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		<title>By: link hodgepodge &#171; Clare Forstie</title>
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		<dc:creator>link hodgepodge &#171; Clare Forstie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] brief segment from Rachel Maddow on why we don&#8217;t vote on rights, via Sociological [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Suggestion Saturday: August 7, 2010 &#124; On The Other Hand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suggestion Saturday: August 7, 2010 &#124; On The Other Hand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 13:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Difference Between a Democracy and a Constitutional Democracy. This is a short segment from Rachel Maddow&#8217;s television show explaining the difference between a Democracy and a Constitutional Democracy. A one-sentence summary of the clip: in the latter we aren&#8217;t allowed to vote on other people&#8217;s rights. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Difference Between a Democracy and a Constitutional Democracy. This is a short segment from Rachel Maddow&#8217;s television show explaining the difference between a Democracy and a Constitutional Democracy. A one-sentence summary of the clip: in the latter we aren&#8217;t allowed to vote on other people&#8217;s rights. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 20:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you really a lawyer?!  You should know the difference between a &#039;constitutional/statutory right&#039; and a &#039;natural right.&#039;  The former are social constructs, the latter are something more.

i.e., things that are valued and very important vs. inalienable</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you really a lawyer?!  You should know the difference between a &#8216;constitutional/statutory right&#8217; and a &#8216;natural right.&#8217;  The former are social constructs, the latter are something more.</p>
<p>i.e., things that are valued and very important vs. inalienable</p>
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		<title>By: Rights In America Are Inalienable &#124; The Moderate Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rights In America Are Inalienable &#124; The Moderate Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 00:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] stories they transcend the traditional MSM news cycle. I was poking around Sociological Images and stumbled upon this clip from July 22nd, a historical look at the environment under which President Truman ended armed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone who doesn&#039;t live under a rock is unaware of this argument, as it is constantly dragged out of the vaults of outdated, discredited beliefs in virtually every political effort to undermine LGBT rights.

The problem, of course, is that not only is it untrue (homosexuality is not a choice); it also fails every conceivable test of replication in &quot;moral&quot; scenarios outside of the DADT policy.

Muscat&#039;s example of religion is totally valid here. The military might have some rational basis for excluding people of religious faith on moral grounds. For one thing, most major religions are (on paper, at least) morally opposed to murder, a belief that presents a significant conflict of interest in combat. And yet, we still allow Christians in the military. And even Buddhists. Soldiers whose moral and political views might be in direct opposition to the military&#039;s agenda serve side-by-side those who ideologically support it. 

Sexual orientation, on the other hand, provides no parallel to the moral complexities that the military already accommodates. There is no belief, behavior, or moral persuasion that is fundamentally intrinsic to one&#039;s sexuality. The probihibtion of gays is not a &quot;moral code&quot; any more than segregation was; it is merely a form of institutional discrimination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone who doesn&#8217;t live under a rock is unaware of this argument, as it is constantly dragged out of the vaults of outdated, discredited beliefs in virtually every political effort to undermine LGBT rights.</p>
<p>The problem, of course, is that not only is it untrue (homosexuality is not a choice); it also fails every conceivable test of replication in &#8220;moral&#8221; scenarios outside of the DADT policy.</p>
<p>Muscat&#8217;s example of religion is totally valid here. The military might have some rational basis for excluding people of religious faith on moral grounds. For one thing, most major religions are (on paper, at least) morally opposed to murder, a belief that presents a significant conflict of interest in combat. And yet, we still allow Christians in the military. And even Buddhists. Soldiers whose moral and political views might be in direct opposition to the military&#8217;s agenda serve side-by-side those who ideologically support it. </p>
<p>Sexual orientation, on the other hand, provides no parallel to the moral complexities that the military already accommodates. There is no belief, behavior, or moral persuasion that is fundamentally intrinsic to one&#8217;s sexuality. The probihibtion of gays is not a &#8220;moral code&#8221; any more than segregation was; it is merely a form of institutional discrimination.</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The military is not an alternate reality. It has to follow the same rules as anything else. Still, like I said, being a choice or not doesn&#039;t matters, else the military could segregate by political views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The military is not an alternate reality. It has to follow the same rules as anything else. Still, like I said, being a choice or not doesn&#8217;t matters, else the military could segregate by political views.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have explained further. In the military particularly, the social and moral code is much more strict than everyday life. While color of skin is a definitively inalienable quality, homosexuality is often argued to be a choice. If the military follows these stricter moral codes, some may argue that those that don&#039;t fit into them should not be in the military. I do not agree with this stance, I just think we should be aware of the possible argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have explained further. In the military particularly, the social and moral code is much more strict than everyday life. While color of skin is a definitively inalienable quality, homosexuality is often argued to be a choice. If the military follows these stricter moral codes, some may argue that those that don&#8217;t fit into them should not be in the military. I do not agree with this stance, I just think we should be aware of the possible argument.</p>
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		<title>By: alawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>alawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sad to see you endorsing Maddow&#039;s thesis that constitutional democracy is about not voting on rights.  Most of the American Constitution consists of provisions about the structure and powers of different branches of government that don&#039;t directly bear on the rights of the citizenry.  Conversely, many of our most important rights are protected by statute, not by the Constitution, and could be repealed by majority vote tomorrow.  The right not to be discriminated against in hiring, employment, and compensation on the basis of race or sex is extremely important, but it could be repealed by majority vote tomorrow.  All sorts of rights are up for a vote&#8212;the right to smoke pot for medical reasons, the right to own an automatic weapon, the right to emergency room care even if you&#039;re uninsured, the right to a free public education, or even the right to sue government officials for violating your constitutional rights.

The most profound result of the American constitutional system is that basic &quot;hardwired&quot; structural features of the government are extremely difficult to change.  The majority could not eliminate the Presidential veto or subject statutes to a national referendum or impeach the President for incompetence and maladministration, because the Constitution doesn&#039;t allow for that.  All changes of that sort have to go through the extremely cumbersome Constitutional amendment process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sad to see you endorsing Maddow&#8217;s thesis that constitutional democracy is about not voting on rights.  Most of the American Constitution consists of provisions about the structure and powers of different branches of government that don&#8217;t directly bear on the rights of the citizenry.  Conversely, many of our most important rights are protected by statute, not by the Constitution, and could be repealed by majority vote tomorrow.  The right not to be discriminated against in hiring, employment, and compensation on the basis of race or sex is extremely important, but it could be repealed by majority vote tomorrow.  All sorts of rights are up for a vote&mdash;the right to smoke pot for medical reasons, the right to own an automatic weapon, the right to emergency room care even if you&#8217;re uninsured, the right to a free public education, or even the right to sue government officials for violating your constitutional rights.</p>
<p>The most profound result of the American constitutional system is that basic &#8220;hardwired&#8221; structural features of the government are extremely difficult to change.  The majority could not eliminate the Presidential veto or subject statutes to a national referendum or impeach the President for incompetence and maladministration, because the Constitution doesn&#8217;t allow for that.  All changes of that sort have to go through the extremely cumbersome Constitutional amendment process.</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then we can also vote against people of certain political views having certain rights, because we get to choose outr political views.

So it doesn&#039;t make a difference. Fortunately. And I&#039;m not trying to say anything about it being a choice or not. I&#039;m just saying that it doesn&#039;t matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then we can also vote against people of certain political views having certain rights, because we get to choose outr political views.</p>
<p>So it doesn&#8217;t make a difference. Fortunately. And I&#8217;m not trying to say anything about it being a choice or not. I&#8217;m just saying that it doesn&#8217;t matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Muscat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muscat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, we should get rid of all those religious protections right away.  :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, we should get rid of all those religious protections right away.  :P</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it’s not a choice (and I agree that it isn’t), then the reason why it’s not a choice shouldn’t matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it’s not a choice (and I agree that it isn’t), then the reason why it’s not a choice shouldn’t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s not a choice (and I agree that it isn&#039;t), then reason why it&#039;s not a choice shouldn&#039;t matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s not a choice (and I agree that it isn&#8217;t), then reason why it&#8217;s not a choice shouldn&#8217;t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with Ms. Maddow&#039;s argument is this: it&#039;s obvious that an African American was born that way, it&#039;s not such a cut and dried issue that a homosexual person is born that way. Now, I agree that it is not a matter of choice, but that really makes the difference in arguing rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Ms. Maddow&#8217;s argument is this: it&#8217;s obvious that an African American was born that way, it&#8217;s not such a cut and dried issue that a homosexual person is born that way. Now, I agree that it is not a matter of choice, but that really makes the difference in arguing rights.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet a similar thing will happen.  The president will say, after it&#039;s all done, &quot;Suck it up and make it happen.&quot;  However, the polling and surveys will be very useful for creating training, enculturation programming, and so on.  This is the military after all, there&#039;s nothing &quot;organic&quot; about anything they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet a similar thing will happen.  The president will say, after it&#8217;s all done, &#8220;Suck it up and make it happen.&#8221;  However, the polling and surveys will be very useful for creating training, enculturation programming, and so on.  This is the military after all, there&#8217;s nothing &#8220;organic&#8221; about anything they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Maddow on Constitutional Rights and DADT &#171; Speaker&#039;s Corner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maddow on Constitutional Rights and DADT &#171; Speaker&#039;s Corner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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