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	<title>Comments on: Stunning Example of the Neutrality of Whiteness</title>
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		<title>By: Kelsey</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/27/stunning-example-of-the-neutrality-of-whiteness/comment-page-1/#comment-546984</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Bravo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Bravo.</p>
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		<title>By: Magpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I&#039;ve always liked calling those pale pink-beiges &quot;chicken skin color&quot;. I&#039;m white if anyone wanted to know. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I&#8217;ve always liked calling those pale pink-beiges &#8220;chicken skin color&#8221;. I&#8217;m white if anyone wanted to know. </p>
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		<title>By: Controversies and Corners&#8230; of Ethics and Aesthetics (and well spiced up with a lot of politics) &#124; Canon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Controversies and Corners&#8230; of Ethics and Aesthetics (and well spiced up with a lot of politics) &#124; Canon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another great article on aesthetics of color and the ethics and politics behind it: Stunning Example of the Neutrality of Whiteness [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another great article on aesthetics of color and the ethics and politics behind it: Stunning Example of the Neutrality of Whiteness [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Women Can Wear Men&#8217;s Shirts, but Men Cannot Wear Women&#8217;s &#187; Sociological Images</title>
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		<dc:creator>Women Can Wear Men&#8217;s Shirts, but Men Cannot Wear Women&#8217;s &#187; Sociological Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 17:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] figures (here and here), male-default avatars, flesh-colored products, for normal to darker skin, Michelle Obama&#8217;s &#8220;flesh-colored&#8221; gown.      var object = SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title:&#039;Women Can Wear Men&#8217;s Shirts, but Men Cannot [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] figures (here and here), male-default avatars, flesh-colored products, for normal to darker skin, Michelle Obama&#8217;s &#8220;flesh-colored&#8221; gown.      var object = SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title:&#039;Women Can Wear Men&#8217;s Shirts, but Men Cannot [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Amir Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amir Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 03:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The track reminds me of another song which I very much enjoyed hearing ... I can&#039;t recall which one is it :-\ anybody know which artist I&#039;m talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The track reminds me of another song which I very much enjoyed hearing &#8230; I can&#8217;t recall which one is it :-\ anybody know which artist I&#8217;m talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Normal&#8221; vs. Abnormal Hair and Skin &#187; Sociological Images</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/27/stunning-example-of-the-neutrality-of-whiteness/comment-page-1/#comment-298642</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Normal&#8221; vs. Abnormal Hair and Skin &#187; Sociological Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 07:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and people of color as deviant (or, if we measure by Vidal Sassoon, non-existent), see our posts on Michelle Obama&#8217;s &#8220;flesh-colored&#8221; gown, Johnson&#8217;s lotion for &#8220;normal to darker skin,&#8221; bandaids and other [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and people of color as deviant (or, if we measure by Vidal Sassoon, non-existent), see our posts on Michelle Obama&#8217;s &#8220;flesh-colored&#8221; gown, Johnson&#8217;s lotion for &#8220;normal to darker skin,&#8221; bandaids and other [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Color-Assisted Medical Diagnosis: For White People Only &#187; Sociological Images</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/27/stunning-example-of-the-neutrality-of-whiteness/comment-page-1/#comment-291335</link>
		<dc:creator>Color-Assisted Medical Diagnosis: For White People Only &#187; Sociological Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 16:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also our posts on “flesh-colored,” Michelle Obama&#8217;s &#8220;nude&#8221; colored dress, the new in-color, and this post on lotion for “normal to darker skin.”  var addthis_language = [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] also our posts on “flesh-colored,” Michelle Obama&#8217;s &#8220;nude&#8221; colored dress, the new in-color, and this post on lotion for “normal to darker skin.”  var addthis_language = [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Links of Great Interest 12/4/09 &#124; The Hathor Legacy</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/27/stunning-example-of-the-neutrality-of-whiteness/comment-page-1/#comment-264048</link>
		<dc:creator>Links of Great Interest 12/4/09 &#124; The Hathor Legacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 19:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What color is Michelle Obama&#8217;s flesh-colored dress? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nude&#8217;s new color &#171; Spietrus&#39;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/27/stunning-example-of-the-neutrality-of-whiteness/comment-page-1/#comment-259847</link>
		<dc:creator>Nude&#8217;s new color &#171; Spietrus&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/27/stunning-example-of-the-neutrality-of-whiteness/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/27/stunning-example-of-the-neutrality-of-whiteness/" rel="nofollow">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/27/stunning-example-of-the-neutrality-of-whiteness/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Plain &#8216;Ol and African American Brides and Grooms &#187; Sociological Images</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/27/stunning-example-of-the-neutrality-of-whiteness/comment-page-1/#comment-250848</link>
		<dc:creator>Plain &#8216;Ol and African American Brides and Grooms &#187; Sociological Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] see our two posts on recent descriptions of beige as &#8220;flesh-colored&#8221; (featuring Michelle Obama and Beyonce et al.) and our posts on bandaids and other “flesh-colored” items and lotion for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] see our two posts on recent descriptions of beige as &#8220;flesh-colored&#8221; (featuring Michelle Obama and Beyonce et al.) and our posts on bandaids and other “flesh-colored” items and lotion for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woah. First off, unlike the blog&#039;s author, I am black. You could say I&#039;m derailing the author&#039;s rant by expanding the topic to include myself, but in the contexts of your remarks this is quite relevant. The fact is, your racially-charged assumptions about my character and intentions are FAR more offensive to me than some naive journalist&#039;s idea about what color a dress is.

But perhaps in your world, an abstract slight to a theoretical group is a greater offense than a false accusation (in this case, the intention to reframe a discussion to advance a racist agenda) against a real person. This is not necessarily true for all people who belong to the minorities you claim to defend.

Secondly, I think you&#039;ve completely misinterpreted my comment. From my point of view, it&#039;s absurd that the columnist called the dress flesh-colored because it&#039;s not even the &quot;white-people&#039;s-skin&quot; color that often gets this inappropriate label, but rather a very pale gold (&quot;champagne&quot;) tone that doesn&#039;t occur naturally in just about any skin I&#039;ve seen. If the discussion is on the use of a single word in conjunction with an image, then the meaning of that word and its relevance to the image are at least worthy of mention. As far as I can tell, my remark did not preclude anyone from also discussing racism. This is, after all, an open forum and not a single-track discussion that must be moved toward a single consensus.

Finally, there are other viewpoints you&#039;re free to consider regarding the Oscar trivia discussion you overheard. The first speaker, based on somewhat incomplete information (only 6 Oscars for Best Song have gone to black artists, as opposed to 15 acting awards), made an emotional and personal assumption that something is &quot;awful.&quot; The other person had a different qualitative judgment of the awfulness of this thing, based on his opinion that the awards are rubbish (an opinion shared by many people of color). So far, both have simply expressed their individual feelings about something that - unless they&#039;re in the film industry - doesn&#039;t really affect their quality of life much.

Now, the &quot;white guy&quot; (whose opinion is no less valid just because of his race) could have instead followed up with a comment about how institutional racism has prevented black artists and technicians from getting opportunities to work on the kind of films that Academy voters like, or how virtually every minority group, as well as women, are also underrepresented in the industry and its awards. And he would&#039;ve been had a much stronger point than she did. But by your definition, he would&#039;ve still been expanding the topic to include variables beyond what the woman wished to complain about, thus &quot;derailing&quot; the dialogue that she may have intended to start.

But hey, since when did a good discussion ever sound like an echo chamber?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woah. First off, unlike the blog&#8217;s author, I am black. You could say I&#8217;m derailing the author&#8217;s rant by expanding the topic to include myself, but in the contexts of your remarks this is quite relevant. The fact is, your racially-charged assumptions about my character and intentions are FAR more offensive to me than some naive journalist&#8217;s idea about what color a dress is.</p>
<p>But perhaps in your world, an abstract slight to a theoretical group is a greater offense than a false accusation (in this case, the intention to reframe a discussion to advance a racist agenda) against a real person. This is not necessarily true for all people who belong to the minorities you claim to defend.</p>
<p>Secondly, I think you&#8217;ve completely misinterpreted my comment. From my point of view, it&#8217;s absurd that the columnist called the dress flesh-colored because it&#8217;s not even the &#8220;white-people&#8217;s-skin&#8221; color that often gets this inappropriate label, but rather a very pale gold (&#8220;champagne&#8221;) tone that doesn&#8217;t occur naturally in just about any skin I&#8217;ve seen. If the discussion is on the use of a single word in conjunction with an image, then the meaning of that word and its relevance to the image are at least worthy of mention. As far as I can tell, my remark did not preclude anyone from also discussing racism. This is, after all, an open forum and not a single-track discussion that must be moved toward a single consensus.</p>
<p>Finally, there are other viewpoints you&#8217;re free to consider regarding the Oscar trivia discussion you overheard. The first speaker, based on somewhat incomplete information (only 6 Oscars for Best Song have gone to black artists, as opposed to 15 acting awards), made an emotional and personal assumption that something is &#8220;awful.&#8221; The other person had a different qualitative judgment of the awfulness of this thing, based on his opinion that the awards are rubbish (an opinion shared by many people of color). So far, both have simply expressed their individual feelings about something that &#8211; unless they&#8217;re in the film industry &#8211; doesn&#8217;t really affect their quality of life much.</p>
<p>Now, the &#8220;white guy&#8221; (whose opinion is no less valid just because of his race) could have instead followed up with a comment about how institutional racism has prevented black artists and technicians from getting opportunities to work on the kind of films that Academy voters like, or how virtually every minority group, as well as women, are also underrepresented in the industry and its awards. And he would&#8217;ve been had a much stronger point than she did. But by your definition, he would&#8217;ve still been expanding the topic to include variables beyond what the woman wished to complain about, thus &#8220;derailing&#8221; the dialogue that she may have intended to start.</p>
<p>But hey, since when did a good discussion ever sound like an echo chamber?</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s plenty to object to. Andrew is doing the (very common) practice of expanding a topic so that the subject of race is no longer relevant. 

Author: calling Michelle Obama&#039;s dress flesh coloured is racist.
Andrew: Ah, but is ANYONE&#039;S flesh really that colour? I&#039;ve never seen flesh that colour - if anyone had that colour skin, they would be ill!

It&#039;s a way of derailing discussions about racism. 

I heard a similar discussion recently about the Oscars.

Woman of colour: It&#039;s awful how few people of colour have won anything in the Oscars apart from the best song award.
White man: Well, I hate the Oscars anyway, I&#039;ve always thought they were rubbish.

Once again, discussion of racism derailed so that whites can avoid talking about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s plenty to object to. Andrew is doing the (very common) practice of expanding a topic so that the subject of race is no longer relevant. </p>
<p>Author: calling Michelle Obama&#8217;s dress flesh coloured is racist.<br />
Andrew: Ah, but is ANYONE&#8217;S flesh really that colour? I&#8217;ve never seen flesh that colour &#8211; if anyone had that colour skin, they would be ill!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a way of derailing discussions about racism. </p>
<p>I heard a similar discussion recently about the Oscars.</p>
<p>Woman of colour: It&#8217;s awful how few people of colour have won anything in the Oscars apart from the best song award.<br />
White man: Well, I hate the Oscars anyway, I&#8217;ve always thought they were rubbish.</p>
<p>Once again, discussion of racism derailed so that whites can avoid talking about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Georgia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, I saw a caption on a photo of Venus Williams at the Australian Open wearing shorts that very closely matched her skin tone, and the caption called them flesh-colored. The fact that it made me do a double take just shows how ingrained the association flesh = white skin tone is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, I saw a caption on a photo of Venus Williams at the Australian Open wearing shorts that very closely matched her skin tone, and the caption called them flesh-colored. The fact that it made me do a double take just shows how ingrained the association flesh = white skin tone is.</p>
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		<title>By: Fashion World Still Clueless About What Naked Non-White People Look Like &#187; Sociological Images</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fashion World Still Clueless About What Naked Non-White People Look Like &#187; Sociological Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] thought Samatha Critchell&#8217;s description of Michelle Obama&#8217;s light tan or &#8220;champagne&#8221; dress as &#8220;flesh co... might get her fired.  If nothing else, I figured it&#8217;d be warning to all other journalists [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] thought Samatha Critchell&#8217;s description of Michelle Obama&#8217;s light tan or &#8220;champagne&#8221; dress as &#8220;flesh co&#8230; might get her fired.  If nothing else, I figured it&#8217;d be warning to all other journalists [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, what are you trying to say? You mean flesh = meat? Then &quot;flesh colored&quot; is a misnomer, since it&#039;s not bloody or dark pink enough for any type of meat, even too rosy for chicken breasts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, what are you trying to say? You mean flesh = meat? Then &#8220;flesh colored&#8221; is a misnomer, since it&#8217;s not bloody or dark pink enough for any type of meat, even too rosy for chicken breasts.</p>
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