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	<title>Comments on: Cal State Newspaper Publishes Mocking &#8220;Review&#8221; of Powwow</title>
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		<title>By: Susan W</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 21:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my opinion, what is being missed here by some is the fact that this is not a &quot;commercialized festivity&quot; to those of us who ARE Native American. I was a women&#039;s traditional dancer at powwows here in Michigan for years. Health issues keep me from going to many now but I still go when I can. To the people I know, this is a way of enjoying ourselves and coming together. We visit, laugh, talk and learn from each other. I have no problem with people coming to watch and learn though. I would rather people ask questions and learn from us, than keep assuming they know who we are. 

Yes, there are vendors. Many of them barely make enough to pay their way there and home. Putting on a powwow is not free. Admission may be charged to pay for event insurance, port-a-potties, licenses needed etc etc. The vendors pay a fee to be there. Many times vendors are selling things they made themselves and trying to help support their families. Some vendors may be selling beads, or other supplies that many of us may purchase for use on our regalia. So the vendors are there for the participants as well as whoever may be there just to watch.

When I go out in that circle in my regalia to dance, I am doing so for me. I don&#039;t care who is looking, watching etc. The drum resonates through me and I move as if the people in the circle are the only ones who exist for me at that time. (To anyone wondering about the clothing: regalia, outfit, traditional clothing are all correct terms, costume is NOT.) The powwow is for US and not designed as a vehicle to entertain others. The public is invited as a way to share information about us. That is a token of friendship. An invitation to have a window into our lives, NOT a performance for you to watch. After the public leaves, sometimes we keep on dancing for a while. Sometimes we sit around campsites and/or fires and sing, laugh, talk, tell jokes. If you are invited to stay and visit with a family and/or group then you are very very lucky. 

I have been stopped at many powwows by those wanting to ask questions. I answer the best that I can. Sometimes I am asked things that I would never ever think to ask another person in ANY culture, but I do my best to be respectful and kind. The MC often shares information during the event in an attempt to educate also. It&#039;s a good idea to listen and also to read the program if there is one. 

All in all what I am saying is this. When attending a powwow (yes even if you paid a fee to get in) you are being invited into our &quot;home&quot; for the weekend. Would you go into a friends home and ridicule them? Would you laugh and denigrate them or would you stop and ask them about things you didn&#039;t understand. To us this is what we are doing, inviting friends into our home, even if it is just our home for that weekend. We are not performing for you. We are dancing for ourselves and our families.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, what is being missed here by some is the fact that this is not a &#8220;commercialized festivity&#8221; to those of us who ARE Native American. I was a women&#8217;s traditional dancer at powwows here in Michigan for years. Health issues keep me from going to many now but I still go when I can. To the people I know, this is a way of enjoying ourselves and coming together. We visit, laugh, talk and learn from each other. I have no problem with people coming to watch and learn though. I would rather people ask questions and learn from us, than keep assuming they know who we are. </p>
<p>Yes, there are vendors. Many of them barely make enough to pay their way there and home. Putting on a powwow is not free. Admission may be charged to pay for event insurance, port-a-potties, licenses needed etc etc. The vendors pay a fee to be there. Many times vendors are selling things they made themselves and trying to help support their families. Some vendors may be selling beads, or other supplies that many of us may purchase for use on our regalia. So the vendors are there for the participants as well as whoever may be there just to watch.</p>
<p>When I go out in that circle in my regalia to dance, I am doing so for me. I don&#8217;t care who is looking, watching etc. The drum resonates through me and I move as if the people in the circle are the only ones who exist for me at that time. (To anyone wondering about the clothing: regalia, outfit, traditional clothing are all correct terms, costume is NOT.) The powwow is for US and not designed as a vehicle to entertain others. The public is invited as a way to share information about us. That is a token of friendship. An invitation to have a window into our lives, NOT a performance for you to watch. After the public leaves, sometimes we keep on dancing for a while. Sometimes we sit around campsites and/or fires and sing, laugh, talk, tell jokes. If you are invited to stay and visit with a family and/or group then you are very very lucky. </p>
<p>I have been stopped at many powwows by those wanting to ask questions. I answer the best that I can. Sometimes I am asked things that I would never ever think to ask another person in ANY culture, but I do my best to be respectful and kind. The MC often shares information during the event in an attempt to educate also. It&#8217;s a good idea to listen and also to read the program if there is one. </p>
<p>All in all what I am saying is this. When attending a powwow (yes even if you paid a fee to get in) you are being invited into our &#8220;home&#8221; for the weekend. Would you go into a friends home and ridicule them? Would you laugh and denigrate them or would you stop and ask them about things you didn&#8217;t understand. To us this is what we are doing, inviting friends into our home, even if it is just our home for that weekend. We are not performing for you. We are dancing for ourselves and our families.</p>
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		<title>By: Jadehawk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jadehawk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;these peoples&quot;, at least around here, call themselves Indians. I&#039;m not going to argue with them about it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;these peoples&#8221;, at least around here, call themselves Indians. I&#8217;m not going to argue with them about it</p>
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		<title>By: larrycwilson</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 19:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To &quot;D&quot;: Just because something is done by all (or most) humans does not make it right. I believe it was Thoreau who said that a man more right than his neighbors was a Majority of One. Of course the Appeal to the Higher Law will not stand up in court...and probably shouldn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To &#8220;D&#8221;: Just because something is done by all (or most) humans does not make it right. I believe it was Thoreau who said that a man more right than his neighbors was a Majority of One. Of course the Appeal to the Higher Law will not stand up in court&#8230;and probably shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Scapino</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scapino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, you come up with an example then! I couldn&#039;t think of any other eternally oppressed groups that have a festival that everyone would be familiar with.

I realize that Germans and Native Americans are not equivalent. I was showing that commercialized festivities are not the same thing as an entire culture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, you come up with an example then! I couldn&#8217;t think of any other eternally oppressed groups that have a festival that everyone would be familiar with.</p>
<p>I realize that Germans and Native Americans are not equivalent. I was showing that commercialized festivities are not the same thing as an entire culture.</p>
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		<title>By: azizi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[azizi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Columbus thought he’d found India and referred to the people as Indian. He was wrong. It was inaccurate then, it is inaccurate now.&quot;
-Soso

Soso, while you&#039;re correct about how the referent &quot;Indians&quot; came to be applied to the population of Indigenous people in the Americas, if the majority of that population wants to use &quot;American Indian&quot; as a collective* referent for themselves, then that&#039;s their choice. 

*By &quot;collective&quot; I mean all the nations of American Indians, and not just specific populations or nations that were (or still are) referred to as &quot;tribes&quot;.

I believe that since I&#039;m not a member of that population, it&#039;s inappropriate for me to say that &quot;American Indian&quot; is &quot;wrong&quot; because it was historically misapplied. There are social meanings, and geographical meanings
for group referents. 

It also appears to me that there&#039;s some flux in (and perhaps even some mild or strong disagreements) about which formal referent most members of American Indians nations (in the United States and Canada) prefer as the formal collective referent for themselves. Hence, people&#039;s often well-intentioned use of different terms or &quot;the wrong&quot; terms. 

This is similar to the changes that occurred in the formal and informal referents for African Americans in the late 1960s to 1980s or so. Even in 2011 some people who aren&#039;t a part of that population may still be unsure what is the most acceptable formal referent for Black Americans. 

As an African American, I think it&#039;s &quot;African American&quot; , with &quot;Black&quot; as an acceptable informal referent, though &quot;Black&quot; also refers to some people who aren&#039;t African Americans.  And still to date some Black Americans will disagree with the use of the referent &quot;Black&quot; or the referent &quot;African American&quot;. See how confusing this could be to well meaning people?

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Also, as a friendly ammendment, Molly I would delete the (or any other white person) phrase in your comment. I&#039;m not &quot;White&quot; and I believe that it doesn&#039;t matter what any other person outside a certain population thinks should be the collective referent for that particular population of people. I believe that that decision needs to come from those people themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Columbus thought he’d found India and referred to the people as Indian. He was wrong. It was inaccurate then, it is inaccurate now.&#8221;<br />
-Soso</p>
<p>Soso, while you&#8217;re correct about how the referent &#8220;Indians&#8221; came to be applied to the population of Indigenous people in the Americas, if the majority of that population wants to use &#8220;American Indian&#8221; as a collective* referent for themselves, then that&#8217;s their choice. </p>
<p>*By &#8220;collective&#8221; I mean all the nations of American Indians, and not just specific populations or nations that were (or still are) referred to as &#8220;tribes&#8221;.</p>
<p>I believe that since I&#8217;m not a member of that population, it&#8217;s inappropriate for me to say that &#8220;American Indian&#8221; is &#8220;wrong&#8221; because it was historically misapplied. There are social meanings, and geographical meanings<br />
for group referents. </p>
<p>It also appears to me that there&#8217;s some flux in (and perhaps even some mild or strong disagreements) about which formal referent most members of American Indians nations (in the United States and Canada) prefer as the formal collective referent for themselves. Hence, people&#8217;s often well-intentioned use of different terms or &#8220;the wrong&#8221; terms. </p>
<p>This is similar to the changes that occurred in the formal and informal referents for African Americans in the late 1960s to 1980s or so. Even in 2011 some people who aren&#8217;t a part of that population may still be unsure what is the most acceptable formal referent for Black Americans. </p>
<p>As an African American, I think it&#8217;s &#8220;African American&#8221; , with &#8220;Black&#8221; as an acceptable informal referent, though &#8220;Black&#8221; also refers to some people who aren&#8217;t African Americans.  And still to date some Black Americans will disagree with the use of the referent &#8220;Black&#8221; or the referent &#8220;African American&#8221;. See how confusing this could be to well meaning people?</p>
<p>**<br />
Also, as a friendly ammendment, Molly I would delete the (or any other white person) phrase in your comment. I&#8217;m not &#8220;White&#8221; and I believe that it doesn&#8217;t matter what any other person outside a certain population thinks should be the collective referent for that particular population of people. I believe that that decision needs to come from those people themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Molly W.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Molly W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I personally think the Canadian term &quot;first nations&quot; is preferable -- but it doesn&#039;t *matter* what I (or any other white person) think, it matters what the people in question think. 

I went with American Indian because the event in question was sponsored by the American Indian Studies Program and the American Indian Student Council. 

(One of the lamer editorial corrections I&#039;ve ever seen was a brochure for a conference held in D.C. that identified the &quot;National Museum of the American Indian&quot; as the &quot;Native American Museum.&quot;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think the Canadian term &#8220;first nations&#8221; is preferable &#8212; but it doesn&#8217;t *matter* what I (or any other white person) think, it matters what the people in question think. </p>
<p>I went with American Indian because the event in question was sponsored by the American Indian Studies Program and the American Indian Student Council. </p>
<p>(One of the lamer editorial corrections I&#8217;ve ever seen was a brochure for a conference held in D.C. that identified the &#8220;National Museum of the American Indian&#8221; as the &#8220;Native American Museum.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: jenna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jenna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 15:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And not just history. The present oppression and issues with how America treats its first peoples.

That is NOTHING like oktoberfest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And not just history. The present oppression and issues with how America treats its first peoples.</p>
<p>That is NOTHING like oktoberfest.</p>
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		<title>By: Soso</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Soso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 14:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We REALLY have to stop calling these peoples &#039;Indian&#039;. When used in the North American context the word &#039;Indian&#039; means &quot;White people are not very bright.&quot; Consider: America = American; Canada = Canadian; India = Indian... I&#039;m sure you get the point. 

Columbus thought he&#039;d found India and referred to the people as Indian. He was wrong. It was inaccurate then, it is inaccurate now. Continuing this &#039;tradition&#039; is always going to be inaccurate. Are White people really that dense? These people are not from India! How difficult is that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We REALLY have to stop calling these peoples &#8216;Indian&#8217;. When used in the North American context the word &#8216;Indian&#8217; means &#8220;White people are not very bright.&#8221; Consider: America = American; Canada = Canadian; India = Indian&#8230; I&#8217;m sure you get the point. </p>
<p>Columbus thought he&#8217;d found India and referred to the people as Indian. He was wrong. It was inaccurate then, it is inaccurate now. Continuing this &#8216;tradition&#8217; is always going to be inaccurate. Are White people really that dense? These people are not from India! How difficult is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Molly W.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Molly W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the line is originally from George Clinton&#039;s &quot;Atomic Dog,&quot; but I&#039;m betting you&#039;re right, the reviewer was referencing the Wild Wild West song -- which makes the title that much more inappropriate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the line is originally from George Clinton&#8217;s &#8220;Atomic Dog,&#8221; but I&#8217;m betting you&#8217;re right, the reviewer was referencing the Wild Wild West song &#8212; which makes the title that much more inappropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Molly W.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Molly W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, duh, I get it now -- non-(American Indian) vs. (non-American) Indian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, duh, I get it now &#8212; non-(American Indian) vs. (non-American) Indian.</p>
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		<title>By: A</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 12:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article&#039;s title is referencing the &quot;bowwow wow yippee yo yippee yay&quot; line from a song, &quot;The Wild Wild West.&quot; I think this is completely unimportant, but I wanted to point it out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article&#8217;s title is referencing the &#8220;bowwow wow yippee yo yippee yay&#8221; line from a song, &#8220;The Wild Wild West.&#8221; I think this is completely unimportant, but I wanted to point it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Molly W.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Molly W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 11:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait, what? American Indian and *Indian* students? Are you making a joke or what? (If so, I don&#039;t get it, can you explain in small words?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, what? American Indian and *Indian* students? Are you making a joke or what? (If so, I don&#8217;t get it, can you explain in small words?)</p>
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		<title>By: Brandy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 10:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What you say is correct. However, just because some shitty behavior is wide-spread, does not change the impact or general horribleness of any particular specific circumstance of it.

Larry was making a relevant point that had a direct relation to the article posted by Gwen (about a white person denigrating a Native American cultural event and by proxy Native American culture). 

You, however, seem to be  attempting to derail said thread by belittling Native American experiences by saying that others have suffered similarly. 

Let me just state that you fail. Hugely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you say is correct. However, just because some shitty behavior is wide-spread, does not change the impact or general horribleness of any particular specific circumstance of it.</p>
<p>Larry was making a relevant point that had a direct relation to the article posted by Gwen (about a white person denigrating a Native American cultural event and by proxy Native American culture). </p>
<p>You, however, seem to be  attempting to derail said thread by belittling Native American experiences by saying that others have suffered similarly. </p>
<p>Let me just state that you fail. Hugely.</p>
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		<title>By: Devon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 04:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks everyone for filling me in on this. Good to know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone for filling me in on this. Good to know.</p>
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		<title>By: :D</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[:D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 02:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, God, they&#039;re deliciously horrible for you. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, God, they&#8217;re deliciously horrible for you. :D</p>
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