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		<title>By: Sastry.M</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/23/1930s-ad-touting-razor-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-439647</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sastry.M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If science is a search to dispel myth with human logic and rationality a small patch of pit and pubic hair of females can effectively put taboos and feel hated and ashamed by themselves to the detriment of scientific pursuit. Thus hate begins at puberty which nature knows not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If science is a search to dispel myth with human logic and rationality a small patch of pit and pubic hair of females can effectively put taboos and feel hated and ashamed by themselves to the detriment of scientific pursuit. Thus hate begins at puberty which nature knows not.</p>
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		<title>By: Yael</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/23/1930s-ad-touting-razor-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-195690</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which translation are you using? That&#039;s verse 44, actually, at least in my versions (standard Al-Azhar Arabic version with the Jalalayn exegesis, and the recent Hebrew translation by Uri Rubin).
The exegesis for this verse has this to say on the subject of the Queen&#039;s legs (rough on-the-spot translation from the Arabic by yours truly):
&#039;&quot;And she uncovered her shins&quot;: To cross it [the floor], and Solomon was on his throne in the heart of the palace and he saw that her shins and feet are fine.
[...]
&quot;With Solomon to Allah, Lord of the Worlds&quot;: And he wished to marry her, but despised the hair on her shins; and the demons made him &lt;i&gt;noorah&lt;/i&gt; [a rare word signifying a tar-like concoction], and with this she removed it [the hair], and he married her and loved her [and so on, basically a long &#039;they lived happily ever after&#039; sort of description I can&#039;t bother to translate]&#039;

Nice, ain&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which translation are you using? That&#8217;s verse 44, actually, at least in my versions (standard Al-Azhar Arabic version with the Jalalayn exegesis, and the recent Hebrew translation by Uri Rubin).<br />
The exegesis for this verse has this to say on the subject of the Queen&#8217;s legs (rough on-the-spot translation from the Arabic by yours truly):<br />
&#8216;&#8221;And she uncovered her shins&#8221;: To cross it [the floor], and Solomon was on his throne in the heart of the palace and he saw that her shins and feet are fine.<br />
[&#8230;]<br />
&#8220;With Solomon to Allah, Lord of the Worlds&#8221;: And he wished to marry her, but despised the hair on her shins; and the demons made him <i>noorah</i> [a rare word signifying a tar-like concoction], and with this she removed it [the hair], and he married her and loved her [and so on, basically a long &#8216;they lived happily ever after&#8217; sort of description I can&#8217;t bother to translate]&#8217;</p>
<p>Nice, ain&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: kelebek</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kelebek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The verse you are referring to is Chapter 27, verse 45.
&quot;She was told, &quot;Enter the palace.&quot; But when she saw it, she thought it was a body of water and uncovered her shins [to wade through]. He said, &quot;Indeed, it is a palace [whose floor is] made smooth with glass.&quot; She said, &quot;My Lord, indeed I have wronged myself, and I submit with Solomon to Allah , Lord of the worlds.&quot;
No mention of hairy legs there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The verse you are referring to is Chapter 27, verse 45.<br />
&#8220;She was told, &#8220;Enter the palace.&#8221; But when she saw it, she thought it was a body of water and uncovered her shins [to wade through]. He said, &#8220;Indeed, it is a palace [whose floor is] made smooth with glass.&#8221; She said, &#8220;My Lord, indeed I have wronged myself, and I submit with Solomon to Allah , Lord of the worlds.&#8221;<br />
No mention of hairy legs there.</p>
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		<title>By: not very creative</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[not very creative]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 06:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gah, sorry that&#039;s so long.  It always seems to happen that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah, sorry that&#8217;s so long.  It always seems to happen that way.</p>
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		<title>By: not very creative</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[not very creative]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 06:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish I had the guts to do what you&#039;ve done, Jess.  My legs are horribly suited to shaving anyway, because I have incredibly dry skin and keratosis pilaris (basically, it looks like I always have goosebumps), plus my skin&#039;s so pale that you can see the roots of my dark hair sticking through even right after I&#039;ve shaved.  It&#039;s not only a hassle and a nod to the patriarchal beauty standards, but it&#039;s pointless.  Even without the dreaded hair, I&#039;m still pasty white, stubbly, and bumpy.  (And, according to the standard, disgusting.)

I keep doing it for the same reason I started: I can&#039;t handle the stigma attached to it.  I was twelve when I started shaving my legs, and I only did it because my gym class peers harassed me by calling me either a gorilla or a &quot;manlady.&quot;  The best part was when my (male) teacher sent me to the only female PE teacher (instead of punishing the bullies, of course), and she told me it was my fault because I had &quot;bad hygiene.&quot;  I remember her saying that it was like taking a shower or using deodorant: &quot;If [bullying classmate] didn&#039;t bathe, they&#039;d make fun of him too.&quot;  Now I feel filthy as soon as my leg hair grows out a little, and it&#039;s no wonder why.

It&#039;s complicated by the fact that I&#039;m in college, and, in the current culture of people my age, I&#039;m not sure if I&#039;m even allowed to have pubic hair anymore.  I&#039;ve heard multiple stories of guys demanding their girlfriend shave their vulvas (and, often, it ended with the girlfriends doing it), which terrifies me.  It terrifies me that, in this culture, people&#039;s (and especially women&#039;s) bodies aren&#039;t their own.  My leg hair had might as well belong to the schoolyard bullies, the teachers, or a random person in the street, and, if I date a man, I&#039;ve forfeited my freaking pubic hair to him.

I hate it, but I&#039;m just not strong enough to combat it.  I hope to get there some day, as I have made progress (I&#039;ve stopped straightening my hair, trying to tan, covering up my freckles, etc).  But the body hair thing is the one thing I can&#039;t get over.  I can look at my bushy, curly mess of head hair and see it as part of my character, but I can only look at my leg hair and see it as disgusting.  Reading stuff like this gives me hope, though.  If someone else has done it...maybe I can too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had the guts to do what you&#8217;ve done, Jess.  My legs are horribly suited to shaving anyway, because I have incredibly dry skin and keratosis pilaris (basically, it looks like I always have goosebumps), plus my skin&#8217;s so pale that you can see the roots of my dark hair sticking through even right after I&#8217;ve shaved.  It&#8217;s not only a hassle and a nod to the patriarchal beauty standards, but it&#8217;s pointless.  Even without the dreaded hair, I&#8217;m still pasty white, stubbly, and bumpy.  (And, according to the standard, disgusting.)</p>
<p>I keep doing it for the same reason I started: I can&#8217;t handle the stigma attached to it.  I was twelve when I started shaving my legs, and I only did it because my gym class peers harassed me by calling me either a gorilla or a &#8220;manlady.&#8221;  The best part was when my (male) teacher sent me to the only female PE teacher (instead of punishing the bullies, of course), and she told me it was my fault because I had &#8220;bad hygiene.&#8221;  I remember her saying that it was like taking a shower or using deodorant: &#8220;If [bullying classmate] didn&#8217;t bathe, they&#8217;d make fun of him too.&#8221;  Now I feel filthy as soon as my leg hair grows out a little, and it&#8217;s no wonder why.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s complicated by the fact that I&#8217;m in college, and, in the current culture of people my age, I&#8217;m not sure if I&#8217;m even allowed to have pubic hair anymore.  I&#8217;ve heard multiple stories of guys demanding their girlfriend shave their vulvas (and, often, it ended with the girlfriends doing it), which terrifies me.  It terrifies me that, in this culture, people&#8217;s (and especially women&#8217;s) bodies aren&#8217;t their own.  My leg hair had might as well belong to the schoolyard bullies, the teachers, or a random person in the street, and, if I date a man, I&#8217;ve forfeited my freaking pubic hair to him.</p>
<p>I hate it, but I&#8217;m just not strong enough to combat it.  I hope to get there some day, as I have made progress (I&#8217;ve stopped straightening my hair, trying to tan, covering up my freckles, etc).  But the body hair thing is the one thing I can&#8217;t get over.  I can look at my bushy, curly mess of head hair and see it as part of my character, but I can only look at my leg hair and see it as disgusting.  Reading stuff like this gives me hope, though.  If someone else has done it&#8230;maybe I can too.</p>
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		<title>By: kp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 06:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple guys I&#039;ve dated, and some of my friends, trim their hair for cleanliness and looks (usually pits and genitals, but one guy occasionally trimmed his legs!). It was &quot;just&quot; trimming with electric clippers, but it&#039;s something I really appreciate!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple guys I&#8217;ve dated, and some of my friends, trim their hair for cleanliness and looks (usually pits and genitals, but one guy occasionally trimmed his legs!). It was &#8220;just&#8221; trimming with electric clippers, but it&#8217;s something I really appreciate!</p>
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		<title>By: Yael</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/23/1930s-ad-touting-razor-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-176475</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to apologise for sounding like a knowitall jerk. Or, rather, for *being* a knowitall jerk, in my comment. I was tired, and pretty much half-read the first comment or two before butting in - definitely not an adviseable practice... :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to apologise for sounding like a knowitall jerk. Or, rather, for *being* a knowitall jerk, in my comment. I was tired, and pretty much half-read the first comment or two before butting in &#8211; definitely not an adviseable practice&#8230; :)</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/23/1930s-ad-touting-razor-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-176211</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 07:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;All this is of course not even considering the fact that leg-shaving was popular in other places and at other times, like is shown in my example below.&quot;
You are more than welcome to a monopoly on info regarding Eastern hair-removal practices - all of my commentary above is regarding western practices =]

&quot;As for pubic hair removing, this is definitely *much* older than the bikini. A quick look-up taught me that it was done as far back as Grecian/Roman times.&quot;
Now, this I can shed some light on! It was necessary to remove pubic hair back then for many women, but not fashionable - removed pubic hair was a signal used by prostitutes to advertise their profession, hence the Merkin popular with many women of the upper classes. 

And thanks to Elena below for clearing up the short-skirt question!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All this is of course not even considering the fact that leg-shaving was popular in other places and at other times, like is shown in my example below.&#8221;<br />
You are more than welcome to a monopoly on info regarding Eastern hair-removal practices &#8211; all of my commentary above is regarding western practices =]</p>
<p>&#8220;As for pubic hair removing, this is definitely *much* older than the bikini. A quick look-up taught me that it was done as far back as Grecian/Roman times.&#8221;<br />
Now, this I can shed some light on! It was necessary to remove pubic hair back then for many women, but not fashionable &#8211; removed pubic hair was a signal used by prostitutes to advertise their profession, hence the Merkin popular with many women of the upper classes. </p>
<p>And thanks to Elena below for clearing up the short-skirt question!</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/23/1930s-ad-touting-razor-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-175961</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Also, people in ancient times shaved their pubic hair because crab lice aren&#039;t a modern development, you know)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Also, people in ancient times shaved their pubic hair because crab lice aren&#8217;t a modern development, you know)</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/23/1930s-ad-touting-razor-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-175960</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s because nylon was invented in 1935, sheer nylon stockings weren&#039;t sold before 1940, and before nylon, women used hosiery made from opaque materials, from wool to silk. If you can&#039;t see the body hair through the stockings, you don&#039;t need to shave it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s because nylon was invented in 1935, sheer nylon stockings weren&#8217;t sold before 1940, and before nylon, women used hosiery made from opaque materials, from wool to silk. If you can&#8217;t see the body hair through the stockings, you don&#8217;t need to shave it.</p>
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		<title>By: Yael</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/23/1930s-ad-touting-razor-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-175839</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have interesting stories, but some of them strike me as somewhat &#039;folk etimologies&#039; - just not about words, but about customs. 
Short skirts were fashionable back in the 20s as well, for instance, much before WWII and cloth shortage; there were also various times in history before that when fashion dictated shorter clothes, of different sorts. And stockings definitely existed long before the 40s, as well. I am not sure at all what was the status of leg-shaving back then. Is there a direct connection, or is it just a cultural development - related to the cleanliness aspect, for instance - that coincided with fashion, and/or got a boost through the fashion?
(All this is of course not even considering the fact that leg-shaving was popular in other places and at other times, like is shown in my example below.)

As for pubic hair removing, this is definitely *much* older than the bikini. A quick look-up taught me that it was done as far back as Grecian/Roman times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have interesting stories, but some of them strike me as somewhat &#8216;folk etimologies&#8217; &#8211; just not about words, but about customs.<br />
Short skirts were fashionable back in the 20s as well, for instance, much before WWII and cloth shortage; there were also various times in history before that when fashion dictated shorter clothes, of different sorts. And stockings definitely existed long before the 40s, as well. I am not sure at all what was the status of leg-shaving back then. Is there a direct connection, or is it just a cultural development &#8211; related to the cleanliness aspect, for instance &#8211; that coincided with fashion, and/or got a boost through the fashion?<br />
(All this is of course not even considering the fact that leg-shaving was popular in other places and at other times, like is shown in my example below.)</p>
<p>As for pubic hair removing, this is definitely *much* older than the bikini. A quick look-up taught me that it was done as far back as Grecian/Roman times.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/23/1930s-ad-touting-razor-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-175829</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Disclaimers are smart, I should start doing that :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disclaimers are smart, I should start doing that :D</p>
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		<title>By: Yael</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/23/1930s-ad-touting-razor-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-175825</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure about armpits, but leg hair goes rather far back. I remember reading about it in a tafsir (Quran exegesis) for a story about Solomon and the Queen of Sheba - she had hairy legs, so he had one of his Djinns make some Nair-like concoction to get rid of the hair.
I can&#039;t remember how much of it was in the actual Sura, and how much was part of the legend detailed in the tafsir, but either way, this would place the concept at the 15th century at the latest (since this is when the tafsir was written, although it is very likely that it was simply citing earlier legends). Possibly much earlier.
Of course, the original story about the Queen of Sheba is much earlier, but the Bible doesn&#039;t actually contain anything about her legs. It&#039;s just later exegetes that made up all the *really* colourful stories.


[PS - For some reason I feel compelled to explain that I did not give this example because you are a Muslim, but just because it is the earliest occurence I can think of. I am not sure if this disclaimer is necessary, but some people around here have short fuses sometimes... :)]



In general, I think the allure of getting rid of body hair comes from two things, mainly: (a) Associating hairlessness with youth, and (b) Associating hairlessness with cleanliness.
The adoration of youth and the youthful body was kinda always there (at least on-and-off), and I think the cleanliness factor is more modern. I think body hair is [being] associated with dirt and body odour and things like that. 
The above might have been said by other commenters, but it&#039;s getting late here and I haven&#039;t been reading everything carefully.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure about armpits, but leg hair goes rather far back. I remember reading about it in a tafsir (Quran exegesis) for a story about Solomon and the Queen of Sheba &#8211; she had hairy legs, so he had one of his Djinns make some Nair-like concoction to get rid of the hair.<br />
I can&#8217;t remember how much of it was in the actual Sura, and how much was part of the legend detailed in the tafsir, but either way, this would place the concept at the 15th century at the latest (since this is when the tafsir was written, although it is very likely that it was simply citing earlier legends). Possibly much earlier.<br />
Of course, the original story about the Queen of Sheba is much earlier, but the Bible doesn&#8217;t actually contain anything about her legs. It&#8217;s just later exegetes that made up all the *really* colourful stories.</p>
<p>[PS &#8211; For some reason I feel compelled to explain that I did not give this example because you are a Muslim, but just because it is the earliest occurence I can think of. I am not sure if this disclaimer is necessary, but some people around here have short fuses sometimes&#8230; :)]</p>
<p>In general, I think the allure of getting rid of body hair comes from two things, mainly: (a) Associating hairlessness with youth, and (b) Associating hairlessness with cleanliness.<br />
The adoration of youth and the youthful body was kinda always there (at least on-and-off), and I think the cleanliness factor is more modern. I think body hair is [being] associated with dirt and body odour and things like that.<br />
The above might have been said by other commenters, but it&#8217;s getting late here and I haven&#8217;t been reading everything carefully.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The spikey things aren&#039;t blades.  The blade is the smooth, round ridge. The bulb screws through the blade and into the handle, locking it into place. 

Ever seen/used a safety razor?  I have one and it&#039;s 100x better than &quot;mach 500!&quot; or whatever, and the blades are super cheap. But this is quite similar.

And only $1!  ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The spikey things aren&#8217;t blades.  The blade is the smooth, round ridge. The bulb screws through the blade and into the handle, locking it into place. </p>
<p>Ever seen/used a safety razor?  I have one and it&#8217;s 100x better than &#8220;mach 500!&#8221; or whatever, and the blades are super cheap. But this is quite similar.</p>
<p>And only $1!  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/23/1930s-ad-touting-razor-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-175427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Victoria]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it just mangles up the skin in your armpit so that nothing will ever grow there again. *wince*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it just mangles up the skin in your armpit so that nothing will ever grow there again. *wince*</p>
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