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	<title>Comments on: Have A &#8220;Gay&#8221; Holiday!</title>
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		<title>By: Blix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word &#039;nice&#039; actually means ignorant, so next time you say someone is nice...</description>
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		<title>By: Journal #4 and Tomorrow &#171; Social Problems Course</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journal #4 and Tomorrow &#171; Social Problems Course</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On the social construction of language &#8211; specifically gay and fruitcake  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Meera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Gay&#039; was largely a term claimed and promoted by members of the gay community themselves, to distance themselves from the oppressive associations that had become embedded within the language of medical-psychiatric pathologization (&#039;homosexual&#039;). The gay-rights movement happened to get an early, highly-visible start in the twentieth century in the United States (particularly with the Stonewall Riots), hence the enduring prominence of the term &#039;gay&#039;. I don&#039;t see anything &#039;frightening&#039; about this; I&#039;m rather more frightened by the enduring imposition of medicalized language upon queer folks in many areas of life, and throughout many countries.

Many non-English-speaking societies have alternate, more commonly used terms than &#039;gay&#039;, both neutral and derogatory, to refer to gay persons. Even some predominantly English-language communities use terms adapted from the vocabulary and conceptual repertoire of their historical language traditions (e.g., -- North American First Nations societies using &#039;two-spirited&#039; rather than gay/lesbian/bisexual/queer/transgendered).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Gay&#8217; was largely a term claimed and promoted by members of the gay community themselves, to distance themselves from the oppressive associations that had become embedded within the language of medical-psychiatric pathologization (&#8216;homosexual&#8217;). The gay-rights movement happened to get an early, highly-visible start in the twentieth century in the United States (particularly with the Stonewall Riots), hence the enduring prominence of the term &#8216;gay&#8217;. I don&#8217;t see anything &#8216;frightening&#8217; about this; I&#8217;m rather more frightened by the enduring imposition of medicalized language upon queer folks in many areas of life, and throughout many countries.</p>
<p>Many non-English-speaking societies have alternate, more commonly used terms than &#8216;gay&#8217;, both neutral and derogatory, to refer to gay persons. Even some predominantly English-language communities use terms adapted from the vocabulary and conceptual repertoire of their historical language traditions (e.g., &#8212; North American First Nations societies using &#8216;two-spirited&#8217; rather than gay/lesbian/bisexual/queer/transgendered).</p>
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		<title>By: Buddy McCue</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/25/have-a-gay-holiday/comment-page-1/#comment-177402</link>
		<dc:creator>Buddy McCue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The meaning of words change over time; that&#039;s just the way of things. I read somewhere that the word &quot;silly&quot; once meant &quot;wise.&quot;

By the way, if you want to send someone a fruitcake (since its so traditional,) but you suspect that they won&#039;t eat it, here is a great solution:

http://www.inflatablefruitcake.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The meaning of words change over time; that&#8217;s just the way of things. I read somewhere that the word &#8220;silly&#8221; once meant &#8220;wise.&#8221;</p>
<p>By the way, if you want to send someone a fruitcake (since its so traditional,) but you suspect that they won&#8217;t eat it, here is a great solution:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.inflatablefruitcake.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.inflatablefruitcake.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obligatory TV Tropes links: &lt;a href=&quot;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HaveAGayOldTime&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Have a Gay Old Time&lt;/a&gt; (about this kind of words that have changed their meanings), &lt;a href=&quot;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheGayNineties&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Gay Nineties&lt;/a&gt; (about the decade of the 1890s). Compare with &lt;a href=&quot;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GetTheeToANunnery&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Get Thee To A Nunnery&lt;/a&gt;, which is the exact opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obligatory TV Tropes links: <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HaveAGayOldTime" rel="nofollow">Have a Gay Old Time</a> (about this kind of words that have changed their meanings), <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheGayNineties" rel="nofollow">The Gay Nineties</a> (about the decade of the 1890s). Compare with <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GetTheeToANunnery" rel="nofollow">Get Thee To A Nunnery</a>, which is the exact opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: A.O.</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/25/have-a-gay-holiday/comment-page-1/#comment-177044</link>
		<dc:creator>A.O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 07:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty good example of americanisation. Some american slang word for homosexual becomes globally upheld concept. This does not just go for the english community but virtually all people of different languages understand that &quot;gay&quot; means a homosexual. A bit frightening, is it not? Since last time I checked I did not live in some american ghetto where slang language such as this is normally used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty good example of americanisation. Some american slang word for homosexual becomes globally upheld concept. This does not just go for the english community but virtually all people of different languages understand that &#8220;gay&#8221; means a homosexual. A bit frightening, is it not? Since last time I checked I did not live in some american ghetto where slang language such as this is normally used.</p>
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		<title>By: Julianna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julianna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 06:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A side-funny: As I&#039;m sure you know, there&#039;s a gay bar called &#039;The Gay 90s&#039; in Minneapolis. 

The possibility that they took the name from the fruit cake brand...hahah, that&#039;d be really clever!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A side-funny: As I&#8217;m sure you know, there&#8217;s a gay bar called &#8216;The Gay 90s&#8217; in Minneapolis. </p>
<p>The possibility that they took the name from the fruit cake brand&#8230;hahah, that&#8217;d be really clever!</p>
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		<title>By: Rebj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 04:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@karinova: &quot;That&#039;s so gay&quot; also goes with with stereotype that all gay people are, as a rule, &quot;embarrasingly overenthusiastic&quot;/over-the-top dramatic. It hasn&#039;t quite disconnected itself from its homophobic roots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@karinova: &#8220;That&#8217;s so gay&#8221; also goes with with stereotype that all gay people are, as a rule, &#8220;embarrasingly overenthusiastic&#8221;/over-the-top dramatic. It hasn&#8217;t quite disconnected itself from its homophobic roots.</p>
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		<title>By: karinova</title>
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		<dc:creator>karinova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a theory about the word &quot;gay.&quot; This is its public debut. (Please be gentle, I hope this isn&#039;t a stupid thing to say.)

I think the meaning of &quot;gay&quot; might be changing again, back into something closer to this older meaning. At least in one specific context: it seems to me that when young people today say &quot;that&#039;s so gay,&quot; it doesn&#039;t exactly refer to sexuality? Or, not quite the way it did just a few years ago when people first started saying it. Now, to be clear, I&#039;m still way uncomfortable with this usage. I&#039;m so not even defending it. In my world, it&#039;s a stupid, thoughtless slur. Period. But... I think a lot about words, and what people think they mean. And I swear, it seems more and more like &quot;gay&quot; in that particular insulting context means something like &quot;embarrassingly overenthusiastic.&quot; The phrase communicates the speaker&#039;s... emotional detachment. Ennui. Which is, and maybe has been for a while now, &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; social currency. It&#039;s not seemly to be &lt;i&gt;too&lt;/i&gt; into anything. In order to keep one&#039;s cool (pun intended), distance must be maintained.

[Note: I see where this is coming from— and I&#039;m not exactly cool with it. The homosexual=bad thing is in there because &quot;that&#039;s so gay&quot; is basically the &quot;well, jeez, if you &lt;b&gt;love&lt;/b&gt; that band/movie/scene so much, why don&#039;t you marry it/have sex with it?!&quot; burn, through the prism of homophobia. There&#039;s a contempt there. So... yeah. Not cool.]

What&#039;s funny is, the &quot;enthusiasm&quot; meaning seems like it was maybe there all along. I look at those old ads and to me, there&#039;s an abandon there— gay wasn&#039;t just &lt;i&gt;happy,&lt;/i&gt; it was kick-you-heels-up/throw-your-hands-in-the-air happy. Giddy happy. &quot;Woooo!!&quot; happy. That only hit me recently, and when it did, I decided it was a shame we ever lost that in the first place (not to mention gained a nasty slur), because I don&#039;t know of another word that means exactly that. So maybe I&#039;m just hoping, but I wonder if in 30 or 40 years (or less?), &quot;gay&quot; will just mean something like &quot;deliriously enthused.&quot; (And maybe we can lose &quot;that&#039;s so gay.&quot; Here&#039;s to hope.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a theory about the word &#8220;gay.&#8221; This is its public debut. (Please be gentle, I hope this isn&#8217;t a stupid thing to say.)</p>
<p>I think the meaning of &#8220;gay&#8221; might be changing again, back into something closer to this older meaning. At least in one specific context: it seems to me that when young people today say &#8220;that&#8217;s so gay,&#8221; it doesn&#8217;t exactly refer to sexuality? Or, not quite the way it did just a few years ago when people first started saying it. Now, to be clear, I&#8217;m still way uncomfortable with this usage. I&#8217;m so not even defending it. In my world, it&#8217;s a stupid, thoughtless slur. Period. But&#8230; I think a lot about words, and what people think they mean. And I swear, it seems more and more like &#8220;gay&#8221; in that particular insulting context means something like &#8220;embarrassingly overenthusiastic.&#8221; The phrase communicates the speaker&#8217;s&#8230; emotional detachment. Ennui. Which is, and maybe has been for a while now, <i>the</i> social currency. It&#8217;s not seemly to be <i>too</i> into anything. In order to keep one&#8217;s cool (pun intended), distance must be maintained.</p>
<p>[Note: I see where this is coming from— and I'm not exactly cool with it. The homosexual=bad thing is in there because "that's so gay" is basically the "well, jeez, if you <b>love</b> that band/movie/scene so much, why don't you marry it/have sex with it?!" burn, through the prism of homophobia. There's a contempt there. So... yeah. Not cool.]</p>
<p>What&#8217;s funny is, the &#8220;enthusiasm&#8221; meaning seems like it was maybe there all along. I look at those old ads and to me, there&#8217;s an abandon there— gay wasn&#8217;t just <i>happy,</i> it was kick-you-heels-up/throw-your-hands-in-the-air happy. Giddy happy. &#8220;Woooo!!&#8221; happy. That only hit me recently, and when it did, I decided it was a shame we ever lost that in the first place (not to mention gained a nasty slur), because I don&#8217;t know of another word that means exactly that. So maybe I&#8217;m just hoping, but I wonder if in 30 or 40 years (or less?), &#8220;gay&#8221; will just mean something like &#8220;deliriously enthused.&#8221; (And maybe we can lose &#8220;that&#8217;s so gay.&#8221; Here&#8217;s to hope.)</p>
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		<title>By: The Amazing Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Amazing Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 22:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(By the way, the &quot;see more gay ads here!&quot; link doesn&#039;t work)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(By the way, the &#8220;see more gay ads here!&#8221; link doesn&#8217;t work)</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It also reminds us that the tradition of romanticizing and idealizing the past goes back a long way. The &quot;gay 90&#039;s&quot; (I&#039;d guess the 1890&#039;s) had a &quot;rich, luscious flavor,&quot; presumably unlike the poor, dry flavor of today. Heck, if the government sent soldiers to war, maybe flavors had become more poor and dry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also reminds us that the tradition of romanticizing and idealizing the past goes back a long way. The &#8220;gay 90&#8242;s&#8221; (I&#8217;d guess the 1890&#8242;s) had a &#8220;rich, luscious flavor,&#8221; presumably unlike the poor, dry flavor of today. Heck, if the government sent soldiers to war, maybe flavors had become more poor and dry.</p>
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