Source: http://www.istc.illinois.edu/info/library_docs/manuals/primmetals/chapter4.htm

http://gregzzblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/ajka-okt-9-2010-i.html
http://gregzzblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/ajka-okt-9-2010-ii.html

– hey, this thing was built under communism, and that wasn’t exactly a great time for protesting the state aluminium industry’s plans (and, quite uniguely, the hungarians DID try to get rid of the system altogether as early as ’56 (or, more exactly, to build something of their own and get rid of the soviets), but it ended with tanks and blood and revenge.)

so think before you speak. :P

and even if the shit were newer, given the level of corruption here (altrough i kind of heard, that your perfect, non-balcanic american politicians did speak in their respective lives with lobbyist, too…), protesting the plant could well be close to impossible.

Of course, you can always blame the people for not changing the system altogether blah-blah-blah, but then you’re guilty of not ending global warming RIGHT NOW [/sarcasm]. I’m not telling that human beings have no choices, but these things tend to be complicated, and in the east, there are things like the lack of civilian (socially constructive?) imagination, which was carefully broken in the totalitarian times – and after that, we got flooded with neoliberalism.

if your hobby is telling, that everybody is guilty for enabling shitty things, then you can begin with examining your own position (and if you are american, or come from any place richer than eastern europe, then your privilege means that you’re more responsible).

I think, that these things are complicated, and the catholic concept of guilt is not going to help us resolving them.

And that blaming the victim is just _disgusting_.

I’m directly worried about them! If that stuff is as nasty as it seems, I doubt that rubber boots constitute “adequate protective gear.” Those people are probably going to suffer all kinds of ill effects from this down the line.

The whole thing is just horrifying.

I was just making a joke about how we tend to empathize more with non-humans than with humans in some circumstances. Because most of us identify strongly with other humans, it’s much easier to face the death of a dog. Facing the death of a fellow human means facing our own mortality.

I had no idea this would provoke a whole discussion. That’s what I get for trying to make a joke on the internet, I guess. Sorry for the unintentional trolling!

I had no idea this would provoke a whole discussion. That’s what I get for trying to make a joke on the internet, I guess. Sorry for the unintentional trolling!

So, yeah, you know, I do feel a little worse for the dog, because I know it’s gonna die. I feel bad for the dude with the broom and the guy with the wheelbarrow, because I know that sludge is going to give them health problems till the end of their respective days, but I’m not looking at a signed death warrant in quite the same, very definite, way.

All that said, WHY can’t someone express concern for one thing without expressing concern for another?! If there was a photo of a child coated in sludge and the dog photo, would you have said, “WHAT ABOUT THE DOG? YOU DON’T CARE ABOUT THE DOG?!” if the someone only mentioned the child???