You’re right, a smart business person would seek to get the money instead of alienating women.

I’m a female gamer and while I don’t always mind scantily clad women, I don’t always have to see it. Where’s the originality? Do I really need to constantly see boobs jiggling? (Dead or Alive, anyone?) I think they just need a larger variety of female characters.

I really don’t know where I stand with what I like, though. I was born in the 90s and I played all the fighting games that came out, but I play casual games and “girly” games too. I don’t believe any one of those games is for a specific audience, though. Meaning, just because I’m a girl I don’t feel inclined to buy only the “girl” games.

Some women have very negative attitudes about gaming. Many of which you can see reflected here in this thread. So I dont think it is sexist to suggest that some men get their female significant others to play games to get the nagging to stop. I think thats just a fact, unflattering though it may be.

Dont go pointing out that women are shallow and looks oriented in this kind of a forum. That kind of talk will get you nowhere.

As a female though, I agree. I find it highly hypocritical that some women claim to be so highly victimized by the images of women as sex objects when so many of them quite willingly buy into the whole thing when it is fashion, or something they like and choose to participate in.

And you are right, many women are just as shallow and superficial and looks oriented as the males they criticize, only less honest about it. That little blast of loathing towards the “unwashed male nerd” that you just heard was as close to honest as you are going to get.

What I wonder is, are the unwashed male nerds misogynists before they figure out that no matter how intelligent and nice they might be they will never get laid? Or do they become misogynists after they realize that all the talk about wanting a “nice guy who will treat them well” is basically bullshit and they will never be appealing to females no matter what they do?

Amen to that. I am enormously grateful that the whole movement happened so that I have the right to do and be what I want to do or be. But on the other hand, I resent the women who are as you say, female chauvanists, who feel it perfectly acceptable to expect that the whole world and all its people should be what they want them to be and act how they want them to act.

They degrade and belittle men for being…….well, men. Not every guy is sensitive. There is no need for them all to watch “Fried Green Tomatoes” and shed a tear. Some of them are going to fixate on boobs. So be it. Just like some of the “femmy women” someone here defended are going to be mind numbingly superficial and airheaded and value fingernails and spray tans over Plato and Nietzsche.

I like Pixys point, and that is that some women will not ever like certain games. It simply isnt their cup of tea. There is no need to change all gaming to suit those women. I also agree that I would like the option of playing female toons that looked more reasonable, more athletic, and had the option of wearing clothing more reasonable for war. That would be nice, if game developers allowed more options in customizing your toon. But I would rather play a male toon or a bimboized female toon than have the game totally revamped to suit the women who do the most complaining about the games. They just dont like the games. Dont ruin something a lot of people do enjoy for a few vocal people who arent your target market anyway.

Maybe, just maybe, the reason men feel the need to try and “trick and coerce” women into liking video games is because unlike fishing or camping or hot rodding, (which are dont away from home) gaming is usually done IN the home. And so, if the wife or girlfriend does not enjoy, approve or, or value, said games, she nags and whines and makes the male gamers life miserable while he is playing. Thats the reason many men I know try to get their female person interested in gaming. So that they can play their game without constant interruption and nagging. Maybe it is less that they are “retreats for masculinity” than they are “things many men like to do that many women dont that must unfortunately be done in a location where the disapproving woman can make your life a living hell for doing something you like and she doesnt.”

Because lets not overlook the very real truth that women while not physically inclined to violence by and large, tend to be very adept at using verbal and emotional “persuasion” to bring others in line with their wants, likes and preferences.

And lots of women game, and could care less about the sexualization of women in the game. It would be nice if we had more choices in how our female toons looked, I personally dont like to play the bimbo toons, but you can play men, or orcs, no one forces you to play a female. If you like the game, the mechanics of it, you dont focus on the female toons very much at all. The people who are hyper focused on the female images probably would not like the game whether or not the female toons had big breasts or were clothed differently. I think the whole debate revolves around something that is a “female” issue, women seem to care waaaay too much about how women look/dress/act. They care too much when they talk about games, and movies, and porn, and they care too much in their magazines, and their books, and they own self assessments. You cant pin all of that on men. Women have some responsibility there as well.

Its not about macho, or penises, its about interests. More males may be interested in that than females, but there are certainly some women who like it. Some men enjoy the games that appeal to more women too. Why not do away with the female sexism and just acknowledge that individuals dont all like the same things. We dont all have the same intellectual interests, or skills, or whatever, and there is no need for ALL women to like ALL games. (Or vice versa)

And not all women who “play with the boys” do so to be sexy or get boyfriends. Nor are we conversely gay or unattractive and “just one of the boys.” Some of us “play with the boys” because we like the things they tend to like in general more than we like the things women tend to like in general. We follow our individual interests, not the herd of other people with the same genitalia. Which is what I thought “equal opportunity” was all about, rather than about some women or men imposing their interests and likes upon the whole rest of humanity.

Its about interests. The things that interest males and females fall all along a spectrum, and males cluster more on one end and women more on the other, but there are individuals that fall at any given point along the way. I am female gamer and I have been for almost as long as the term “gamer” has applied to video games. I would not play the Sims if you paid me to, yet some women love it. I dont like the shows they tend to like, the magazines they tend to like, the books they tend to like, etc. I like the male oriented games because I think more “male” even though I am a heterosexual female. We need to quit pretending that there is this firm line between male and female attitudes, and accept that there simply isnt.

And in regard to the first video about females and casual gaming, there will very likely always be a smaller number of “hardcore” gamers that are female. That is because women tend to have children at some point in time, and there arent as many men out there who will shoulder all the responsibility for the child at home as there are women who will do this. Men can be hardcore gamers in adulthood because the women in their lives will pick up the slack for them while they run 4 hour raids or spend 12 hours on Saturday leveling a toon.

Women avoid games that are set up in such a way that the only way to succeed is to spend marathons online or on the game. They cant. They have to cook, feed the pets and children, shop, etc., and there just arent a lot of men out there who will be WoW widows, and do all the chores while wifey sits on her butt playing all day. Thats the sexism that keeps women from playing certain games. Thats why women gravitate towards casual games, that they can drop in a second if they have to to go save Junior from the toilet without killing their whole raid group.

Just my two cents.

I’m a software engineer, and in my freshman class there were 23 boys and 1 girl; in my graduating class there were…..9 boys and 1 girl. In the classes I shared with Computer Science majors, there were 2 girls, one of whom was from my engineering class. In short, my college experience was a goddamned sausage-party.

So whose fault is it if the gaming industry is dominated by men who make games that men want to buy? Is it men’s fault for not *proactively* being considerate and deferential enough to women? Or is it women’s fault for not following the age-old rule “if you want something done right, do it yourself”? In fairness, the blame for that neglect falls on both parties, but *mostly* on the party who has avoided participating in the first place.

I hate to say it, because I was raised by a strong feminist mother and whatever sexism I have was learned from experience, but most women I know get their kicks playing dress-up and flirting with men. That’s their game and they like playing it, which is fine. Those few who’d rather play games on a TV instead, go to school and learn how to make the games you want to play.

I also think that a bunch of the time his arguments, while stating that there were constructed opinions of how females interact with video games, did not exactly say that they were wrong. He did a bunch of those animated side looks — to avoid taking direct responsibility and making it into a joke.

I think people can lose a lot of their argument just based on how they present it. The video should have been thought out more.

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He hates the Aborigines and writes about his hate today on his blog. He is inciting violence against them with his speech.

He admits he is a liar, and a drug dealer, as he admits selling drugs on his blog,
he admits raping women on his blog, he admits stealing from others on his blog.
but what is worse is his constant stream of hate towards blacks and women.

He published his address on his own site,
P.O. Box, Elsternwick, Vic, Australia 3185

He is associated with Spatula Publishing Conglomerate that is putting up a business in Broadmeadows, in Vic.