of &quot;men&#039;s fantasies of exotic sexual partners&quot;. It reinforces the all to prevalent belief that First Nations women are objects for men&#039;s sexual gratification. It affects First Nations women in the higher rates of sexual harassment and violence committed against us (often by non-First Nations men). It&#039;s possible for it to be a problem of both gender and race at the same time and, trust me, when the two intersect it often feels way shittier than times when we have to deal with either sexism or racism on their own. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it has something to do with &#8220;Native Americans&#8221;. As a female bodied Anishinaabe person I have to deal with the consequences of this particular brand of &#8220;men&#8217;s fantasies of exotic sexual partners&#8221;. It reinforces the all to prevalent belief that First Nations women are objects for men&#8217;s sexual gratification. It affects First Nations women in the higher rates of sexual harassment and violence committed against us (often by non-First Nations men). It&#8217;s possible for it to be a problem of both gender and race at the same time and, trust me, when the two intersect it often feels way shittier than times when we have to deal with either sexism or racism on their own. </p>
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		<title>By: Cocojams Jambalayah</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gwen, the comment that you quoted which was written by deadwards indicated that &quot;[This is a] celebration of historic alliances between African Diaspora peoples and  Native peoples&quot;

In your comment that serves as a response, it appears to me that you completely disregarded the &quot;historic alliance&quot; portion of that comment and wrote that &quot;So the argument is that this can’t be problematic cultural appropriation or propagation of the sexualized Indian Princess trope because it is part of an event meant to celebrate and recognize the histories and cultures of groups that have themselves been the target of discrimination and political/cultural exclusion.&quot;

-snip-

The point that deadwards was making was that there have long been traditional relationships between Native Americans and African Americans, including intermixing &amp; intermarriage. That commenter refers to the Mardi Gras Indians of New Orleans. Here&#039;s an excerpt about the Mardi Gras Indians of New Orleans:
 

&quot;A Short History Of Mardi Gras Indians&quot; by Willie
W. Clark Jr.  (11-16-1999) 
http://www.mardigrasdigest.com/Sec_mgind/history.htm :


&lt;blockquote&gt;The Black Mardi Gras Indians of New Orleans are a
unique sub-culture of a highly diverse and complex group of the local
population . The tradition of these masking Indians, dates back to the
1700&#039;s.  The scholars that claim to know the origins of the Mardi Gras Indians (a two hundred year old tradition) sometimes conflict on the precise history. As a result of this lack of a solid path in the knowledge of Indian history, many theories abound, but this much is for certain, the Indians have preserved some of their culture and history in the guise of tradition, and that tradition at the time of Mardi Gras, is now an integral part of New Orleans. In the heart of New Orleans since the 1780&#039;s and perhaps earlier, this ancient colorful and artistic culture has been practiced. A culture, that be it known, exhibits all of that tradition, with some of the
positive heritage, and is quite a unique history.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

-snip-

Nickey Robo provided the link to the Wikipedia page. Here&#039;s a link to one of many YouTube videos of the Mardi Gras Indians:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=885H8Nm4zJ4
Mardi Gras Indians 2 21 09

-snip-

The connection between the New Orlean Mardi Gras Indians and the Afro-Caribbean junkanoo groups and other Afro-Caribbean festive groups should also be noted. However, I would like to emphasize that most of the Mardi Gras Indians who mas (wear intricately beaded and feathered outfits) and parade are male. Furthermore, females who mas &amp; parade (such as the Mardi Gras Indian&#039;s &quot;nation&#039;s&quot; Queen) wear long beaded/feathered outfits and NOT bikini-like outfits.And while there are historical connections and some blood ties between many African Americans/Afro-Caribbeans &amp; Native Americans, it&#039;s my strong position that the Caribana bands were &lt;b&gt;very&lt;/b&gt; cultural incompetent to use the names of actual Native American/Indigenous populations (such as &quot;Native 
Apache&quot; or Sacrificial &quot;Mayan Virgins&quot;). And they were wrong to use the general referent &quot;Tribal Princess&quot;. That said, I &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; think that the overall Caribana theme of &quot;Native Americans&quot; was wrong-in part because of the various ties between Black people and Native Americans that I mentioned. 

I believe that the efficacy of the &quot;celebrating Native Americans&quot; theme can &amp; should be separated from the efficacy of the &quot;sexy Indian princess&quot; theme (as the Mardi Gras Indians have done). And I definitely agree with those who have written that the &quot;sexy Indian princess&quot; is not only stereotypical but grossly inappropriate in light of the history and present conditions of First Nation females who have been raped.  Yet, people have come to expect sexy, next to nothing outfits on females who are part of Carnival bands in Brazil, in Trinidad &amp; Tobago, in Toronto, and in New York City (which has one of the largest West Indian festivals in the world), and elsewhere.  And Indians are not the only people in the world who have traditionally wore feathers and beads during festive and/or religious occassions.

In ending this long comment, I want to share these links to another American parade tradition that is known for its&#039; feathered bands-The Philadelphia [Pennsylvania] Mummers. The similarities between the feathered outfits of (the almost totally White) Philadelphia Mummers and the (Black/Black-Indian) Mardi Gras Indian groups is quite striking.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnbXJg-GNiE&amp;feature=related
Greater Overbrook - 2010 Mummers Parade Wide Angle]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gwen, the comment that you quoted which was written by deadwards indicated that &#8220;[This is a] celebration of historic alliances between African Diaspora peoples and  Native peoples&#8221;</p>
<p>In your comment that serves as a response, it appears to me that you completely disregarded the &#8220;historic alliance&#8221; portion of that comment and wrote that &#8220;So the argument is that this can’t be problematic cultural appropriation or propagation of the sexualized Indian Princess trope because it is part of an event meant to celebrate and recognize the histories and cultures of groups that have themselves been the target of discrimination and political/cultural exclusion.&#8221;</p>
<p>-snip-</p>
<p>The point that deadwards was making was that there have long been traditional relationships between Native Americans and African Americans, including intermixing &amp; intermarriage. That commenter refers to the Mardi Gras Indians of New Orleans. Here&#8217;s an excerpt about the Mardi Gras Indians of New Orleans:<br />
 </p>
<p>&#8220;A Short History Of Mardi Gras Indians&#8221; by Willie<br />
W. Clark Jr.  (11-16-1999) <br />
<a href="http://www.mardigrasdigest.com/Sec_mgind/history.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mardigrasdigest.com/Sec_mgind/history.htm</a> :</p>
<blockquote><p>The Black Mardi Gras Indians of New Orleans are a<br />
unique sub-culture of a highly diverse and complex group of the local<br />
population . The tradition of these masking Indians, dates back to the<br />
1700&#8217;s.  The scholars that claim to know the origins of the Mardi Gras Indians (a two hundred year old tradition) sometimes conflict on the precise history. As a result of this lack of a solid path in the knowledge of Indian history, many theories abound, but this much is for certain, the Indians have preserved some of their culture and history in the guise of tradition, and that tradition at the time of Mardi Gras, is now an integral part of New Orleans. In the heart of New Orleans since the 1780&#8217;s and perhaps earlier, this ancient colorful and artistic culture has been practiced. A culture, that be it known, exhibits all of that tradition, with some of the<br />
positive heritage, and is quite a unique history.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Nickey Robo provided the link to the Wikipedia page. Here&#8217;s a link to one of many YouTube videos of the Mardi Gras Indians:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=885H8Nm4zJ4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=885H8Nm4zJ4</a><br />
Mardi Gras Indians 2 21 09</p>
<p>-snip-</p>
<p>The connection between the New Orlean Mardi Gras Indians and the Afro-Caribbean junkanoo groups and other Afro-Caribbean festive groups should also be noted. However, I would like to emphasize that most of the Mardi Gras Indians who mas (wear intricately beaded and feathered outfits) and parade are male. Furthermore, females who mas &amp; parade (such as the Mardi Gras Indian&#8217;s &#8220;nation&#8217;s&#8221; Queen) wear long beaded/feathered outfits and NOT bikini-like outfits.And while there are historical connections and some blood ties between many African Americans/Afro-Caribbeans &amp; Native Americans, it&#8217;s my strong position that the Caribana bands were <b>very</b> cultural incompetent to use the names of actual Native American/Indigenous populations (such as &#8220;Native<br />
Apache&#8221; or Sacrificial &#8220;Mayan Virgins&#8221;). And they were wrong to use the general referent &#8220;Tribal Princess&#8221;. That said, I <i>don&#8217;t</i> think that the overall Caribana theme of &#8220;Native Americans&#8221; was wrong-in part because of the various ties between Black people and Native Americans that I mentioned. </p>
<p>I believe that the efficacy of the &#8220;celebrating Native Americans&#8221; theme can &amp; should be separated from the efficacy of the &#8220;sexy Indian princess&#8221; theme (as the Mardi Gras Indians have done). And I definitely agree with those who have written that the &#8220;sexy Indian princess&#8221; is not only stereotypical but grossly inappropriate in light of the history and present conditions of First Nation females who have been raped.  Yet, people have come to expect sexy, next to nothing outfits on females who are part of Carnival bands in Brazil, in Trinidad &amp; Tobago, in Toronto, and in New York City (which has one of the largest West Indian festivals in the world), and elsewhere.  And Indians are not the only people in the world who have traditionally wore feathers and beads during festive and/or religious occassions.</p>
<p>In ending this long comment, I want to share these links to another American parade tradition that is known for its&#8217; feathered bands-The Philadelphia [Pennsylvania] Mummers. The similarities between the feathered outfits of (the almost totally White) Philadelphia Mummers and the (Black/Black-Indian) Mardi Gras Indian groups is quite striking.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnbXJg-GNiE&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnbXJg-GNiE&#038;feature=related</a><br />
Greater Overbrook &#8211; 2010 Mummers Parade Wide Angle</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[appropriation can be ok when you partner with, in this case, indigenous people - ask their advice, input, inclusion, etc, etc.  but when you string together your stereotypical notion of what an indigenous person is or looks like, it&#039;s just plain ignorant and naive.  It&#039;s great to have education around Indigenous people especially, but there needs to be protocol and accuracy in place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>appropriation can be ok when you partner with, in this case, indigenous people &#8211; ask their advice, input, inclusion, etc, etc.  but when you string together your stereotypical notion of what an indigenous person is or looks like, it&#8217;s just plain ignorant and naive.  It&#8217;s great to have education around Indigenous people especially, but there needs to be protocol and accuracy in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, but you have to ask yourself how Native American women became part of male &#039;exotic&#039; fantasy in the first place. I&#039;ll give you two: they are of a different race, and they are marginalized.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but you have to ask yourself how Native American women became part of male &#8216;exotic&#8217; fantasy in the first place. I&#8217;ll give you two: they are of a different race, and they are marginalized.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, not cool. If people want to celebrate their own cultural links to the Americas, more power to them. But stealing bits and pieces from my unrelated nation is just as inappropriate as me putting on blackface would be. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, not cool. If people want to celebrate their own cultural links to the Americas, more power to them. But stealing bits and pieces from my unrelated nation is just as inappropriate as me putting on blackface would be. </p>
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