I think most white Americans, if they have been educated-and that’s a big if, would readily admit that we treated the Native American people like dogs.

Yup. But they are almost completely unaware of the actual relations between natives and Europeans. Most people think it was, whites come, kill kill kill conquer, kill. A lot more happened, but it doesn’t suit the creation of white loathing and white self loathing to tell the full story.

what white people are currently living with a heavy dose of liberal guilt?

White liberals. Almost everyone else understands that people that aren’t responsible for something, don’t have to feel guilty for it. Kind of like how liberals blamed that ridiculous preacher in Florida for violence in the middle east because he burned a Koran. All he did was burn a book. The persons commiting the violent acts, well that was just one more EXCUSE they used for their acts. But who felt he was guilty? Only liberals.

And what do you suggest one does as a result of this guilt,

John Safran pointed out the hypocritical nature of the left in this regard in Episode 2 of his series “John Safran vs God.” We went door to door with some Aussie Aboriginals and asked for people who had stickers regarding National Sorry Day ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Sorry_Day ) on their doors, to allow the Aboriginals to just live there. Of course they all declined.

Facts are that all of those that feel white liberal guilt, aren’t actually going to DO anything but accuse other whites of being more guilty of some act. Often these accusations are couched as ‘critiques’. Are the white liberals going to leave? Give back their share of the land? Enslave themselves? RENT themselves for low cost? Or do any other action to “give back” what was [purportedly] stolen? I think we both know the answer to that.

I suggest you visit the home of every African American family descended from slaves and apologize.

Um, what about the Irish slaves? You do realize that there were at least four times as many Irish slaves that crossed the Atlantic to these United States than African? (Most of the Africans ended up elsewhere). Irish slaves were cheaper and often even free, after all the Anglish could just grab and go. 

I sincerely hope you don’t actually believe the bullshit that you write.

They’ve made quite a few outright false statements that can be factually proven wrong on this site. At first I believed maybe they actually believed the ridiculous claims they have made. But I’ve started to grow suspicious. You can only have facts countering your false claims shown so many times and still make the same claims before someone is going to say “WAIT A MINUTE!….”

Real life. 

Those of us with good taste on the other hand, just saw it as a really sh’tty movie. 

Yeah that’s the view most people have of European colonies here. Of course the truth is quite a bit different. Most of the power acquired by Europeans was done not by them back stabbing, but by the natives backstabbing each other. Tecumseh tried to outlaw natives selling each others land, and it wasn’t just the colonizers that opposed him. (It had become custom at that point for one tribe to sell land that belonged to another tribe as if it were there own. They did this to enemy tribes and nations..and so most of them were complicit in if not their own subjugation, then at least that of the nations whose land they had sold…)

And can you name a race that’s not actually done it?

You nailed it right on the head about the “evil” characters. It’s like Cameron got a dart board with the tropish evil character traits, threw a balloon at it, and whatever stuck, those were the typical traits he applied. 

And yeah the cliches were abundant. Evilly evil people was my main objection. If people who did evil things ran around acting all evilly evil like in the movie, h’ll, they’d be easy to spot.

So it would be perfectly ‘anthropoligistical” to think of the vision not just from how persons viewing the piece would understand it, but from the view of the person who created the piece.

I’m not sure if I agree with J Cline as to what the vision for the movie was from Cameron’s perspective. I’ve seen people critique it in exactly the opposite fashion as Lisa. Some have suggested it is entirely an effort to promote white racism and continue the view of the white race as “evil”. Since there are such wildly opposing interpretations, I’m hard pressed to be convinced that just because someone feels a certain way about it, that is what Cameron intended.

Course we could let Cameron say what he intended himself, but why do that when we can tell him and others what he was actually thinking, cause we know better than he does.

We can wallow in guilt about it and, still, the likelihood that power dynamics will be reconfigured in any meaningful way is just about zero.

True.

Of course none of those people wallowing in guilt about it are going to give up the comfortable lifestyles they’ve grown accustomed to living. You know, like giving the land back, giving their homes up, their cars, food grown mass produced on factory farms. In fact that guilt lets them get out of doing anything actually proactive to change the situation as it exists now. 

So really that guilt is fake guilt. It’s in fact a prime reason why I decided long ago to reject guilt. If I was going to continue in the same course of action, what is the point of guilt? And if my actions are going to change, what would the need be of continued guilt? So either do, or don’t but ceaselessly feeling guilty, not so much.