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		<title>By: Women Boxers Should Wear Skirts &#124; Care2 Causes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Women Boxers Should Wear Skirts &#124; Care2 Causes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 17:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Media Portrayals of Female Athletes &#124; Health for the Whole Self</title>
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		<dc:creator>Media Portrayals of Female Athletes &#124; Health for the Whole Self</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nicola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 04:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“In the Olympics, only beach volleyball actually has a rule against wearing more.”!

That&#039;s not quite true. I can&#039;t speak for all sports but Artistic Gymnastics definitely has rules. You must wear a leotard and you can&#039;t wear shorts or leggings. Some girls have done so for religious reasons and incur a deduction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“In the Olympics, only beach volleyball actually has a rule against wearing more.”!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not quite true. I can&#8217;t speak for all sports but Artistic Gymnastics definitely has rules. You must wear a leotard and you can&#8217;t wear shorts or leggings. Some girls have done so for religious reasons and incur a deduction.</p>
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		<title>By: karinova</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/29/feminizing-womens-sports-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-183745</link>
		<dc:creator>karinova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: before &amp; after
Yeah, I&#039;m just slightly too young, but I actually do vaguely remember what he&#039;s talking about from old magazines and reruns and stuff that I saw as a kid. I tried a quick Google search for images to refresh my memory, but I didn&#039;t turn up much; all you get is the costume-shop version of the 70s and 80s, which is nothing like the real thing. I have a feeling a before-&amp;-after gallery would be pretty dramatic. Maybe I&#039;ll do a deeper search. If I find anything I&#039;ll submit it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: before &amp; after<br />
Yeah, I&#8217;m just slightly too young, but I actually do vaguely remember what he&#8217;s talking about from old magazines and reruns and stuff that I saw as a kid. I tried a quick Google search for images to refresh my memory, but I didn&#8217;t turn up much; all you get is the costume-shop version of the 70s and 80s, which is nothing like the real thing. I have a feeling a before-&amp;-after gallery would be pretty dramatic. Maybe I&#8217;ll do a deeper search. If I find anything I&#8217;ll submit it!</p>
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		<title>By: Zephyr</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/29/feminizing-womens-sports-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-183728</link>
		<dc:creator>Zephyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 06:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why I apparently can&#039;t reply to your last comment, but hopefully this will show up somewhere logical...

The thing is, I looked at the site that the essays&#039;s on, and it&#039;s a bit... questionably motivated.  Suffice it to say there&#039;s probably a reason for the things you noticed.  And I&#039;m not sure what the author&#039;s qualifications are, although I should check that.  But the argument can be assessed independent of the background, I think, and it seems persuasive.

It&#039;s too bad I&#039;m just a bit too young to be able to have seen (noticed?) the before and after personally.  Although for that matter, I went to small religious schools growing up, and &#039;gayness&#039; was never really on the social radar.  Between being sheltered and being oblivious....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why I apparently can&#8217;t reply to your last comment, but hopefully this will show up somewhere logical&#8230;</p>
<p>The thing is, I looked at the site that the essays&#8217;s on, and it&#8217;s a bit&#8230; questionably motivated.  Suffice it to say there&#8217;s probably a reason for the things you noticed.  And I&#8217;m not sure what the author&#8217;s qualifications are, although I should check that.  But the argument can be assessed independent of the background, I think, and it seems persuasive.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too bad I&#8217;m just a bit too young to be able to have seen (noticed?) the before and after personally.  Although for that matter, I went to small religious schools growing up, and &#8216;gayness&#8217; was never really on the social radar.  Between being sheltered and being oblivious&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: karinova</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/29/feminizing-womens-sports-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-183725</link>
		<dc:creator>karinova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 06:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, and that &quot;hip-hop chador&quot; metaphor is pretty interesting. Again, he may have a point. After all, it&#039;s men who are imposing these sartorial rules. If the thinking is that men are predators and that gay men are even more predatory, perhaps it follows that (straight) men need to be shrouded from the dangerous (gay) male gaze, for their own protection! 

Okay, enough! Waaay OT!
(But this would make a great post for SocImgs, hint hint!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, and that &#8220;hip-hop chador&#8221; metaphor is pretty interesting. Again, he may have a point. After all, it&#8217;s men who are imposing these sartorial rules. If the thinking is that men are predators and that gay men are even more predatory, perhaps it follows that (straight) men need to be shrouded from the dangerous (gay) male gaze, for their own protection! </p>
<p>Okay, enough! Waaay OT!<br />
(But this would make a great post for SocImgs, hint hint!!)</p>
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		<title>By: karinova</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/29/feminizing-womens-sports-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-183719</link>
		<dc:creator>karinova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 05:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thanks Zephyr! I didn&#039;t really even expect any theories, much less a full-on treatise on the matter. Ah, academia: if you&#039;ve thought of it, they&#039;ve published an essay on it.

I can&#039;t help myself:
Is it me or does the author come off vaguely white-and-peevish, what with all the comments about &quot;buffoonery&quot; and &quot;clownishness&quot;— which seem to be specifically directed at the hip-hop baggy look? And there&#039;s a very creepy-old-man tone for a while there— he sure seems to miss seeing boys&#039; bulges, and their &quot;voluptuous&quot; this, and &quot;sumptuous&quot; that. It made me kinda uncomfortable! (Why the focus on &quot;boys&quot; anyhow, and not men? Boys didn&#039;t go to the disco.) And what was that about &quot;playing around&quot; in their pants?! The hell??

But other than that, I think he&#039;s definitely on to something re: menswear baggification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks Zephyr! I didn&#8217;t really even expect any theories, much less a full-on treatise on the matter. Ah, academia: if you&#8217;ve thought of it, they&#8217;ve published an essay on it.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help myself:<br />
Is it me or does the author come off vaguely white-and-peevish, what with all the comments about &#8220;buffoonery&#8221; and &#8220;clownishness&#8221;— which seem to be specifically directed at the hip-hop baggy look? And there&#8217;s a very creepy-old-man tone for a while there— he sure seems to miss seeing boys&#8217; bulges, and their &#8220;voluptuous&#8221; this, and &#8220;sumptuous&#8221; that. It made me kinda uncomfortable! (Why the focus on &#8220;boys&#8221; anyhow, and not men? Boys didn&#8217;t go to the disco.) And what was that about &#8220;playing around&#8221; in their pants?! The hell??</p>
<p>But other than that, I think he&#8217;s definitely on to something re: menswear baggification.</p>
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		<title>By: karinova</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/29/feminizing-womens-sports-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-183080</link>
		<dc:creator>karinova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“Why do they always put female athletes in overly feminine clothes that don’t suit their body type?” Satin is nobody’s friend.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s a little thing, but as someone who sews, those outfits made me cringe because it seems like every time I see athletic women &quot;glammed up&quot; like this, the clothes are unflattering or don&#039;t fit, and somehow the effect is distinctly awkward and &lt;i&gt;un&lt;/i&gt;feminine.* There&#039;s no reason for this. It&#039;s one thing when it&#039;s a woman on the street going about her business; I well know how hard it can be to find clothes that fit/flatter, and life isn&#039;t a catwalk. But if it&#039;s a professional glamour shot? It bugs me. It&#039;s like even the professional stylists just throw up their hands and say &quot;we don&#039;t know what to do with this!&quot; and chuck some satin at their victim. It doesn&#039;t seem fair. If you&#039;re gonna go there... ain&#039;t they a woman?

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*I may be sensitive because I have a bit of an &quot;athletic&quot; build myself in the upper body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Why do they always put female athletes in overly feminine clothes that don’t suit their body type?” Satin is nobody’s friend.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a little thing, but as someone who sews, those outfits made me cringe because it seems like every time I see athletic women &#8220;glammed up&#8221; like this, the clothes are unflattering or don&#8217;t fit, and somehow the effect is distinctly awkward and <i>un</i>feminine.* There&#8217;s no reason for this. It&#8217;s one thing when it&#8217;s a woman on the street going about her business; I well know how hard it can be to find clothes that fit/flatter, and life isn&#8217;t a catwalk. But if it&#8217;s a professional glamour shot? It bugs me. It&#8217;s like even the professional stylists just throw up their hands and say &#8220;we don&#8217;t know what to do with this!&#8221; and chuck some satin at their victim. It doesn&#8217;t seem fair. If you&#8217;re gonna go there&#8230; ain&#8217;t they a woman?</p>
<p>____<br />
*I may be sensitive because I have a bit of an &#8220;athletic&#8221; build myself in the upper body.</p>
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		<title>By: Zephyr</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/29/feminizing-womens-sports-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-183040</link>
		<dc:creator>Zephyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, correction: no _cited_ sources.  And he actually discusses those full-body suits.  Which may be tight, but are at least long, lest they seem &quot;too gay&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, correction: no _cited_ sources.  And he actually discusses those full-body suits.  Which may be tight, but are at least long, lest they seem &#8220;too gay&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Zac</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/29/feminizing-womens-sports-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-183039</link>
		<dc:creator>Zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I don&#039;t think that&#039;s clear from what&#039;s being said here - the public at large views women as - what, feminine? We expect male athletes to behave in a masculine manner. Men probably have a lot more freedom in choosing whether or not their behavior is &quot;attractive&quot; to women, but what is the NBA dress code except an attempt to get men to behave in the way we expect them to?

Jeez yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s clear from what&#8217;s being said here &#8211; the public at large views women as &#8211; what, feminine? We expect male athletes to behave in a masculine manner. Men probably have a lot more freedom in choosing whether or not their behavior is &#8220;attractive&#8221; to women, but what is the NBA dress code except an attempt to get men to behave in the way we expect them to?</p>
<p>Jeez yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Zephyr</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/29/feminizing-womens-sports-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-183037</link>
		<dc:creator>Zephyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 06:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Late, but...)  There was a link in one of the comments on the post from two weeks ago about unisex vs women&#039;s shirts to this article:

http://www.ipce.info/library_2/files/esser_baggy.htm

No actual sources, but the argument feels right to me.  To oversimplify, he&#039;s claiming that it started with heterosexual men perceiving a need to distance themselves from a style that had formerly been generically male, but came to be associated specifically with gay men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Late, but&#8230;)  There was a link in one of the comments on the post from two weeks ago about unisex vs women&#8217;s shirts to this article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ipce.info/library_2/files/esser_baggy.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipce.info/library_2/files/esser_baggy.htm</a></p>
<p>No actual sources, but the argument feels right to me.  To oversimplify, he&#8217;s claiming that it started with heterosexual men perceiving a need to distance themselves from a style that had formerly been generically male, but came to be associated specifically with gay men.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Younger</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/29/feminizing-womens-sports-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-182885</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Younger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Zac-it&#039;s not about being okay or not okay--it&#039;s about what these representations and constructions say about femininity and how we view women. Jeez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Zac-it&#8217;s not about being okay or not okay&#8211;it&#8217;s about what these representations and constructions say about femininity and how we view women. Jeez.</p>
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		<title>By: Zac</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/29/feminizing-womens-sports-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-182875</link>
		<dc:creator>Zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if Danica Patrick wanted to pose in a bikini? Would that be okay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if Danica Patrick wanted to pose in a bikini? Would that be okay?</p>
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		<title>By: Ginsu Shark</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/29/feminizing-womens-sports-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-181610</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginsu Shark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 04:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the claim that she is a woman who wasn’t born a lesbian but “simply fell in love with a close female friend,”&quot;
In other words, she was a lesbian (or bisexual) all along...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the claim that she is a woman who wasn’t born a lesbian but “simply fell in love with a close female friend,”&#8221;<br />
In other words, she was a lesbian (or bisexual) all along&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: karinova</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/29/feminizing-womens-sports-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-181516</link>
		<dc:creator>karinova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT, but I&#039;ve been wondering at the embaggening of men&#039;s sports gear for some time now. I live on the California coast, and I recently asked a friend &quot;why it is that (surf)board shorts are so large; wouldn&#039;t it be more comfortable to have close-fitting garments in the water?&quot; He&#039;d never considered it. Or look at basketball, where you can see the fabric hitching on the players&#039; knees when they bend them— which is to say, constantly. Baggy I get. But why so long?

Well, there&#039;s always the men&#039;s swim team. Their new outfits somehow seem even &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; revealing, even though they&#039;re now covered from neck to ankles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT, but I&#8217;ve been wondering at the embaggening of men&#8217;s sports gear for some time now. I live on the California coast, and I recently asked a friend &#8220;why it is that (surf)board shorts are so large; wouldn&#8217;t it be more comfortable to have close-fitting garments in the water?&#8221; He&#8217;d never considered it. Or look at basketball, where you can see the fabric hitching on the players&#8217; knees when they bend them— which is to say, constantly. Baggy I get. But why so long?</p>
<p>Well, there&#8217;s always the men&#8217;s swim team. Their new outfits somehow seem even <i>more</i> revealing, even though they&#8217;re now covered from neck to ankles!</p>
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