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	<title>Comments on: Gender Body Messages in Christmas-Themed Ads</title>
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		<title>By: De Dragon</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/12/24/bad-sweatersexy-outfit-party-guess-which-is-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-572179</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[De Dragon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2013 01:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was the &#039;flexible&#039; that got me.  Why would I want to be more flexible? And is the ad suggesting physical flexibility or moral flexibility? Oh wait, I think I just answered that....If I use the product I will become the sexiest contortionist, stripper/hooker to ever rock a cheap velvet Santa&#039;s helper costume! Map Questing the nearest GNC right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the &#8216;flexible&#8217; that got me.  Why would I want to be more flexible? And is the ad suggesting physical flexibility or moral flexibility? Oh wait, I think I just answered that&#8230;.If I use the product I will become the sexiest contortionist, stripper/hooker to ever rock a cheap velvet Santa&#8217;s helper costume! Map Questing the nearest GNC right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ To be fair, men can obtain that body shape. Women too, just ask bodybuilders. The woman&#039;s shape, however, is physically impossible]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> To be fair, men can obtain that body shape. Women too, just ask bodybuilders. The woman&#8217;s shape, however, is physically impossible</p>
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		<title>By: Xiao Mao</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xiao Mao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Yep, pretty much. Chilling, truly. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Yep, pretty much. Chilling, truly. </p>
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		<title>By: Rabbit</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/12/24/bad-sweatersexy-outfit-party-guess-which-is-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-427396</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rabbit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ditto.  I would have sent it in myself if my cell phone had a camera function.  I NEVER would have noticed (beyond a casual, longing glance at the female image) before I began reading this blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto.  I would have sent it in myself if my cell phone had a camera function.  I NEVER would have noticed (beyond a casual, longing glance at the female image) before I began reading this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 15:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s the whole &quot;Ladies&#039; Night&quot; philosophy done for the holidays.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the whole &#8220;Ladies&#8217; Night&#8221; philosophy done for the holidays.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That sweater thing is shocking. It&#039;s like women aren&#039;t even people. They&#039;re just there to act as boner-inducing room decorations while the men have a party and enjoy themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sweater thing is shocking. It&#8217;s like women aren&#8217;t even people. They&#8217;re just there to act as boner-inducing room decorations while the men have a party and enjoy themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...and you think the image of the man hasn&#039;t?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and you think the image of the man hasn&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I walk by these every day and think of this blog. Thanks for bringing this sort of thing to my attention!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I walk by these every day and think of this blog. Thanks for bringing this sort of thing to my attention!</p>
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		<title>By: jhoff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jhoff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with carlo...the language is gendered but the idea is the same.

As Dave Chapelle said, &quot;guys don&#039;t drive nice cars because they like nice cars.  They drive nice cars because they know women like nice cars&quot;

by which i mean most guys don&#039;t consider getting ripped purely for being ripped (some do! and those guys tend to be the most ripped, but not most), but for the idea of a woman looking at you and going &quot;oooh&quot;. It&#039;s still about being sexy.

You know what is interesting is the way the &quot;ideal&quot; male image is actually changing.  i&#039;ve had more than a few women tell me they like a guy with a belly.  That information left me a little flabbergasted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with carlo&#8230;the language is gendered but the idea is the same.</p>
<p>As Dave Chapelle said, &#8220;guys don&#8217;t drive nice cars because they like nice cars.  They drive nice cars because they know women like nice cars&#8221;</p>
<p>by which i mean most guys don&#8217;t consider getting ripped purely for being ripped (some do! and those guys tend to be the most ripped, but not most), but for the idea of a woman looking at you and going &#8220;oooh&#8221;. It&#8217;s still about being sexy.</p>
<p>You know what is interesting is the way the &#8220;ideal&#8221; male image is actually changing.  i&#8217;ve had more than a few women tell me they like a guy with a belly.  That information left me a little flabbergasted.</p>
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		<title>By: Treefinger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Treefinger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 08:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[K is kind of right- the words next to the male imply that his figure will give him qualities that can be used for things other than pleasing the opposite sex, while those next to the female (except energetic) are all qualities that help her attract men.

I agree with you that the muscled man image is unattainable AND is associated with being sexy for men... it&#039;s just that the sexiness standard is implied rather than overtly stated. The sexiness of the male figure comes from them being athletic, strong, confident- traditionally masculine concepts that a masculine figure can help one achieve. The sexiness of the female figure comes from her being visually sexy. In other words, the sexual attractiveness of the male comes from the traits one would expect someone with that figure to have, while the sexual attractiveness of the female comes from her appealing appearance, and nothing more.

Not that I don&#039;t think some women (there is much more variation in women&#039;s tastes in men&#039;s bodies than men&#039;s in women&#039;s, from what I&#039;ve observed) find muscular men attractive purely for their figure- but the ad doesn&#039;t really acknowledge that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K is kind of right- the words next to the male imply that his figure will give him qualities that can be used for things other than pleasing the opposite sex, while those next to the female (except energetic) are all qualities that help her attract men.</p>
<p>I agree with you that the muscled man image is unattainable AND is associated with being sexy for men&#8230; it&#8217;s just that the sexiness standard is implied rather than overtly stated. The sexiness of the male figure comes from them being athletic, strong, confident- traditionally masculine concepts that a masculine figure can help one achieve. The sexiness of the female figure comes from her being visually sexy. In other words, the sexual attractiveness of the male comes from the traits one would expect someone with that figure to have, while the sexual attractiveness of the female comes from her appealing appearance, and nothing more.</p>
<p>Not that I don&#8217;t think some women (there is much more variation in women&#8217;s tastes in men&#8217;s bodies than men&#8217;s in women&#8217;s, from what I&#8217;ve observed) find muscular men attractive purely for their figure- but the ad doesn&#8217;t really acknowledge that.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 00:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But men aren&#039;t overtly told that they need to look sexy. You see the same thing all the time on the covers of Men&#039;s Health and Women&#039;s Health: &quot;Get Ripped Abs!&quot; vs &quot;Get Sexy Abs!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But men aren&#8217;t overtly told that they need to look sexy. You see the same thing all the time on the covers of Men&#8217;s Health and Women&#8217;s Health: &#8220;Get Ripped Abs!&#8221; vs &#8220;Get Sexy Abs!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[carlo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I disagree than men aren&#039;t supposed to think they need to be more sexy. Imaging any average man walking past that poster, full of unattainable rippling muscles and not thinking, &quot;man, if only i worked out more...&quot;. While I recognize that female sexuality is exploited as an object to sell things, the GNC ad is a different problem. In this case, men and women are both being told they aren&#039;t sexy or attractive unless they look like these models...and the way to look like this is by buying weird supplements in GNC. 

The sweater party thing, on the other hand, is totally a sexist double standard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree than men aren&#8217;t supposed to think they need to be more sexy. Imaging any average man walking past that poster, full of unattainable rippling muscles and not thinking, &#8220;man, if only i worked out more&#8230;&#8221;. While I recognize that female sexuality is exploited as an object to sell things, the GNC ad is a different problem. In this case, men and women are both being told they aren&#8217;t sexy or attractive unless they look like these models&#8230;and the way to look like this is by buying weird supplements in GNC. </p>
<p>The sweater party thing, on the other hand, is totally a sexist double standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Betty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Betty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 08:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, vitamin B complex gives your skin a healthy glow, which I suppose is one definition of &quot;radiant.&quot; Doesn&#039;t have a damn thing to do with gender, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, vitamin B complex gives your skin a healthy glow, which I suppose is one definition of &#8220;radiant.&#8221; Doesn&#8217;t have a damn thing to do with gender, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 07:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In those GNC ads - I can tell you for sure that the image of the woman has been digitally altered.  Her right side has been moved in.  It makes her right breast look much larger, the curve of her hip is unnatural, her waist is not even from side to side, the belt got butchered and has no end; the image is a mess.  It&#039;s obvious if one looks with a critical eye; not so much if one already has a negative self image, and/or is already expecting to be insulted by the picture. 

What&#039;s horrible is that the original image would likely have done its intended job just fine.  Perhaps the marketing department felt that they needed an image that would make *everyone* insecure about their appearance - even those who&#039;ve already gone as far as they can down the rabbit hole of &quot;fitness&quot; - even the original model.  No considerations other than profit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In those GNC ads &#8211; I can tell you for sure that the image of the woman has been digitally altered.  Her right side has been moved in.  It makes her right breast look much larger, the curve of her hip is unnatural, her waist is not even from side to side, the belt got butchered and has no end; the image is a mess.  It&#8217;s obvious if one looks with a critical eye; not so much if one already has a negative self image, and/or is already expecting to be insulted by the picture. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s horrible is that the original image would likely have done its intended job just fine.  Perhaps the marketing department felt that they needed an image that would make *everyone* insecure about their appearance &#8211; even those who&#8217;ve already gone as far as they can down the rabbit hole of &#8220;fitness&#8221; &#8211; even the original model.  No considerations other than profit.</p>
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