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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/23/mixed-messages-about-the-pressure-to-be-thin/comment-page-1/#comment-161533</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is ridiculous. You cannot use Daul&#039;s suicide as a means to a political platform.  We, the world, have no idea why she committed suicide, but it was CLEAR from her video blogs and coverage that she took the time to eat, and cared about her health.  Yes women are expected to be thin--and some women really are thin and should not be punished for being who they are.  It is horrifying to manipulate her suicide to further some cliche notion or ab absolutist political campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is ridiculous. You cannot use Daul&#8217;s suicide as a means to a political platform.  We, the world, have no idea why she committed suicide, but it was CLEAR from her video blogs and coverage that she took the time to eat, and cared about her health.  Yes women are expected to be thin&#8211;and some women really are thin and should not be punished for being who they are.  It is horrifying to manipulate her suicide to further some cliche notion or ab absolutist political campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Daul&#8217;s Death: A Sense of Perspective &#171; The Grand Narrative</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/23/mixed-messages-about-the-pressure-to-be-thin/comment-page-1/#comment-149896</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Daul&#8217;s Death: A Sense of Perspective &#171; The Grand Narrative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Interesting commentary at Sociological Images about a news story that mentions that &#8220;her blog contained many posts about the pressure and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MeToo</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/23/mixed-messages-about-the-pressure-to-be-thin/comment-page-1/#comment-149239</link>
		<dc:creator>MeToo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure of Daul&#039;s circumstances. However, it&#039;s worth noting that the sort of chronic food restriction that many models engage in is definitely linked with depression -- maintaining adequate nutrient levels in the body is crucial for mental health and depression-prevention/treatment. Also, weight loss, a common goal of models, is associated with a higher incidence of depression, regardless of the manner of weight loss or the final weight range into which the weight-loser falls. While these things may or may not apply to Daul, criticism of expectations regarding models&#039; body size and prevention of depression are not unconnected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure of Daul&#8217;s circumstances. However, it&#8217;s worth noting that the sort of chronic food restriction that many models engage in is definitely linked with depression &#8212; maintaining adequate nutrient levels in the body is crucial for mental health and depression-prevention/treatment. Also, weight loss, a common goal of models, is associated with a higher incidence of depression, regardless of the manner of weight loss or the final weight range into which the weight-loser falls. While these things may or may not apply to Daul, criticism of expectations regarding models&#8217; body size and prevention of depression are not unconnected.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/23/mixed-messages-about-the-pressure-to-be-thin/comment-page-1/#comment-149196</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been following some online communities who have been posting tributes to Daul that include a lot of Daul&#039;s interviews, blog entries, etc. Someone can correct me if I&#039;m wrong, and I very may well be, but I don&#039;t recall Daul ever saying anything about the pressure to be thin, or feeling such pressure herself. 

If Daul was under pressure for the other things that a model may be under pressure for (and there are surely plenty, such as being away from family and friends, meeting unreasonable deadlines, compromising personal values to book a job, etc), then there are no mixed messages and there is no irony in that screencap of the Times Online. 

It seems to me that Daul had severe depression, and I think acknowledgement of that and taking the opportunity to increase awareness of depression is being side-lined here in favour of making another criticism of the size of models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been following some online communities who have been posting tributes to Daul that include a lot of Daul&#8217;s interviews, blog entries, etc. Someone can correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, and I very may well be, but I don&#8217;t recall Daul ever saying anything about the pressure to be thin, or feeling such pressure herself. </p>
<p>If Daul was under pressure for the other things that a model may be under pressure for (and there are surely plenty, such as being away from family and friends, meeting unreasonable deadlines, compromising personal values to book a job, etc), then there are no mixed messages and there is no irony in that screencap of the Times Online. </p>
<p>It seems to me that Daul had severe depression, and I think acknowledgement of that and taking the opportunity to increase awareness of depression is being side-lined here in favour of making another criticism of the size of models.</p>
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		<title>By: karinova</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/23/mixed-messages-about-the-pressure-to-be-thin/comment-page-1/#comment-149102</link>
		<dc:creator>karinova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard that.
As a former &quot;analog&quot; copy editor, I can tell you: The rules of paper copy editing do not apply on the internet. No. Let me rephrase that: the rules &lt;i&gt;are not&lt;/i&gt; applied on the internet. I see catastrophically mismatched content and advertising &lt;i&gt;all the time.&lt;/i&gt; Apparently nobody cares, presumably because &quot;it doesn&#039;t last.&quot;

Y&#039;know, except in people&#039;s minds.
As if that doesn&#039;t matter! What it puts in people&#039;s minds, hopefully to lodge there forever, &lt;i&gt;is the whole point!&lt;/i&gt; That&#039;s why the writer wrote it. I mean, if you don&#039;t care about &lt;i&gt;that,&lt;/i&gt; you might as well just get a computer to do that jo... oh. Right.

Not to sound like a Luddite, but sometimes I lament what the internet has done to the typo-visual arts. I live in a techy area, and it seems like the place is lousy with &quot;graphic designers&quot; working on web stuff, yet most of the web looks, and functions, like crap. The way I learned it... that entire page is a &lt;i&gt;functional&lt;/i&gt; failure. (And as a side note: it also looks like crap.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard that.<br />
As a former &#8220;analog&#8221; copy editor, I can tell you: The rules of paper copy editing do not apply on the internet. No. Let me rephrase that: the rules <i>are not</i> applied on the internet. I see catastrophically mismatched content and advertising <i>all the time.</i> Apparently nobody cares, presumably because &#8220;it doesn&#8217;t last.&#8221;</p>
<p>Y&#8217;know, except in people&#8217;s minds.<br />
As if that doesn&#8217;t matter! What it puts in people&#8217;s minds, hopefully to lodge there forever, <i>is the whole point!</i> That&#8217;s why the writer wrote it. I mean, if you don&#8217;t care about <i>that,</i> you might as well just get a computer to do that jo&#8230; oh. Right.</p>
<p>Not to sound like a Luddite, but sometimes I lament what the internet has done to the typo-visual arts. I live in a techy area, and it seems like the place is lousy with &#8220;graphic designers&#8221; working on web stuff, yet most of the web looks, and functions, like crap. The way I learned it&#8230; that entire page is a <i>functional</i> failure. (And as a side note: it also looks like crap.)<br />
/rant</p>
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		<title>By: Reblog Mixed Messages: Gender, fashion, advertising&#8230; sigh &#171; Mulberries and Dew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reblog Mixed Messages: Gender, fashion, advertising&#8230; sigh &#171; Mulberries and Dew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/23/mixed-messages-about-the-pressure-to-be-thin/comment-page-1/#comment-148848</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like this is more an example of recklessly daft copy editing to me. Gwen remarks that the advertisements undermine the content of the article, but by the same token the article&#039;s content also undermines the ads. That&#039;s considered quite embarrassing to both parties. And it&#039;s not like those ads-disguised-as-content needed any help looking sleazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like this is more an example of recklessly daft copy editing to me. Gwen remarks that the advertisements undermine the content of the article, but by the same token the article&#8217;s content also undermines the ads. That&#8217;s considered quite embarrassing to both parties. And it&#8217;s not like those ads-disguised-as-content needed any help looking sleazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Fembot</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/23/mixed-messages-about-the-pressure-to-be-thin/comment-page-1/#comment-148822</link>
		<dc:creator>Fembot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the same observation I make whenever a women&#039;s magazine does a piece about size acceptance...and two pages later features some model airbrushed within an inch of her life selling you shaving cream. What the?  Seriously?

Make no mistake that these companies have total control over the advertisements that are placed within their pages and on their websites.  The mixed-message of &quot;big is beautiful&quot; but &quot;thin people sell more stuff!&quot; is so aggravating that you have to wonder if these people even GET it.

I&#039;m sure they do, which is the sick part.  But as long as the media comes out with its once-or-twice a year, thin-brandishing article the executives feel like they&#039;ve done a social service to all the self-hating fatties who were, undoubtedly, sticking their fingers down their throat mere moments before a magazine told them, &quot;It&#039;s ok to be you!&quot; 

But once all the warm fuzzies have dissipated, keep on reading so you can learn how to &quot;Lose a dress size in a week.&quot;  Cause self-esteem is nice and all, but these people have magazines to sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the same observation I make whenever a women&#8217;s magazine does a piece about size acceptance&#8230;and two pages later features some model airbrushed within an inch of her life selling you shaving cream. What the?  Seriously?</p>
<p>Make no mistake that these companies have total control over the advertisements that are placed within their pages and on their websites.  The mixed-message of &#8220;big is beautiful&#8221; but &#8220;thin people sell more stuff!&#8221; is so aggravating that you have to wonder if these people even GET it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure they do, which is the sick part.  But as long as the media comes out with its once-or-twice a year, thin-brandishing article the executives feel like they&#8217;ve done a social service to all the self-hating fatties who were, undoubtedly, sticking their fingers down their throat mere moments before a magazine told them, &#8220;It&#8217;s ok to be you!&#8221; </p>
<p>But once all the warm fuzzies have dissipated, keep on reading so you can learn how to &#8220;Lose a dress size in a week.&#8221;  Cause self-esteem is nice and all, but these people have magazines to sell.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/23/mixed-messages-about-the-pressure-to-be-thin/comment-page-1/#comment-148795</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I guess women don&#039;t read Times Online, not even human interest storied about other women.  The ads are all male targeted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I guess women don&#8217;t read Times Online, not even human interest storied about other women.  The ads are all male targeted.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/23/mixed-messages-about-the-pressure-to-be-thin/comment-page-1/#comment-148745</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I became remarkably sad after reading this post.  It&#039;s really unfortunate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I became remarkably sad after reading this post.  It&#8217;s really unfortunate.</p>
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		<title>By: KD</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/23/mixed-messages-about-the-pressure-to-be-thin/comment-page-1/#comment-148682</link>
		<dc:creator>KD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Women are sexy, thin, mostly naked playthings for you to dress up and play with at will.&quot;

And dressed in expensive garbage, at that. A bauble is, by definition, a trivial, showy piece of junk with no real value. It&#039;s a trivializing, demeaning term for their own product, and a nonsensical one, considering their &quot;baubles&quot; are going for thousands of dollars. Either the advertisers are lacking a grasp of basic vocabulary, or they&#039;re openly acknowledging that women would be happy with bubble gum rings, as long as they were shiny and cost a few month&#039;s salary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Women are sexy, thin, mostly naked playthings for you to dress up and play with at will.&#8221;</p>
<p>And dressed in expensive garbage, at that. A bauble is, by definition, a trivial, showy piece of junk with no real value. It&#8217;s a trivializing, demeaning term for their own product, and a nonsensical one, considering their &#8220;baubles&#8221; are going for thousands of dollars. Either the advertisers are lacking a grasp of basic vocabulary, or they&#8217;re openly acknowledging that women would be happy with bubble gum rings, as long as they were shiny and cost a few month&#8217;s salary.</p>
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