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	<title>Comments on: Gas Prices and Number of Miles Driven, 1956-2009</title>
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		<title>By: The Man</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/06/16/gas-prices-and-number-of-miles-driven-1956-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-322398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;got rid of suburbs&quot;: hilarious.  Better yet: get rid of cars - &quot;problem&quot; solved.

What about the emergence of two-income families?  Is it possible that the per capita mileage has gone up because there are two commuters in an average family when in 1962 there wasn&#039;t?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;got rid of suburbs&#8221;: hilarious.  Better yet: get rid of cars &#8211; &#8220;problem&#8221; solved.</p>
<p>What about the emergence of two-income families?  Is it possible that the per capita mileage has gone up because there are two commuters in an average family when in 1962 there wasn&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rebecca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely this is related to unemployment.

Looking at the years where miles-driven dropped:
1974: recession
1979: recession
1991: recession (and cheaper gas)
2001: recession (and cheaper gas)
and currently - the worst recession since the Great Depression.

It will be interesting to see if miles driven rises again once more Americans have jobs to drive to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely this is related to unemployment.</p>
<p>Looking at the years where miles-driven dropped:<br />
1974: recession<br />
1979: recession<br />
1991: recession (and cheaper gas)<br />
2001: recession (and cheaper gas)<br />
and currently &#8211; the worst recession since the Great Depression.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see if miles driven rises again once more Americans have jobs to drive to.</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miriam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So.  We have this highway trust fund (in the US) where gas is taxed and put into constructing highways.  More highways lead to more suburbs, leads to more driving, leads to more money in the highway trust fund, etc.  The very concept of the center of the city being the center of business is dying.  The inner city, all over, is falling apart.  Meanwhile, by building suburbs further and further from jobs and businesses, it becomes more and more necessary to drive longer and longer distances to work, the grocery store, etc. Wooo urban sprawl!

Now, the highway trust fund is also used to repair roads, and small portion of the money now goes into financing public transportation.  So, it is my opinion that somewhat more of the money be allocated to public transit in order to curb the vicious cycle. (and bike lanes, bus lanes, and carpool lanes)  I think this graph demonstrates what is so far the consensus of the other commenters: people need to drive, particularly to work, no matter what the price of gas is. Unfortunately, this systemic problem is presented to us as an individual choice/failing.  This, I&#039;m pretty sure, is counterproductive to actually substantially reducing the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So.  We have this highway trust fund (in the US) where gas is taxed and put into constructing highways.  More highways lead to more suburbs, leads to more driving, leads to more money in the highway trust fund, etc.  The very concept of the center of the city being the center of business is dying.  The inner city, all over, is falling apart.  Meanwhile, by building suburbs further and further from jobs and businesses, it becomes more and more necessary to drive longer and longer distances to work, the grocery store, etc. Wooo urban sprawl!</p>
<p>Now, the highway trust fund is also used to repair roads, and small portion of the money now goes into financing public transportation.  So, it is my opinion that somewhat more of the money be allocated to public transit in order to curb the vicious cycle. (and bike lanes, bus lanes, and carpool lanes)  I think this graph demonstrates what is so far the consensus of the other commenters: people need to drive, particularly to work, no matter what the price of gas is. Unfortunately, this systemic problem is presented to us as an individual choice/failing.  This, I&#8217;m pretty sure, is counterproductive to actually substantially reducing the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Kunoichi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kunoichi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed re: frivolous driving.  There is no attempt made to ask *why* people are driving, but I find it curious that so many assume many of the driving being done *is* frivolous (it&#039;s a topic that comes up for discussion with some groups I&#039;m involved with, with a strong anti-car crowd that argues for government restrictions on car use, since so few people are doing it voluntarily).

Commuting is just part of the picture.  In my own family, I have 4 family members that commute from their farms to nearby cities to work.  Once they&#039;re there, their vehicles are parked for the day. Compare that to a family member that lives in the city, but works on sites all over the place, in and out of the city, so not only does he have his commute, but work related driving - and his work truck is practically a moving garage, saving him from having to drive elsewhere whenever tools, parts, etc. are needed.  Without that, he&#039;d be driving even more, all of it necessary for his job.  

My husband and I have gone from biking as primary transportation, to needing a vehicle for commuting and because we lived in an isolated area, to relying on public transit.  For health reasons, my husband can no longer commute, so we live close enough to his office that he can either walk or bus to work, even though it means living in a fairly high crime area with a high population density (given the choice, we&#039;d be living outside the city on an acreage, but that&#039;s not an option right now).  Yet after several years, we have a vehicle again - not for my husband, but for me, the stay at home mom.  There are many reasons why we decided on getting a vehicle, ranging from the cost of buying monthly bus passes for 4 people(weirdly, our city does not have youth bus passes, so we had to buy adult passes for our kids) to time.  Just as one example, because of how the bus routes are designed, one particular trip I had to make regularly took 3 buses and 1 hour to get there, 1 1/2 hours to get back. Driving, it&#039;s only 10 minutes.  Plus, with our van, I can combine errands into one trip, allowing me to do 3 or 4 errands in the same length of time it used to take me to do one by bus.  Compare the number of miles I drive in my van to accomplish this to the number of miles running the same errands by bus,which had to be spread out over several days due to time contraints, and it&#039;s significantly lower.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed re: frivolous driving.  There is no attempt made to ask *why* people are driving, but I find it curious that so many assume many of the driving being done *is* frivolous (it&#8217;s a topic that comes up for discussion with some groups I&#8217;m involved with, with a strong anti-car crowd that argues for government restrictions on car use, since so few people are doing it voluntarily).</p>
<p>Commuting is just part of the picture.  In my own family, I have 4 family members that commute from their farms to nearby cities to work.  Once they&#8217;re there, their vehicles are parked for the day. Compare that to a family member that lives in the city, but works on sites all over the place, in and out of the city, so not only does he have his commute, but work related driving &#8211; and his work truck is practically a moving garage, saving him from having to drive elsewhere whenever tools, parts, etc. are needed.  Without that, he&#8217;d be driving even more, all of it necessary for his job.  </p>
<p>My husband and I have gone from biking as primary transportation, to needing a vehicle for commuting and because we lived in an isolated area, to relying on public transit.  For health reasons, my husband can no longer commute, so we live close enough to his office that he can either walk or bus to work, even though it means living in a fairly high crime area with a high population density (given the choice, we&#8217;d be living outside the city on an acreage, but that&#8217;s not an option right now).  Yet after several years, we have a vehicle again &#8211; not for my husband, but for me, the stay at home mom.  There are many reasons why we decided on getting a vehicle, ranging from the cost of buying monthly bus passes for 4 people(weirdly, our city does not have youth bus passes, so we had to buy adult passes for our kids) to time.  Just as one example, because of how the bus routes are designed, one particular trip I had to make regularly took 3 buses and 1 hour to get there, 1 1/2 hours to get back. Driving, it&#8217;s only 10 minutes.  Plus, with our van, I can combine errands into one trip, allowing me to do 3 or 4 errands in the same length of time it used to take me to do one by bus.  Compare the number of miles I drive in my van to accomplish this to the number of miles running the same errands by bus,which had to be spread out over several days due to time contraints, and it&#8217;s significantly lower.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given the state of politics today, we will be lucky if buses do not disappear altogether in most cities. As for getting rid of suburbs and building denser neighborhoods, those are great dreams that do not have a chance in hell of coming true. 

I understand and somewhat agree with Frowner&#039;s comment that most people are not able to simply give up their car, any more than we can simply decide to get rid of suburbs. But we make lots of small choices at various points that affect how much gas we use. For example, when buying a vehicle we can look at smaller cars with manual transmissions, rather than large SUV&#039;s or pickups. Obvious, a landscape contractor might need a pickup, but an aide at an assisted living facility probably does not. And you can look at the bus routes for your town, and see if you could drive part of the way to work, park, and take the bus the rest of the way. When one does change residences, one can choose to move into a city rather than into a suburb. 

In other words, we aren&#039;t able to make dramatic changes in our use of oil now, because of the decisions we have made in the past. Which should tell us that as these decision-points come up in the future, we could decide to make the amount of oil we use a factor in what we decide to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the state of politics today, we will be lucky if buses do not disappear altogether in most cities. As for getting rid of suburbs and building denser neighborhoods, those are great dreams that do not have a chance in hell of coming true. </p>
<p>I understand and somewhat agree with Frowner&#8217;s comment that most people are not able to simply give up their car, any more than we can simply decide to get rid of suburbs. But we make lots of small choices at various points that affect how much gas we use. For example, when buying a vehicle we can look at smaller cars with manual transmissions, rather than large SUV&#8217;s or pickups. Obvious, a landscape contractor might need a pickup, but an aide at an assisted living facility probably does not. And you can look at the bus routes for your town, and see if you could drive part of the way to work, park, and take the bus the rest of the way. When one does change residences, one can choose to move into a city rather than into a suburb. </p>
<p>In other words, we aren&#8217;t able to make dramatic changes in our use of oil now, because of the decisions we have made in the past. Which should tell us that as these decision-points come up in the future, we could decide to make the amount of oil we use a factor in what we decide to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Asa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Asa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would only make sense if you compared it to other countries at similar times when they were similarly affected, since the US still has insanely cheap gas compared to many other developed Western nations which drive more distance per capita.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would only make sense if you compared it to other countries at similar times when they were similarly affected, since the US still has insanely cheap gas compared to many other developed Western nations which drive more distance per capita.</p>
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		<title>By: thewhatifgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thewhatifgirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep, that&#039;s what I was going to say.  But you probably said it better. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, that&#8217;s what I was going to say.  But you probably said it better. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article says that people drive fewer miles when unemployment is high, and that they don&#039;t generally drive fewer miles when the price of gas is high.  This makes a lot of sense to me.  For an awful lot of people, commuting to work accounts for most of the miles they drive.  Reducing that commute would require them to find another job, another place to live, or both.  Relatively few people can afford to live in areas where it is feasible to get to work without a car, and even fewer have the power to change suburban infrastructure.  Losing a job means not commuting, and may also reduce driving back and forth to deal with childcare.

When a person who is commuting for work faces an increase in gas prices, he or she might try to earn more money.  (But going in to work on weekends, or taking a second job, means more commuting.)  Or they might try to reduce other household spending, perhaps buying groceries in bulk (cheaper than the neighborhood store, but requiring more driving to buy them.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article says that people drive fewer miles when unemployment is high, and that they don&#8217;t generally drive fewer miles when the price of gas is high.  This makes a lot of sense to me.  For an awful lot of people, commuting to work accounts for most of the miles they drive.  Reducing that commute would require them to find another job, another place to live, or both.  Relatively few people can afford to live in areas where it is feasible to get to work without a car, and even fewer have the power to change suburban infrastructure.  Losing a job means not commuting, and may also reduce driving back and forth to deal with childcare.</p>
<p>When a person who is commuting for work faces an increase in gas prices, he or she might try to earn more money.  (But going in to work on weekends, or taking a second job, means more commuting.)  Or they might try to reduce other household spending, perhaps buying groceries in bulk (cheaper than the neighborhood store, but requiring more driving to buy them.)</p>
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		<title>By: Frowner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frowner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder just how much truly frivolous driving most Americans really do and who does it? (National myth-making to the contrary, most USians are working class, don&#039;t make huge amounts of money, etc)  If I can live in suburb A, where rents or mortgages are cheap, but must work in suburb B because there are no jobs for me in suburb A, I will be trundling across the metro no matter what the economy looks like because I &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t afford to lose my job&lt;/i&gt;.  Because of the decentralization of work and living, it&#039;s not even super-easy to carpool unless I&#039;m lucky enough to have co-workers who also live fairly near me in suburb A. If suburb A is really screwed up, I may have to drive my kids to school or drive a fifteen mile round trip for groceries.  That doesn&#039;t change if the price of gas rises.  What&#039;s more, if my partner works in suburb L, maybe my partner and I can&#039;t even ride to work together; maybe we need two cars!  

We often talk as though it&#039;s an easy choice to give up your car or dramatically reduce your driving--a simple moral decision, something easily done without or replaced by buses and biking.  Let me tell you--I actually &lt;i&gt;gave up&lt;/i&gt; my car, after waiting quite a while to get hired at the university in my town.  I bike to work, I ride the bus a little--and I borrow my housemate&#039;s car once a month for a giant canned goods/toilet paper/laundry detergent run to Target, because even living in a relatively densely settled area, I find it difficult to bring home large and heavy things on the bus.  And for me, giving up my car was the result of luck and a lot of planning!  Certainly other people &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; do as I did, &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; they didn&#039;t have a lot of family responsibilities &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; they were able to live  close to work in a fairly dense metro area.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder just how much truly frivolous driving most Americans really do and who does it? (National myth-making to the contrary, most USians are working class, don&#8217;t make huge amounts of money, etc)  If I can live in suburb A, where rents or mortgages are cheap, but must work in suburb B because there are no jobs for me in suburb A, I will be trundling across the metro no matter what the economy looks like because I <i>can&#8217;t afford to lose my job</i>.  Because of the decentralization of work and living, it&#8217;s not even super-easy to carpool unless I&#8217;m lucky enough to have co-workers who also live fairly near me in suburb A. If suburb A is really screwed up, I may have to drive my kids to school or drive a fifteen mile round trip for groceries.  That doesn&#8217;t change if the price of gas rises.  What&#8217;s more, if my partner works in suburb L, maybe my partner and I can&#8217;t even ride to work together; maybe we need two cars!  </p>
<p>We often talk as though it&#8217;s an easy choice to give up your car or dramatically reduce your driving&#8211;a simple moral decision, something easily done without or replaced by buses and biking.  Let me tell you&#8211;I actually <i>gave up</i> my car, after waiting quite a while to get hired at the university in my town.  I bike to work, I ride the bus a little&#8211;and I borrow my housemate&#8217;s car once a month for a giant canned goods/toilet paper/laundry detergent run to Target, because even living in a relatively densely settled area, I find it difficult to bring home large and heavy things on the bus.  And for me, giving up my car was the result of luck and a lot of planning!  Certainly other people <i>could</i> do as I did, <i>if</i> they didn&#8217;t have a lot of family responsibilities <i>and</i> they were able to live  close to work in a fairly dense metro area.</p>
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		<title>By: Chungyen Chang</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chungyen Chang]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a graph that goes backwards? really now, New York Times?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a graph that goes backwards? really now, New York Times?</p>
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		<title>By: dr runner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dr runner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder how they measured gas prices! @ lysh....it is obviously a conspiracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how they measured gas prices! @ lysh&#8230;.it is obviously a conspiracy.</p>
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		<title>By: lysh</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/06/16/gas-prices-and-number-of-miles-driven-1956-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-318103</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lysh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How was this data gathered?  
How was the &quot;number of miles per year Americans drive&quot; gathered/measured?
Hmmmmm.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How was this data gathered?<br />
How was the &#8220;number of miles per year Americans drive&#8221; gathered/measured?<br />
Hmmmmm&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a cool graph. But I&#039;d like to see one that incorporates the fuel efficiency of the fleet. Assuming rational actors, we&#039;d expect miles driven to correlate with price per *mile*, not price per gallon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a cool graph. But I&#8217;d like to see one that incorporates the fuel efficiency of the fleet. Assuming rational actors, we&#8217;d expect miles driven to correlate with price per *mile*, not price per gallon.</p>
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