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	<title>Comments on: Environmentalism Using Obesity Metaphors</title>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/01/13/guest-post-environmentalism-using-obesity-metaphors/comment-page-1/#comment-203625</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that it&#039;s probably a good (ie. effective) way of expressing over-consumption to a western audience. Even if the correlation people are making between obesity and overconsumption is untrue, unfortunate, and/or perpetuating a stereotype, it still makes the point quite well.

Most of the people who this advert is aimed at would probably rather get a cold than be obese... So it&#039;s probably a more powerful message to them anyway. And the fact that it is liked might even lead to more discussion!

Plus the &#039;sick earth&#039; has been slightly overused, I feel.

To be honest, I wasn&#039;t aware that there was any evidence suggesting that obesity isn&#039;t linked to health or to over consumption! So I admit I&#039;m not very well read on the subject and I&#039;m probably influenced by the 12938192083 images a day I probably see inferring that they are linked. Perhaps I would be a little more adverse to this otherwise.

But also, I feel I should say, that the earth in the cartoon doesn&#039;t look like he&#039;s starving himself, he looks like he might have been putting on muscles if anything since he&#039;s flexing them! And he&#039;s not weighing himself, which was how I thought obesity was defined anyway (could be wrong there!). 

It&#039;s not being inferred that the earth should go on a diet, really, more like he needs a detox and he&#039;s hitting the gym! If obesity&#039;s not connected to over consumption or lack of health, then surely there&#039;s no reason they can&#039;t hit the gym too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it&#8217;s probably a good (ie. effective) way of expressing over-consumption to a western audience. Even if the correlation people are making between obesity and overconsumption is untrue, unfortunate, and/or perpetuating a stereotype, it still makes the point quite well.</p>
<p>Most of the people who this advert is aimed at would probably rather get a cold than be obese&#8230; So it&#8217;s probably a more powerful message to them anyway. And the fact that it is liked might even lead to more discussion!</p>
<p>Plus the &#8216;sick earth&#8217; has been slightly overused, I feel.</p>
<p>To be honest, I wasn&#8217;t aware that there was any evidence suggesting that obesity isn&#8217;t linked to health or to over consumption! So I admit I&#8217;m not very well read on the subject and I&#8217;m probably influenced by the 12938192083 images a day I probably see inferring that they are linked. Perhaps I would be a little more adverse to this otherwise.</p>
<p>But also, I feel I should say, that the earth in the cartoon doesn&#8217;t look like he&#8217;s starving himself, he looks like he might have been putting on muscles if anything since he&#8217;s flexing them! And he&#8217;s not weighing himself, which was how I thought obesity was defined anyway (could be wrong there!). </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not being inferred that the earth should go on a diet, really, more like he needs a detox and he&#8217;s hitting the gym! If obesity&#8217;s not connected to over consumption or lack of health, then surely there&#8217;s no reason they can&#8217;t hit the gym too?</p>
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		<title>By: david mattatall</title>
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		<dc:creator>david mattatall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But regardless, do we really have to have this argument? My guess is that we are going to keep arguing about whether or not fat is an independent health rather than discussing the point of the post –&quot;

I never made the argument that being fat is unhealthy. I, in fact made the claim that there is &quot;less solid&quot; evidence for that than for a link between over-eating and fatness. So we aren&#039;t arguing about that, I do think that it is completely rational for pretty much any other nation on the planet to accuse America of being an by-and-large (so to speak) an overweight culture drowning in food. Fat-activism aside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But regardless, do we really have to have this argument? My guess is that we are going to keep arguing about whether or not fat is an independent health rather than discussing the point of the post –&#8221;</p>
<p>I never made the argument that being fat is unhealthy. I, in fact made the claim that there is &#8220;less solid&#8221; evidence for that than for a link between over-eating and fatness. So we aren&#8217;t arguing about that, I do think that it is completely rational for pretty much any other nation on the planet to accuse America of being an by-and-large (so to speak) an overweight culture drowning in food. Fat-activism aside.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
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		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People of any size are just terrible judges of activity and food intake levels. The social pressure to conform to the ideal of the ultra-athlete on an ultra-diet compounds this base inaccuracy by affecting how we &lt;i&gt;perceive&lt;/i&gt; types and quantities of food, how we &lt;i&gt;remember&lt;/i&gt; it, and how we &lt;i&gt;recall it&lt;/i&gt;. In the end, even keeping a food log will give you only a ballpark calorie estimate - and this, too, assuming that the caloric content of foods was measured properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People of any size are just terrible judges of activity and food intake levels. The social pressure to conform to the ideal of the ultra-athlete on an ultra-diet compounds this base inaccuracy by affecting how we <i>perceive</i> types and quantities of food, how we <i>remember</i> it, and how we <i>recall it</i>. In the end, even keeping a food log will give you only a ballpark calorie estimate &#8211; and this, too, assuming that the caloric content of foods was measured properly.</p>
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		<title>By: B Adu</title>
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		<dc:creator>B Adu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re your first paragraph, the first study says;

&quot;Thus, the underreporting of energy intake increased with the amount of adiposity in women.&quot;

Women&#039;s underreporting varied with increased fat body fat levels.

This difference doesn&#039;t seem to stop men from being fat.

The assumption that accuracy in calorie estimation =thinness or the opposite of that, is unsupported by the first study.


In the second study;

&#039;the belief that the researcher could verify their report improved the accuracy of patients&#039; self-report. However, all subjects continued to underreport their dietary intake.&#039;

This strikes me as just one of the many psychological effects of calorie mainpulation.

So pressure of being &#039;found out&#039; doesn&#039;t erase underreporting. Why seems to me to be the most interesting part of all this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re your first paragraph, the first study says;</p>
<p>&#8220;Thus, the underreporting of energy intake increased with the amount of adiposity in women.&#8221;</p>
<p>Women&#8217;s underreporting varied with increased fat body fat levels.</p>
<p>This difference doesn&#8217;t seem to stop men from being fat.</p>
<p>The assumption that accuracy in calorie estimation =thinness or the opposite of that, is unsupported by the first study.</p>
<p>In the second study;</p>
<p>&#8216;the belief that the researcher could verify their report improved the accuracy of patients&#8217; self-report. However, all subjects continued to underreport their dietary intake.&#8217;</p>
<p>This strikes me as just one of the many psychological effects of calorie mainpulation.</p>
<p>So pressure of being &#8216;found out&#8217; doesn&#8217;t erase underreporting. Why seems to me to be the most interesting part of all this.</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference is that tooth brushing has been proven to make a positive impact on the overall goal of dental health. Dieting has not been proven to improve overall health in the long term - partly because so few people can maintain the &quot;lifestyle change&quot; involved, and yo-yo dieting has been shown to be harmful. That&#039;s the part of the losing weight = healthy equation that&#039;s missing. &lt;i&gt;Being at a lower weight may or may not be an indicator of better overall population health, but to the best of my knowledge no study exists that shows people who lose significant amounts of weight and keep it off have better health outcomes 5+ years later. Probably because so few people are successful with the first part and so there&#039;s not a big enough sample size to look at.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is that tooth brushing has been proven to make a positive impact on the overall goal of dental health. Dieting has not been proven to improve overall health in the long term &#8211; partly because so few people can maintain the &#8220;lifestyle change&#8221; involved, and yo-yo dieting has been shown to be harmful. That&#8217;s the part of the losing weight = healthy equation that&#8217;s missing. <i>Being at a lower weight may or may not be an indicator of better overall population health, but to the best of my knowledge no study exists that shows people who lose significant amounts of weight and keep it off have better health outcomes 5+ years later. Probably because so few people are successful with the first part and so there&#8217;s not a big enough sample size to look at.</i></p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
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		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But then again, according to Wikipedia, P is a &quot;New Zealand street name for methamphetamine&quot;. So what would I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But then again, according to Wikipedia, P is a &#8220;New Zealand street name for methamphetamine&#8221;. So what would I know.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/01/13/guest-post-environmentalism-using-obesity-metaphors/comment-page-1/#comment-190501</link>
		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some people (e.g. Biggest Loser contestants, but smaller people as well), overweight &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; associated with health issues*, and losing weight &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; part of improving health. I don&#039;t really know which of your points the NWCR is proving, but it shows definitively - even you want to disbelieve the copious anecdotal data - that people can and do lose weight well outside the range predicted by &quot;setpoint theory&quot; and keep that weight off over time. It also shows (and perhaps this is what you are referring to) that such &quot;successful losers&quot; are rare, but that may well be for the reasons I listed above rather than because sustained weight loss is somehow physiologically impossible.

This morning, I read an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stumptuous.com/rant-14-may-2004-weed-the-garden&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;old article&lt;/a&gt; that adroitly handled the argument that &quot;diets don&#039;t work.&quot; It stated, in part,

&lt;blockquote&gt;We don’t say that teeth brushing fails because 95% of people regain tooth plaque once they stop brushing. The point is that fitness and nutrition are good habits that have to be repeated, over and over and over.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And that is basically my argument. Among most people, as you write, &quot;behaviors are more alike than different.&quot; A person who is presently overweight needs to act &lt;i&gt;different&lt;/i&gt; - indeed, different from most presently (what you&#039;d call &quot;naturally&quot;) thin people - to get fit and/or lose weight, &quot;over and over and over&quot;. This is something which &quot;diets&quot;, as we commonly understand them, are usually neither designed nor suited to accomplish.

* See &lt;a href=&quot;http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/01/14/to-cure-a-fat-child-is-not-a-simple-matter-1967-psa/#comment-189740&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this comment&lt;/a&gt;, if you are interested, for my take on the health-weight paradox. In a nutshell, if FA arguments are true, then overweight &lt;i&gt;causes&lt;/i&gt; poor health, acting through social stigma and the resulting stress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some people (e.g. Biggest Loser contestants, but smaller people as well), overweight <i>is</i> associated with health issues*, and losing weight <i>is</i> part of improving health. I don&#8217;t really know which of your points the NWCR is proving, but it shows definitively &#8211; even you want to disbelieve the copious anecdotal data &#8211; that people can and do lose weight well outside the range predicted by &#8220;setpoint theory&#8221; and keep that weight off over time. It also shows (and perhaps this is what you are referring to) that such &#8220;successful losers&#8221; are rare, but that may well be for the reasons I listed above rather than because sustained weight loss is somehow physiologically impossible.</p>
<p>This morning, I read an <a href="http://www.stumptuous.com/rant-14-may-2004-weed-the-garden" rel="nofollow">old article</a> that adroitly handled the argument that &#8220;diets don&#8217;t work.&#8221; It stated, in part,</p>
<blockquote><p>We don’t say that teeth brushing fails because 95% of people regain tooth plaque once they stop brushing. The point is that fitness and nutrition are good habits that have to be repeated, over and over and over.</p></blockquote>
<p>And that is basically my argument. Among most people, as you write, &#8220;behaviors are more alike than different.&#8221; A person who is presently overweight needs to act <i>different</i> &#8211; indeed, different from most presently (what you&#8217;d call &#8220;naturally&#8221;) thin people &#8211; to get fit and/or lose weight, &#8220;over and over and over&#8221;. This is something which &#8220;diets&#8221;, as we commonly understand them, are usually neither designed nor suited to accomplish.</p>
<p>* See <a href="http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/01/14/to-cure-a-fat-child-is-not-a-simple-matter-1967-psa/#comment-189740" rel="nofollow">this comment</a>, if you are interested, for my take on the health-weight paradox. In a nutshell, if FA arguments are true, then overweight <i>causes</i> poor health, acting through social stigma and the resulting stress.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/01/13/guest-post-environmentalism-using-obesity-metaphors/comment-page-1/#comment-190487</link>
		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good point that bears repeating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good point that bears repeating.</p>
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		<title>By: Tinose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tinose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting actually, because your last couple paragraphs reminded me of something one of my college professors said once that always stuck with me:  &quot;A lot of science is figuring out the special cases to exclude, because a lot of the time when people go back to look at those special cases that they excluded the first time, it&#039;s those cases that break the theory and create a new, better one that works with both the regular and the special cases.  And sometimes they don&#039;t and the special cases really are just a distraction.  But if you&#039;re looking for someplace to do some interesting research, look for someplace with a lot of special cases that have been excluded.&quot;  

I&#039;d really pretty much put being fat despite diet and exercise into this, because when people are regaining weight despite things like stomach surgery and being in a hospital to have their diet monitored, and there are constant reports of fat people who eat healthily and don&#039;t lose weight, or people dieting for years on the same amount of calories or fewer calories and hitting plateaus or regaining, or fat people who exercise a lot, eat normally, and don&#039;t lose weight, that tells me that there&#039;s almost certainly something more to it than a simple calories in, calories out equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting actually, because your last couple paragraphs reminded me of something one of my college professors said once that always stuck with me:  &#8220;A lot of science is figuring out the special cases to exclude, because a lot of the time when people go back to look at those special cases that they excluded the first time, it&#8217;s those cases that break the theory and create a new, better one that works with both the regular and the special cases.  And sometimes they don&#8217;t and the special cases really are just a distraction.  But if you&#8217;re looking for someplace to do some interesting research, look for someplace with a lot of special cases that have been excluded.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d really pretty much put being fat despite diet and exercise into this, because when people are regaining weight despite things like stomach surgery and being in a hospital to have their diet monitored, and there are constant reports of fat people who eat healthily and don&#8217;t lose weight, or people dieting for years on the same amount of calories or fewer calories and hitting plateaus or regaining, or fat people who exercise a lot, eat normally, and don&#8217;t lose weight, that tells me that there&#8217;s almost certainly something more to it than a simple calories in, calories out equation.</p>
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		<title>By: B Adu</title>
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		<dc:creator>B Adu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hunger and appetite are functions of your metabolism, not the causes of it. 

How much people eat might be interesting to a lot of people, but it&#039;s irrelevant to altering metabolic function, permanently.

Not that this has anything to do with the point of the post, which is fatness representing overconsumption. 

I&#039;d say someone dripping in jewels, huge empty homes, private jets, the bankers rescued by the public to save a system that environmentalists consider to be the problem in the first place etc., are better examples. Of wasteful overconsumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hunger and appetite are functions of your metabolism, not the causes of it. </p>
<p>How much people eat might be interesting to a lot of people, but it&#8217;s irrelevant to altering metabolic function, permanently.</p>
<p>Not that this has anything to do with the point of the post, which is fatness representing overconsumption. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say someone dripping in jewels, huge empty homes, private jets, the bankers rescued by the public to save a system that environmentalists consider to be the problem in the first place etc., are better examples. Of wasteful overconsumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A giant SUV with one person in it?  A MacMansion?  A thin person standing next to a large private swimming pool?  The list goes on and on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A giant SUV with one person in it?  A MacMansion?  A thin person standing next to a large private swimming pool?  The list goes on and on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
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		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and usually when someone gets personal with someone they are debating with, commenting on how she is speaking, or insinuating that she is a lazy drug user, it usually means he is losing the argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and usually when someone gets personal with someone they are debating with, commenting on how she is speaking, or insinuating that she is a lazy drug user, it usually means he is losing the argument.</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
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		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the problem is that when we discuss this, we go to the extreme.  We are talking about Biggest Loser contestants.  And contrary to popular belief, the rates of the morbidly obese has not changed that much and are not the cause of the numbers being used to justify the obesity epidemic.  Most of the people making up that data are in a much more moderate weight range.  And from the thin to the overweight, in this middle range, behaviors are more alike than different.  However the ones that are naturally thinner tend to attribute it to their behavior rather than their genes and gain a sense of moral superiority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem is that when we discuss this, we go to the extreme.  We are talking about Biggest Loser contestants.  And contrary to popular belief, the rates of the morbidly obese has not changed that much and are not the cause of the numbers being used to justify the obesity epidemic.  Most of the people making up that data are in a much more moderate weight range.  And from the thin to the overweight, in this middle range, behaviors are more alike than different.  However the ones that are naturally thinner tend to attribute it to their behavior rather than their genes and gain a sense of moral superiority.</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
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		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does it have to be about weight loss at all?  If it was about health, many people would exercise moderately, and eat healthily (I am sure there are some tenets of eating healthily that we can agree on, like sitting down to eat something cooked rather than gotten in a drive thru)and probably lose a good deal of weight.  And many would only lose a little, and some would gain.  But rates of heart disease ans diabetes would go down.  And people of all sizes might feel good about themselves.  You can generalize as much as you want, but you still can&#039;t look at someone and tell how healthy they are.  And the diets that have been studied by the way, have not all been seasonal. And the National Weight Control Registry happens to be proving my point.  So you should probably stop citing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does it have to be about weight loss at all?  If it was about health, many people would exercise moderately, and eat healthily (I am sure there are some tenets of eating healthily that we can agree on, like sitting down to eat something cooked rather than gotten in a drive thru)and probably lose a good deal of weight.  And many would only lose a little, and some would gain.  But rates of heart disease ans diabetes would go down.  And people of all sizes might feel good about themselves.  You can generalize as much as you want, but you still can&#8217;t look at someone and tell how healthy they are.  And the diets that have been studied by the way, have not all been seasonal. And the National Weight Control Registry happens to be proving my point.  So you should probably stop citing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Scapino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scapino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you&#039;re willing to posit that weight gain can not lead to obesity...

You&#039;re right, though, in that your phrasing would be more thematically consistent with what I was trying to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you&#8217;re willing to posit that weight gain can not lead to obesity&#8230;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, though, in that your phrasing would be more thematically consistent with what I was trying to say.</p>
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