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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flawed argument.
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		<title>By: Lunad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lunad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your fallacy is in assuming that the majority of American Jews came after the holocaust, rather than in the wave of immigration of the early 20th Century.  Moreover, following that logic, today, Latinos with more money are better able to get across the borders by hiring help.  Clearly, Latinos should be the wealthiest ethnic group in the country within a generation, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your fallacy is in assuming that the majority of American Jews came after the holocaust, rather than in the wave of immigration of the early 20th Century.  Moreover, following that logic, today, Latinos with more money are better able to get across the borders by hiring help.  Clearly, Latinos should be the wealthiest ethnic group in the country within a generation, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I know this is an old post, but I was surprised to read the comments speculating about why Jews make more money - ideas like &quot;their religion doesn&#039;t impose financial burdens,&quot; &quot;they live in urban centers,&quot; or &quot;they value education&quot; seem to me to be way off the mark.  Jewish affluence is a direct product of the Holocaust, in which a third of world Jewry was eradicated.  Jewish people with greater social capital were more easily able to escape persecution.  This &quot;advantage&quot; persists through the same mechanisms of intergenerational wealth that keep many aspects of white privilege in place.  (While the stereotype of Jews as money-hoarding is of course despicable, there&#039;s nothing anti-Semitic in recognizing cultural and historical facts that produce real group differences.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I know this is an old post, but I was surprised to read the comments speculating about why Jews make more money &#8211; ideas like &#8220;their religion doesn&#8217;t impose financial burdens,&#8221; &#8220;they live in urban centers,&#8221; or &#8220;they value education&#8221; seem to me to be way off the mark.  Jewish affluence is a direct product of the Holocaust, in which a third of world Jewry was eradicated.  Jewish people with greater social capital were more easily able to escape persecution.  This &#8220;advantage&#8221; persists through the same mechanisms of intergenerational wealth that keep many aspects of white privilege in place.  (While the stereotype of Jews as money-hoarding is of course despicable, there&#8217;s nothing anti-Semitic in recognizing cultural and historical facts that produce real group differences.)</p>
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		<title>By: b</title>
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		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 04:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;i dont know much about jehovah’s witnesses at all, but i do know they believe christ is their savior. therefore, they are christians.&lt;/i&gt;

Someone more knowledgeable about JW is free to correct me here, but as far as I know, they believe that only a certain number of people will be truly &quot;saved&quot; and admitted to heaven after Armageddon. All other JW believers will live in some kind of paradise on earth. This definitely deviates from the standard central Christian doctrine that anyone who accepts Christ as their savior is saved and will be admitted to heaven, so I can see how some Christian denominations would not consider them to be Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>i dont know much about jehovah’s witnesses at all, but i do know they believe christ is their savior. therefore, they are christians.</i></p>
<p>Someone more knowledgeable about JW is free to correct me here, but as far as I know, they believe that only a certain number of people will be truly &#8220;saved&#8221; and admitted to heaven after Armageddon. All other JW believers will live in some kind of paradise on earth. This definitely deviates from the standard central Christian doctrine that anyone who accepts Christ as their savior is saved and will be admitted to heaven, so I can see how some Christian denominations would not consider them to be Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: Kookaburra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kookaburra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 06:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note the absence of capitalization on &quot;catholic&quot;. It&#039;s an adjective.

Many, many churches, Protestant, Orthodox, and other denominations, affirm the Nicene Creed.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
cath·o·lic
   /ˈkæθəlɪk, ˈkæθlɪk/ Show Spelled[kath-uh-lik, kath-lik] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
broad or wide-ranging in tastes, interests, or the like; having sympathies with all; broad-minded; liberal.
2.
universal in extent; involving all; of interest to all.
3.
pertaining to the whole Christian body or church.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have no horse in the &quot;my church is more Christiany than thine&quot; race. I&#039;m atheist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note the absence of capitalization on &#8220;catholic&#8221;. It&#8217;s an adjective.</p>
<p>Many, many churches, Protestant, Orthodox, and other denominations, affirm the Nicene Creed.</p>
<blockquote><p>
cath·o·lic<br />
   /ˈkæθəlɪk, ˈkæθlɪk/ Show Spelled[kath-uh-lik, kath-lik] Show IPA<br />
–adjective<br />
1.<br />
broad or wide-ranging in tastes, interests, or the like; having sympathies with all; broad-minded; liberal.<br />
2.<br />
universal in extent; involving all; of interest to all.<br />
3.<br />
pertaining to the whole Christian body or church.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have no horse in the &#8220;my church is more Christiany than thine&#8221; race. I&#8217;m atheist.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 06:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is your problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is your problem?</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 06:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....what is then?
im pretty sure thats a damn good description of christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.what is then?<br />
im pretty sure thats a damn good description of christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 06:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im trying to reply to kookaburra&#039;s comment, but there&#039;s no reply button on that post.
it says: &lt;i&gt;&quot;I would go with “groups that affirm the Nicene Creed” for a more solid definition of Christian.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
 
ok sooo....
&quot;We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church&quot;
only catholics then??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im trying to reply to kookaburra&#8217;s comment, but there&#8217;s no reply button on that post.<br />
it says: <i>&#8220;I would go with “groups that affirm the Nicene Creed” for a more solid definition of Christian.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>ok sooo&#8230;.<br />
&#8220;We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church&#8221;<br />
only catholics then??</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 05:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where the hell did this crazy idea that mormons and jehovah&#039;s witnesses are not christians come from???
what else would they be?
i grew up in the mormon church, and trust me, they are christians. they&#039;re really not all that different from &quot;regular&quot; christians.  i&#039;ve just observed that they follow their rules more closely.  and they&#039;ve obviously added on a lot more rules.
i dont know much about jehovah&#039;s witnesses at all, but i do know they believe christ is their savior.  therefore, they are christians.  i really do think christian just means &quot;worshiper of christ&quot;  i dont know what else &quot;christian&quot; could mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where the hell did this crazy idea that mormons and jehovah&#8217;s witnesses are not christians come from???<br />
what else would they be?<br />
i grew up in the mormon church, and trust me, they are christians. they&#8217;re really not all that different from &#8220;regular&#8221; christians.  i&#8217;ve just observed that they follow their rules more closely.  and they&#8217;ve obviously added on a lot more rules.<br />
i dont know much about jehovah&#8217;s witnesses at all, but i do know they believe christ is their savior.  therefore, they are christians.  i really do think christian just means &#8220;worshiper of christ&#8221;  i dont know what else &#8220;christian&#8221; could mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Schuyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schuyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 00:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Marx was correct in pointing this out. I&#039;m not sure that we can condemn any religion in particular for not being fair economically. I believe that all religions should be criticized, and that we should start building a truly strong modern foundation for coping with the unexplained. While no organized religion works for me, I am very spiritual, and I do think that spirituality and eastern mysticism should be worked into this foundation.  Sam Harris writes some pretty cool stuff on the subject of religion, though I don&#039;t think all of his theories are correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Marx was correct in pointing this out. I&#8217;m not sure that we can condemn any religion in particular for not being fair economically. I believe that all religions should be criticized, and that we should start building a truly strong modern foundation for coping with the unexplained. While no organized religion works for me, I am very spiritual, and I do think that spirituality and eastern mysticism should be worked into this foundation.  Sam Harris writes some pretty cool stuff on the subject of religion, though I don&#8217;t think all of his theories are correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Ketchup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ketchup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 23:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KarenS: &quot;Where do they categorize non-believers, if they included them at all? I’m an atheist, and I hate disappearing behind labels like “other” and “unaffiliated”. I don’t belong to an “other” religion, I belong to no religion at all.&quot;

On the question if atheism is another religion, it&#039;s not atheism itself, but the particular ideology that the atheist holds that is another religion, e.g. liberalism.

What social functions does *any* religion have? 

Religions establish a few fundamental tenets for a group: a) what reality is and is not, b) what is right and wrong c) rules/laws based on values, to guide social relations/behavior d) it defines what is important and what is not, including selecting which people (issues/views) will be heard and which will be ignored.

Notice that liberalism does all of the above. It has its definition of what reality is (i.e., &quot;social construction of reality&quot;), it stipulates what is right and wrong (the morality of liberalism), and it defines its rules/laws to guide/control social relations and behaviors.

Perhaps the very different characteristic of current liberalism is that most liberals hate to see it as a &quot;religion&quot; even though it is very much a religion from a sociological and anthropological perspective. 

As noted by other commenters, atheists can be extremely fanatical about their particular ideology, as well as overall stupid and ignorant. The fact that they do not believe in a deity is no guarantee that they won&#039;t fall into a myriad of other destructive and ignorant systems of values and behaviors.

In this respect, Americans love to delude themselves in believing they have separated their government from religion, when, in reality, what they have done is to separate the state from the management of organized religious institutions. It is impossible to construct a state separate from an ideology (whether it involves believing in a deity or not) and the US is not exception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KarenS: &#8220;Where do they categorize non-believers, if they included them at all? I’m an atheist, and I hate disappearing behind labels like “other” and “unaffiliated”. I don’t belong to an “other” religion, I belong to no religion at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>On the question if atheism is another religion, it&#8217;s not atheism itself, but the particular ideology that the atheist holds that is another religion, e.g. liberalism.</p>
<p>What social functions does *any* religion have? </p>
<p>Religions establish a few fundamental tenets for a group: a) what reality is and is not, b) what is right and wrong c) rules/laws based on values, to guide social relations/behavior d) it defines what is important and what is not, including selecting which people (issues/views) will be heard and which will be ignored.</p>
<p>Notice that liberalism does all of the above. It has its definition of what reality is (i.e., &#8220;social construction of reality&#8221;), it stipulates what is right and wrong (the morality of liberalism), and it defines its rules/laws to guide/control social relations and behaviors.</p>
<p>Perhaps the very different characteristic of current liberalism is that most liberals hate to see it as a &#8220;religion&#8221; even though it is very much a religion from a sociological and anthropological perspective. </p>
<p>As noted by other commenters, atheists can be extremely fanatical about their particular ideology, as well as overall stupid and ignorant. The fact that they do not believe in a deity is no guarantee that they won&#8217;t fall into a myriad of other destructive and ignorant systems of values and behaviors.</p>
<p>In this respect, Americans love to delude themselves in believing they have separated their government from religion, when, in reality, what they have done is to separate the state from the management of organized religious institutions. It is impossible to construct a state separate from an ideology (whether it involves believing in a deity or not) and the US is not exception.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 23:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If instead of purple being &quot;faith&quot; it was &quot;epistemological framework&quot; we&#039;d all have one, although some of us spend more time thinking about, questioning or seeking merely to reaffirm our framework than others.  So the size of that slice of the pie that wouldn&#039;t probably break down along any afiliational lines that neatly, but would be interesting to see, if it could be quantified.  I suspect that, at least in a US or other religion-dominated social context, atheists&#039; pie slice would, on average, be larger than many other groups&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If instead of purple being &#8220;faith&#8221; it was &#8220;epistemological framework&#8221; we&#8217;d all have one, although some of us spend more time thinking about, questioning or seeking merely to reaffirm our framework than others.  So the size of that slice of the pie that wouldn&#8217;t probably break down along any afiliational lines that neatly, but would be interesting to see, if it could be quantified.  I suspect that, at least in a US or other religion-dominated social context, atheists&#8217; pie slice would, on average, be larger than many other groups&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 23:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sister is a Jehovah&#039;s Witness convert; she joined directly as a result of the outreach by the church while she was living in Council housing, having been homeless, and at a time in her life when she was periodically being treated in hospital for serious mental illness and often was very loathe to leave her flat due to paranoia and depression.  (This was in England.)

My sense was that she became a JW partly because they made &quot;house calls&quot;--and offered clear explanations for her depression (it&#039;s logical in a fallen world that you&#039;d feel depressed) and a clear structure of faith and discipline that somehow worked for her.  

I don&#039;t think all Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses are in my sister&#039;s situation, by any means--clearly most of them are not.  But they were eager to continually reach out to her when she was in a place and a frame of mind where many individuals and organizations could not or would not reach out in the first place, and especially then continue to reach out to her even when she woud reject them at times.  (Her social worker would continue to come but often my sister would not let her in; she trusted the Witnesses.) And they offered a great deal of support to someone who really needed a lot of support.  

So, in addition to all of the other explanations offered above, I also suspect that some part of the reason for the higher rates of poverty amongst JWs is also their continual outreach to people in poverty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sister is a Jehovah&#8217;s Witness convert; she joined directly as a result of the outreach by the church while she was living in Council housing, having been homeless, and at a time in her life when she was periodically being treated in hospital for serious mental illness and often was very loathe to leave her flat due to paranoia and depression.  (This was in England.)</p>
<p>My sense was that she became a JW partly because they made &#8220;house calls&#8221;&#8211;and offered clear explanations for her depression (it&#8217;s logical in a fallen world that you&#8217;d feel depressed) and a clear structure of faith and discipline that somehow worked for her.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think all Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses are in my sister&#8217;s situation, by any means&#8211;clearly most of them are not.  But they were eager to continually reach out to her when she was in a place and a frame of mind where many individuals and organizations could not or would not reach out in the first place, and especially then continue to reach out to her even when she woud reject them at times.  (Her social worker would continue to come but often my sister would not let her in; she trusted the Witnesses.) And they offered a great deal of support to someone who really needed a lot of support.  </p>
<p>So, in addition to all of the other explanations offered above, I also suspect that some part of the reason for the higher rates of poverty amongst JWs is also their continual outreach to people in poverty.</p>
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		<title>By: Simone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 22:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very clever.  At various points in my life, the absent (not missing) piece of my pie has been religion, sexuality, hobbies, and various other things.  I too will be using this analogy in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very clever.  At various points in my life, the absent (not missing) piece of my pie has been religion, sexuality, hobbies, and various other things.  I too will be using this analogy in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Simone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 22:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, some of the wealthier religious groups (Judaism especially) has a history of valuing education, so that could be part of what&#039;s behind their comparative prosperity.</description>
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