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		<title>By: Jeff Kaufman</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/02/23/gender-change-and-starting-salaries-of-college-graduates/comment-page-1/#comment-403605</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please don&#039;t feed the troll</description>
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		<title>By: ML</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/02/23/gender-change-and-starting-salaries-of-college-graduates/comment-page-1/#comment-403567</link>
		<dc:creator>ML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Men dominate intellectual work because they are smarter; check SAT scores -- they&#039;ve come out on top in all three subjects since year one. 

Suck it up, girls and girly-men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men dominate intellectual work because they are smarter; check SAT scores &#8212; they&#8217;ve come out on top in all three subjects since year one. </p>
<p>Suck it up, girls and girly-men.</p>
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		<title>By: Increase Your Bottom Line: Hire Women - BLACK ENTERPRISE</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/02/23/gender-change-and-starting-salaries-of-college-graduates/comment-page-1/#comment-272420</link>
		<dc:creator>Increase Your Bottom Line: Hire Women - BLACK ENTERPRISE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 21:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 20 Leading Occupations of Employed Women  Gender, Change, and Starting Salaries of College Graduates Women of Power [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Best Jobs in America &#187; Sociological Images</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/02/23/gender-change-and-starting-salaries-of-college-graduates/comment-page-1/#comment-240177</link>
		<dc:creator>The Best Jobs in America &#187; Sociological Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posts: sex  and starting salaries of college grads, joblessness by race/age/sex/education, more on joblessness, race, and education, men in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] posts: sex  and starting salaries of college grads, joblessness by race/age/sex/education, more on joblessness, race, and education, men in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/02/23/gender-change-and-starting-salaries-of-college-graduates/comment-page-1/#comment-232664</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 02:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, there are more women in those fields.

http://www.natcom.org/index.asp?bid=352</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, there are more women in those fields.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.natcom.org/index.asp?bid=352" rel="nofollow">http://www.natcom.org/index.asp?bid=352</a></p>
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		<title>By: chocolatepie</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/02/23/gender-change-and-starting-salaries-of-college-graduates/comment-page-1/#comment-231430</link>
		<dc:creator>chocolatepie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was the data from starting salaries at ANY job, or only jobs that had something to do with the major? So, if a Political Science major got a job as a secretary, is that still counted in the &quot;Political Science&quot; data?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was the data from starting salaries at ANY job, or only jobs that had something to do with the major? So, if a Political Science major got a job as a secretary, is that still counted in the &#8220;Political Science&#8221; data?</p>
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		<title>By: On Being A Pretty Pretty Princess &#171; Bitches Get Stuff Done</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/02/23/gender-change-and-starting-salaries-of-college-graduates/comment-page-1/#comment-229146</link>
		<dc:creator>On Being A Pretty Pretty Princess &#171; Bitches Get Stuff Done</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interesting post from last week at Sociological Images, where they observed the difference between starting salaries of college graduates based on gender), and she does a great job of demonstrating what makes us buy into these ideas. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] interesting post from last week at Sociological Images, where they observed the difference between starting salaries of college graduates based on gender), and she does a great job of demonstrating what makes us buy into these ideas. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steff</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/02/23/gender-change-and-starting-salaries-of-college-graduates/comment-page-1/#comment-228751</link>
		<dc:creator>Steff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that women in the engineering branches tend to be paid more than men. I wonder why that is, especially since men tend to dominate the engineering fields.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that women in the engineering branches tend to be paid more than men. I wonder why that is, especially since men tend to dominate the engineering fields.</p>
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		<title>By: Ketchup</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/02/23/gender-change-and-starting-salaries-of-college-graduates/comment-page-1/#comment-225703</link>
		<dc:creator>Ketchup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a tangent, there is one benefit to having ignorant reporters writing up  headline-grabber articles from flaky scientific research. We get to hear things like drinking coffee is actually very beneficial to you (instead of the contrary) and that taking a one-hour after lunch nap improves your thinking. 

Thank god for pseudo-science, alas, we can finally  go through life feeling a little less guilty about wonderful things like coffee and naps. I&#039;m a fan of both--especially naps! (After-lunch naps should be written into law as a basic human right for employment law.)

And I&#039;m still waiting to read that, thanks to a $10 million public funded study,  drinking 8 glasses of water per day has been finally proven to effectively diminish thirst during the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a tangent, there is one benefit to having ignorant reporters writing up  headline-grabber articles from flaky scientific research. We get to hear things like drinking coffee is actually very beneficial to you (instead of the contrary) and that taking a one-hour after lunch nap improves your thinking. </p>
<p>Thank god for pseudo-science, alas, we can finally  go through life feeling a little less guilty about wonderful things like coffee and naps. I&#8217;m a fan of both&#8211;especially naps! (After-lunch naps should be written into law as a basic human right for employment law.)</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m still waiting to read that, thanks to a $10 million public funded study,  drinking 8 glasses of water per day has been finally proven to effectively diminish thirst during the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Ketchup</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/02/23/gender-change-and-starting-salaries-of-college-graduates/comment-page-1/#comment-225696</link>
		<dc:creator>Ketchup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was this done as propaganda for some group or is someone really that ignorant of how to use numbers?
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I don&#039;t know about the first one, but bull&#039;s eye for the second question. Not only are lots of people that ignorant about using numbers, the biggest tragedy comes from how many people are so ignorant about reading data presentation, without asking about how the data was either gathered or manipulated, or how the study outcome claims could be manipulated even if the data wasn&#039;t. My impression from the comments on this blog is that less than 5% of the commenters can ask any such questions. The rest just reads and repeats everything like parrots. 

And if you think this is bad, wait until they post something about homosexuality, then it&#039;s loony science fest as &quot;Facts.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was this done as propaganda for some group or is someone really that ignorant of how to use numbers?<br />
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I don&#8217;t know about the first one, but bull&#8217;s eye for the second question. Not only are lots of people that ignorant about using numbers, the biggest tragedy comes from how many people are so ignorant about reading data presentation, without asking about how the data was either gathered or manipulated, or how the study outcome claims could be manipulated even if the data wasn&#8217;t. My impression from the comments on this blog is that less than 5% of the commenters can ask any such questions. The rest just reads and repeats everything like parrots. </p>
<p>And if you think this is bad, wait until they post something about homosexuality, then it&#8217;s loony science fest as &#8220;Facts.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: edna</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/02/23/gender-change-and-starting-salaries-of-college-graduates/comment-page-1/#comment-225653</link>
		<dc:creator>edna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So concise. You made me laugh out loud!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So concise. You made me laugh out loud!</p>
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		<title>By: Bagelsan</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/02/23/gender-change-and-starting-salaries-of-college-graduates/comment-page-1/#comment-225544</link>
		<dc:creator>Bagelsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Posting studies like this gives ammunition to bigots.&lt;/i&gt;

...clearly. :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Posting studies like this gives ammunition to bigots.</i></p>
<p>&#8230;clearly. :p</p>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/02/23/gender-change-and-starting-salaries-of-college-graduates/comment-page-1/#comment-225484</link>
		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fixed for real!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fixed for real!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/02/23/gender-change-and-starting-salaries-of-college-graduates/comment-page-1/#comment-225408</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, sorry again.  I was directed here by a link from another site referencing this study as a reason for enacting even more discrimatory policies against men and boys. Posting studies like this gives ammunition to bigots.  The study as presented here says nothing statistically relevant; it simply has headline appeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, sorry again.  I was directed here by a link from another site referencing this study as a reason for enacting even more discrimatory policies against men and boys. Posting studies like this gives ammunition to bigots.  The study as presented here says nothing statistically relevant; it simply has headline appeal.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/02/23/gender-change-and-starting-salaries-of-college-graduates/comment-page-1/#comment-225383</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone pointed out that my sample size in the meteor hitting a house example was too small to be meaningful.  But actual studies show that meteor fatalies really are 75% women and children, over time and in all countries. 
(someone please explain this to all the English majors and female engineering students)

When NOW learned of these studies showing meteors were targeting women and childern they demanded stiffer penalies for meteors.  The VAWA act now includes meteors as perpetrators of violence against women.  Police have mandatory meteor arrest policies and prosecutors have &#039;no drop&#039; rules for meteors.  Yet still the sexist meteors continue to pick on the most helpless victims in our society.  Will no one stop this senseless violence?

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) today called for support for his jobs bill, saying everyone knows that meteors who are out of work tend to become violent.  

MRAs (meteor rights activists) challenged Reid, saying he was blaming all meteors for the actions of only a few, and that most meteors have never harmed a women or child in their lives. 

Please help us stop the Meteor War Against Women...send your cash donation today to your local NOW chapter, credit cards accepted.)  

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That&#039;s why pseudoscience studies like this one are evil, they get used by ignorant people to push for stupid public policies which hurt everyone. 
 
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Regarding the salary study, maybe the author should ask an economist for ANY possible (supply/demand) reason why salaries in &quot;men&#039;s&quot; jobs are increasing more that &quot;women&#039;s&quot; and what that REALLY means.  (yes, i am aware he is an economist)  

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sorry to be snarky, this coming on top of Reid&#039;s comments is too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone pointed out that my sample size in the meteor hitting a house example was too small to be meaningful.  But actual studies show that meteor fatalies really are 75% women and children, over time and in all countries.<br />
(someone please explain this to all the English majors and female engineering students)</p>
<p>When NOW learned of these studies showing meteors were targeting women and childern they demanded stiffer penalies for meteors.  The VAWA act now includes meteors as perpetrators of violence against women.  Police have mandatory meteor arrest policies and prosecutors have &#8216;no drop&#8217; rules for meteors.  Yet still the sexist meteors continue to pick on the most helpless victims in our society.  Will no one stop this senseless violence?</p>
<p>Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) today called for support for his jobs bill, saying everyone knows that meteors who are out of work tend to become violent.  </p>
<p>MRAs (meteor rights activists) challenged Reid, saying he was blaming all meteors for the actions of only a few, and that most meteors have never harmed a women or child in their lives. </p>
<p>Please help us stop the Meteor War Against Women&#8230;send your cash donation today to your local NOW chapter, credit cards accepted.)  </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why pseudoscience studies like this one are evil, they get used by ignorant people to push for stupid public policies which hurt everyone. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Regarding the salary study, maybe the author should ask an economist for ANY possible (supply/demand) reason why salaries in &#8220;men&#8217;s&#8221; jobs are increasing more that &#8220;women&#8217;s&#8221; and what that REALLY means.  (yes, i am aware he is an economist)  </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>sorry to be snarky, this coming on top of Reid&#8217;s comments is too much.</p>
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