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		<title>By: Miriam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miriam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I saw this ad on TV, my immediate reaction was to cringe at the kids&#039; disrespectful and obnoxious behavior. The commercial shows them delivering a peppy &quot;ultimatum&quot; to their parents (complete with the &quot;I&#039;m watching you&quot; gesture), refusing to wear their old clothes and demanding new ones. I grew up in a culture where talking that way to a parent (&quot;Talk to the moose&quot;) would be considered outrageous and completely unacceptable- not at all &quot;cute&quot;. This add made me wonder how different the typical &quot;American kid&quot; experience is from my upbringing. Is this kind of behavior and speech (to a parent) considered normal? Was anyone else bothered by this aspect of the ad?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I saw this ad on TV, my immediate reaction was to cringe at the kids&#8217; disrespectful and obnoxious behavior. The commercial shows them delivering a peppy &#8220;ultimatum&#8221; to their parents (complete with the &#8220;I&#8217;m watching you&#8221; gesture), refusing to wear their old clothes and demanding new ones. I grew up in a culture where talking that way to a parent (&#8220;Talk to the moose&#8221;) would be considered outrageous and completely unacceptable- not at all &#8220;cute&#8221;. This add made me wonder how different the typical &#8220;American kid&#8221; experience is from my upbringing. Is this kind of behavior and speech (to a parent) considered normal? Was anyone else bothered by this aspect of the ad?</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I gotta say, gap has to push clothing consumerism really hard, because when I was that age, I *never* asked for clothes. Never, ever. Most girls and boys I knew wanted toys and movies, although boys were often more stuck on video games than girls were, because a lot of the girls I knew weren&#039;t allowed... 
Anyhow, GAP would have to try pretty hard to sell its Christmas sweaters to little kids, in my opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta say, gap has to push clothing consumerism really hard, because when I was that age, I *never* asked for clothes. Never, ever. Most girls and boys I knew wanted toys and movies, although boys were often more stuck on video games than girls were, because a lot of the girls I knew weren&#8217;t allowed&#8230;<br />
Anyhow, GAP would have to try pretty hard to sell its Christmas sweaters to little kids, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: splack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[splack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot of the &quot;fake&quot; fur on coats and boots etc. is from dogs: 

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/07/dog.fur/index.html

http://www.hsus.org/furfree/news/raccoon_dog_fur_jackets_still_mislabeled.html

(This is to Jamie but I can&#039;t reply)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the &#8220;fake&#8221; fur on coats and boots etc. is from dogs: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/07/dog.fur/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/07/dog.fur/index.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.hsus.org/furfree/news/raccoon_dog_fur_jackets_still_mislabeled.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hsus.org/furfree/news/raccoon_dog_fur_jackets_still_mislabeled.html</a></p>
<p>(This is to Jamie but I can&#8217;t reply)</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anne, I have to say I concur with you 100%. 

One thing that has to be acknowledged is the fact that few stereotypes are *completely* false. I&#039;m not saying this to be inflammatory - but there are African-American people who enjoy eating watermelons and there are Jewish people with larger-than-average noses and there are little girls who like to jump around and cheer. If a company shows off only those stereotypes, we should be offended - but if a company includes those stereotypes in a vastly varied ad campaign that also shows opposing stereotypes (men cheering, women performing traditionally masculine dance moves, etc.), then they shouldn&#039;t be attacked for the one ad that does feature the stereotypes. If, for instance, a commercial for a watermelon company shows a montage of people eating watermelons, and includes an African-American in that montage... should we pull out a still of that image and cry racist? No. Same thing here: this particular ad features little girls jumping around and cheering and some of them are wearing pink, yes - but at the same time, not only are a lot of them wearing other colors, but they&#039;re breaking the heteronorm of being submissive, airheaded, frilly little playthings. They&#039;re requesting comfort over fashion - something that has been a huge part of the &quot;feminist fashion&quot; movement that tells women to ditch their high heels for sneakers or sandals or whatever is most comfortable. 

Also, I think they&#039;re all wearing skirts because they&#039;re cheering, and it&#039;s generally tough to do feminine cheering in pants (unless they&#039;re sweats or, as are shown here, leggings).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne, I have to say I concur with you 100%. </p>
<p>One thing that has to be acknowledged is the fact that few stereotypes are *completely* false. I&#8217;m not saying this to be inflammatory &#8211; but there are African-American people who enjoy eating watermelons and there are Jewish people with larger-than-average noses and there are little girls who like to jump around and cheer. If a company shows off only those stereotypes, we should be offended &#8211; but if a company includes those stereotypes in a vastly varied ad campaign that also shows opposing stereotypes (men cheering, women performing traditionally masculine dance moves, etc.), then they shouldn&#8217;t be attacked for the one ad that does feature the stereotypes. If, for instance, a commercial for a watermelon company shows a montage of people eating watermelons, and includes an African-American in that montage&#8230; should we pull out a still of that image and cry racist? No. Same thing here: this particular ad features little girls jumping around and cheering and some of them are wearing pink, yes &#8211; but at the same time, not only are a lot of them wearing other colors, but they&#8217;re breaking the heteronorm of being submissive, airheaded, frilly little playthings. They&#8217;re requesting comfort over fashion &#8211; something that has been a huge part of the &#8220;feminist fashion&#8221; movement that tells women to ditch their high heels for sneakers or sandals or whatever is most comfortable. </p>
<p>Also, I think they&#8217;re all wearing skirts because they&#8217;re cheering, and it&#8217;s generally tough to do feminine cheering in pants (unless they&#8217;re sweats or, as are shown here, leggings).</p>
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		<title>By: Knative</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Knative]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How exactly is GAP suppose to sell girl&#039;s clothes without appealing to fashion and consumerism? 

Would it go something like this?
&quot;These clothes won&#039;t make you feel better, and they are pretty much the same as generic, so there&#039;s no real logical reason to buy them. Oh and we enjoy learning about electicity, watching French New Wave movies, and thinking about solutions to global poverty. We totally don&#039;t care about how cute these boots are, girls are not shallow vapid. So instead of buying us these clothes this Christmas, you should get us a subscription to the economist, and donate some money to OXFAM in our name. Talk to the moose.&quot;


Yeah, pretty sure a chant like that wouldn&#039;t sell clothes well, although it probably would raise someone&#039;s consciousness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How exactly is GAP suppose to sell girl&#8217;s clothes without appealing to fashion and consumerism? </p>
<p>Would it go something like this?<br />
&#8220;These clothes won&#8217;t make you feel better, and they are pretty much the same as generic, so there&#8217;s no real logical reason to buy them. Oh and we enjoy learning about electicity, watching French New Wave movies, and thinking about solutions to global poverty. We totally don&#8217;t care about how cute these boots are, girls are not shallow vapid. So instead of buying us these clothes this Christmas, you should get us a subscription to the economist, and donate some money to OXFAM in our name. Talk to the moose.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, pretty sure a chant like that wouldn&#8217;t sell clothes well, although it probably would raise someone&#8217;s consciousness.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have similar shoes and they&#039;re synthetic.  Technology is amazing nowadays.  They even fool my fur-loving friends, so looks can be deceiving!

I saw women&#039;s boots that are similar and 100% synthetic on the GAP website ad a google search finds many GAP synthetic fur-like boots, but I can&#039;t find these exact boots yet.  I&#039;ll keep looking, though, as I am curious too.  It&#039;s not impossible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have similar shoes and they&#8217;re synthetic.  Technology is amazing nowadays.  They even fool my fur-loving friends, so looks can be deceiving!</p>
<p>I saw women&#8217;s boots that are similar and 100% synthetic on the GAP website ad a google search finds many GAP synthetic fur-like boots, but I can&#8217;t find these exact boots yet.  I&#8217;ll keep looking, though, as I am curious too.  It&#8217;s not impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They&#039;re most definitely not. They look like they are made out of Ugg-boot material.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re most definitely not. They look like they are made out of Ugg-boot material.</p>
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		<title>By: adamson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[adamson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was my initial take on the chant, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was my initial take on the chant, too.</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes but they target them differently based gender stereotypes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes but they target them differently based gender stereotypes.</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Victoria]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the point Lisa is trying to make is that the commercial is targeted specifically at girls using and enforcing common stereotypes that girls should enjoy shopping to degrees of ecstasy and that they should be interested in fashion and appearances.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point Lisa is trying to make is that the commercial is targeted specifically at girls using and enforcing common stereotypes that girls should enjoy shopping to degrees of ecstasy and that they should be interested in fashion and appearances.</p>
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		<title>By: Fangirl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fangirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are we sure they&#039;re real? I can&#039;t tell, obviously, because it&#039;s a commercial, but I would assume (hope?) that they&#039;re just synthetic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we sure they&#8217;re real? I can&#8217;t tell, obviously, because it&#8217;s a commercial, but I would assume (hope?) that they&#8217;re just synthetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren @ In Her Two Shoes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lauren @ In Her Two Shoes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Normally, I agree with the points made on this blog. But I really don&#039;t see anything sexual about this commercial. And, yeah, they&#039;re promoting consumerism. But, come on, it&#039;s a Gap commercial. What would you like them to promote? Not buying their clothes? Or &quot;maybe&quot; buying their clothes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally, I agree with the points made on this blog. But I really don&#8217;t see anything sexual about this commercial. And, yeah, they&#8217;re promoting consumerism. But, come on, it&#8217;s a Gap commercial. What would you like them to promote? Not buying their clothes? Or &#8220;maybe&#8221; buying their clothes?</p>
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		<title>By: Pauline</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pauline]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hadn&#039;t seen that ad. I really like it! :) Lots of fun and it didn&#039;t feel like a &#039;sexy cheerleader dance&#039; at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t seen that ad. I really like it! :) Lots of fun and it didn&#8217;t feel like a &#8216;sexy cheerleader dance&#8217; at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had the same reaction to the dancing.


The problem is that if in real life you point this stuff out, people think you&#039;re some kind of kill joy.  Doesn&#039;t stop me, but I get tired.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the same reaction to the dancing.</p>
<p>The problem is that if in real life you point this stuff out, people think you&#8217;re some kind of kill joy.  Doesn&#8217;t stop me, but I get tired.</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I truly understand that a lot of/most advertising portrays girls in such a way. I am a woman, and I am often frustrated by this, and tend to be put off of many companies because of this. I wish I didn&#039;t have to buy cleaning products because of how sexist commercials for them are, but alas, I must. I read this blog every day. You are preaching to the choir when it comes to the &#039;ads suck and are sexist&#039; thing. But in this case we must agree to disagree. Your first argument was about color. If you actually look at the colors, and I mean look carefully, there is just as much blue as there is pink, maybe even more. Pause it at :04 and you will see a wide shot of all of them. Your second argument was that they were using a gendered activity like cheerleading. The other ad and the whole campaign disproves that. They are not gendering anything, but rather using a play on words and the men and boys in the other ad cheer as well.

In this case, I really think you and the writers of this blog are seeing what you want to see, and taking things out of context. No, there aren&#039;t pants, but I can think of many explanations for that if I really wanted to. Like, maybe they want to showcase more clothing, and skirts + leggings = more clothing than just pants. Regardless, if they were gendering the clothing, then why aren&#039;t all of the women and girls in the other commercial wearing skirts? They are wearing pants and the same colors as the guys. You are framing this as though the second commercial is all guys - it&#039;s not. There are also little girls in it. As for the dances, I don&#039;t think that these little girls are going to do the intense, more complicated break-dance-type moves of the second commercial. Their moves seem like basic cheerleading 101 kind of dancing, but I don&#039;t know anything about cheerleading so I could be wrong. As for the spoiled thing, I think that&#039;s just how you look at it. I hear &#039;Yes I&#039;m a girl but that doesn&#039;t mean I have to look like a doll (read:objectified). My comfort is more important than my looks, but you don&#039;t have to chose between the two with these clothes.&#039; All cheering sounds pretty obnoxious and in your face, in my opinion. I also don&#039;t think that the &#039;talk to the moose&#039; thing is directed at anyone in particular, just a cute little catch phrase. Once again, I guess we should just agree to disagree. I just wish the writers of the blog would have provided the second commercial for context.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I truly understand that a lot of/most advertising portrays girls in such a way. I am a woman, and I am often frustrated by this, and tend to be put off of many companies because of this. I wish I didn&#8217;t have to buy cleaning products because of how sexist commercials for them are, but alas, I must. I read this blog every day. You are preaching to the choir when it comes to the &#8216;ads suck and are sexist&#8217; thing. But in this case we must agree to disagree. Your first argument was about color. If you actually look at the colors, and I mean look carefully, there is just as much blue as there is pink, maybe even more. Pause it at :04 and you will see a wide shot of all of them. Your second argument was that they were using a gendered activity like cheerleading. The other ad and the whole campaign disproves that. They are not gendering anything, but rather using a play on words and the men and boys in the other ad cheer as well.</p>
<p>In this case, I really think you and the writers of this blog are seeing what you want to see, and taking things out of context. No, there aren&#8217;t pants, but I can think of many explanations for that if I really wanted to. Like, maybe they want to showcase more clothing, and skirts + leggings = more clothing than just pants. Regardless, if they were gendering the clothing, then why aren&#8217;t all of the women and girls in the other commercial wearing skirts? They are wearing pants and the same colors as the guys. You are framing this as though the second commercial is all guys &#8211; it&#8217;s not. There are also little girls in it. As for the dances, I don&#8217;t think that these little girls are going to do the intense, more complicated break-dance-type moves of the second commercial. Their moves seem like basic cheerleading 101 kind of dancing, but I don&#8217;t know anything about cheerleading so I could be wrong. As for the spoiled thing, I think that&#8217;s just how you look at it. I hear &#8216;Yes I&#8217;m a girl but that doesn&#8217;t mean I have to look like a doll (read:objectified). My comfort is more important than my looks, but you don&#8217;t have to chose between the two with these clothes.&#8217; All cheering sounds pretty obnoxious and in your face, in my opinion. I also don&#8217;t think that the &#8216;talk to the moose&#8217; thing is directed at anyone in particular, just a cute little catch phrase. Once again, I guess we should just agree to disagree. I just wish the writers of the blog would have provided the second commercial for context.</p>
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