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		<title>By: The Problem With Your Information Sources and How To Fix It &#124; Superhuman Pursuits</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Problem With Your Information Sources and How To Fix It &#124; Superhuman Pursuits]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] If you start to pay attention, you&#8217;ll see that much of this information is just rehashed. Throw a new headline on it, put up some fresh photos and spin the content a bit. These mediums are motivated by readership and viewership. That&#8217;s what pays the bills. Even if they value quality information, if there is nothing new to put out there, they still have to hit there deadlines. Don&#8217;t believe it, take a look. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] If you start to pay attention, you&#8217;ll see that much of this information is just rehashed. Throw a new headline on it, put up some fresh photos and spin the content a bit. These mediums are motivated by readership and viewership. That&#8217;s what pays the bills. Even if they value quality information, if there is nothing new to put out there, they still have to hit there deadlines. Don&#8217;t believe it, take a look. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: mens health magazine &#8211; Latest mens health magazine news &#8211; Men&#8217;s Health: Selling the Same Old Story &#187; Sociological Images</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re making two assumptions that I think are unwarranted.

First, you&#039;re assuming that it&#039;s the same readership from year to year.  There&#039;s no problem with repetition if you have a high readership turnover.  Look at the extreme cases - magazines targeting brides or first-time parents.  Would anyone see any problems with them recycling articles every few months?  Of course not, most of the readership would have either moved on or would be focusing on a different set of articles.

Second, you&#039;re assuming that there&#039;s no value in repeating articles as reminders.  Again, look at the extreme cases - the year-end financial planning articles, the late winter tax preparation articles, the articles on how to help your kid apply to college (and financial aid!), etc.  There is a bit of seasonality to fitness, e.g., how to prepare for winter sports (or social expectations at the beach), but a lot of it is just a reminder.  

BTW Runner&#039;s World also has a lot of repetition.  But again there&#039;s a lot of turnover (people starting to run recreationally) and seasonality (many people have an easy winter and run progressively longer races during the warm months).  Why wasn&#039;t it mentioned as an example of reselling the same story?

In all of these cases there&#039;s a lot of new material that just isn&#039;t mentioned on the cover.  Columnists, healthy recipes, interviews, product (or fashion) reviews, etc.

I think a lot of this reaction is because of our own expectation that fitness magazines will be shallow and the readers a bit challenged.  I don&#039;t think either is true, although I will admit that the only fitness magazine I consistently read is the one targetting personal trainer, not the ones you can find in the airport magazine store.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re making two assumptions that I think are unwarranted.</p>
<p>First, you&#8217;re assuming that it&#8217;s the same readership from year to year.  There&#8217;s no problem with repetition if you have a high readership turnover.  Look at the extreme cases &#8211; magazines targeting brides or first-time parents.  Would anyone see any problems with them recycling articles every few months?  Of course not, most of the readership would have either moved on or would be focusing on a different set of articles.</p>
<p>Second, you&#8217;re assuming that there&#8217;s no value in repeating articles as reminders.  Again, look at the extreme cases &#8211; the year-end financial planning articles, the late winter tax preparation articles, the articles on how to help your kid apply to college (and financial aid!), etc.  There is a bit of seasonality to fitness, e.g., how to prepare for winter sports (or social expectations at the beach), but a lot of it is just a reminder.  </p>
<p>BTW Runner&#8217;s World also has a lot of repetition.  But again there&#8217;s a lot of turnover (people starting to run recreationally) and seasonality (many people have an easy winter and run progressively longer races during the warm months).  Why wasn&#8217;t it mentioned as an example of reselling the same story?</p>
<p>In all of these cases there&#8217;s a lot of new material that just isn&#8217;t mentioned on the cover.  Columnists, healthy recipes, interviews, product (or fashion) reviews, etc.</p>
<p>I think a lot of this reaction is because of our own expectation that fitness magazines will be shallow and the readers a bit challenged.  I don&#8217;t think either is true, although I will admit that the only fitness magazine I consistently read is the one targetting personal trainer, not the ones you can find in the airport magazine store.</p>
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		<title>By: Bosola</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bosola]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 19:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Golly.  Is that what passes for analysis around here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golly.  Is that what passes for analysis around here?</p>
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		<title>By: n</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 07:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I used to subscribe to Oxygen fitness magazine for women, then I realized that if you have a complete year&#039;s worth of issues that there&#039;s no need to buy more because they recycle and repackage the content over and over and over and over.
The main stories there are Losing Fat, Working Glutes and Getting Tight Abs]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to subscribe to Oxygen fitness magazine for women, then I realized that if you have a complete year&#8217;s worth of issues that there&#8217;s no need to buy more because they recycle and repackage the content over and over and over and over.<br />
The main stories there are Losing Fat, Working Glutes and Getting Tight Abs</p>
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		<title>By: Ranjit</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ranjit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 10:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The training tips in Mean&#039;s Health and co are deliciously ironic. If they worked, there would be no need for constant repetitions of strange training programs.

Even the magazins title is misleading, branding a six-pack as a health issue and not a fashion issue. Unfortunatly, the six-pack is a phenomenon that requires unhealthily low levels of body fat. In addition, for many humans it is unattainable due to their genetic dispositions.

A product that fulfills a need permanently makes no economic sense. A product that fulfills needs temporarily is far better.
But the best product are those that are believed to fulfill needs that have been fabricated and can in fact not be fulfilled. After all, once you have a flat stomach, you need a six-pack. Once you have a six-pack you need an eight-pack. And if thats achieved, there are all other body parts, skin issues, your hair, your nails, yor breath and so on.

My approach currently is to achieve a body that can easily cope with every day tasks and for the rest I try to build my self-esteem instead of my body.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The training tips in Mean&#8217;s Health and co are deliciously ironic. If they worked, there would be no need for constant repetitions of strange training programs.</p>
<p>Even the magazins title is misleading, branding a six-pack as a health issue and not a fashion issue. Unfortunatly, the six-pack is a phenomenon that requires unhealthily low levels of body fat. In addition, for many humans it is unattainable due to their genetic dispositions.</p>
<p>A product that fulfills a need permanently makes no economic sense. A product that fulfills needs temporarily is far better.<br />
But the best product are those that are believed to fulfill needs that have been fabricated and can in fact not be fulfilled. After all, once you have a flat stomach, you need a six-pack. Once you have a six-pack you need an eight-pack. And if thats achieved, there are all other body parts, skin issues, your hair, your nails, yor breath and so on.</p>
<p>My approach currently is to achieve a body that can easily cope with every day tasks and for the rest I try to build my self-esteem instead of my body.</p>
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		<title>By: Marge</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 10:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was struck by the juxtaposition of &#039;Lose your gut!&#039; in big letters next to the celebrities on the cover. It may be just me, but I read it as an exhortation to the celebs to lose their guts - and given that they&#039;re all straight up and down, it seems to be asking them to go concave.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was struck by the juxtaposition of &#8216;Lose your gut!&#8217; in big letters next to the celebrities on the cover. It may be just me, but I read it as an exhortation to the celebs to lose their guts &#8211; and given that they&#8217;re all straight up and down, it seems to be asking them to go concave.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymousss</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonymousss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 08:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The magazines are selling you slightly modified versions of that story because that story is what advertisers want you to get.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree with the rest of the post, but this is an extremely strong claim about the economics of magazine publication!  Do you have any evidence for it that tends to exclude alternative hypotheses?

Here&#039;s one: men mostly get their ideas about what constitutes an attractive male body from sources other than &quot;health&quot; and &quot;fitness&quot; magazines aimed at men.  &lt;i&gt;Men&#039;s Health&lt;/i&gt; keeps writing the same article and reproducing the same cover design because men have absorbed the thin-and-firm waistline message from &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; sources.  Advertisers choose to advertise in &lt;i&gt;Men&#039;s Health&lt;/i&gt; because they want to target men who are interested in a thinner waistline.

Would &lt;i&gt;Men&#039;s Health&lt;/i&gt; sell as many magazines if they wrote articles about how to lower your cholesterol level and lower the risk of heart attack?  Are there no advertisers who would be interested in promoting the low-cholesterol, no-heart-attack message?

This hypothesis doesn&#039;t deny that magazines like &lt;i&gt;Men&#039;s Health&lt;/i&gt; have an impact on male appearance norms and cultural ideas about what &quot;health&quot; is: by trying to appeal to men&#039;s desire for a thinner waistline, the magazines end up perpetuating the thin-waistline norm.

Of course, it&#039;s entirely possible that &lt;i&gt;Men&#039;s Health&lt;/i&gt; is picking the thin-waistline stories rather than the low-cholesterol stories because that&#039;s what the advertisers want rather than because that&#039;s what sells magazines, but you haven&#039;t provided any evidence for your hypothesis, which strikes me as extremely implausible.  Of course, the hypotheses aren&#039;t mutually exclusive, but you&#039;ve pretty clearly decided that one of them is much more important.  What&#039;s your evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The magazines are selling you slightly modified versions of that story because that story is what advertisers want you to get.</i></p>
<p>I agree with the rest of the post, but this is an extremely strong claim about the economics of magazine publication!  Do you have any evidence for it that tends to exclude alternative hypotheses?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one: men mostly get their ideas about what constitutes an attractive male body from sources other than &#8220;health&#8221; and &#8220;fitness&#8221; magazines aimed at men.  <i>Men&#8217;s Health</i> keeps writing the same article and reproducing the same cover design because men have absorbed the thin-and-firm waistline message from <i>other</i> sources.  Advertisers choose to advertise in <i>Men&#8217;s Health</i> because they want to target men who are interested in a thinner waistline.</p>
<p>Would <i>Men&#8217;s Health</i> sell as many magazines if they wrote articles about how to lower your cholesterol level and lower the risk of heart attack?  Are there no advertisers who would be interested in promoting the low-cholesterol, no-heart-attack message?</p>
<p>This hypothesis doesn&#8217;t deny that magazines like <i>Men&#8217;s Health</i> have an impact on male appearance norms and cultural ideas about what &#8220;health&#8221; is: by trying to appeal to men&#8217;s desire for a thinner waistline, the magazines end up perpetuating the thin-waistline norm.</p>
<p>Of course, it&#8217;s entirely possible that <i>Men&#8217;s Health</i> is picking the thin-waistline stories rather than the low-cholesterol stories because that&#8217;s what the advertisers want rather than because that&#8217;s what sells magazines, but you haven&#8217;t provided any evidence for your hypothesis, which strikes me as extremely implausible.  Of course, the hypotheses aren&#8217;t mutually exclusive, but you&#8217;ve pretty clearly decided that one of them is much more important.  What&#8217;s your evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Simone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 05:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...and they want to hear thousands of tips about how to have sex with women?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and they want to hear thousands of tips about how to have sex with women?</p>
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		<title>By: Bagelsan</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/05/29/mens-health-selling-the-same-old-story/comment-page-1/#comment-305592</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bagelsan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 04:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Men’s Health appeals mostly to bottoms, who in fact very much want to be told how to get six pack abs.&lt;/i&gt;

Apparently these desperate-for-abs &quot;bottoms&quot; also have goldfish memories, to need the same instructions repeated on a monthly basis. :p]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Men’s Health appeals mostly to bottoms, who in fact very much want to be told how to get six pack abs.</i></p>
<p>Apparently these desperate-for-abs &#8220;bottoms&#8221; also have goldfish memories, to need the same instructions repeated on a monthly basis. :p</p>
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		<title>By: Bagelsan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bagelsan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 04:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe it&#039;s just the single phrase &quot;HUGE PENISES&quot; written in 72pt font? :p]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just the single phrase &#8220;HUGE PENISES&#8221; written in 72pt font? :p</p>
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		<title>By: Simone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 22:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And having the phrase &quot;same old story&quot; in the title kind of rules out surprise, now doesn&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And having the phrase &#8220;same old story&#8221; in the title kind of rules out surprise, now doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Simone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 22:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where do you see surprise, shock, or outrage in this post?  Our culture of obsessive bodily &quot;improvement&quot; isn&#039;t portrayed here in a particularly positive light, but don&#039;t see any evidence of the attitudes you referred to in your comment.

Offering a well-reasoned critique of some cultural phenomenon does not indicate shock, outrage, or even offense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do you see surprise, shock, or outrage in this post?  Our culture of obsessive bodily &#8220;improvement&#8221; isn&#8217;t portrayed here in a particularly positive light, but don&#8217;t see any evidence of the attitudes you referred to in your comment.</p>
<p>Offering a well-reasoned critique of some cultural phenomenon does not indicate shock, outrage, or even offense.</p>
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		<title>By: Simone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 22:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, I didn&#039;t know that about the different shapes/numbers...

I do know that some of the strongest, fittest, most kick-ass men I know do *not* have washboard abs...not even close.  The whole 6-pac thing is just as must about vanity as, say, women&#039;s obsession with &quot;perfect&quot; boobs and butts.  It&#039;s not about functionality at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I didn&#8217;t know that about the different shapes/numbers&#8230;</p>
<p>I do know that some of the strongest, fittest, most kick-ass men I know do *not* have washboard abs&#8230;not even close.  The whole 6-pac thing is just as must about vanity as, say, women&#8217;s obsession with &#8220;perfect&#8221; boobs and butts.  It&#8217;s not about functionality at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Simone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 22:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True, true.  But something tells me that most of the suggestions are probably hilariously awful...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, true.  But something tells me that most of the suggestions are probably hilariously awful&#8230;</p>
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