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		<title>By: Elena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;although we sometimes include islands within the broader definition of some continent for convenience’s sake&lt;/i&gt;

My point exactly :P

Strictly speaking, Europe, Asia and Africa are one big landmass, and so do the three Americas. The lines between them are arbitrary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>although we sometimes include islands within the broader definition of some continent for convenience’s sake</i></p>
<p>My point exactly :P</p>
<p>Strictly speaking, Europe, Asia and Africa are one big landmass, and so do the three Americas. The lines between them are arbitrary.</p>
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		<title>By: Dubi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dubi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elena - the Middle East is not a continent, nor is any island (although we sometimes include islands within the broader definition of some continent for convenience&#039;s sake). While I could agree that the exact borders might be up for discussion (there are tectonic plates to settle that argument, mind you), saying that Africa in general can&#039;t be said to be geographically distinct from Eurasia is ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elena &#8211; the Middle East is not a continent, nor is any island (although we sometimes include islands within the broader definition of some continent for convenience&#8217;s sake). While I could agree that the exact borders might be up for discussion (there are tectonic plates to settle that argument, mind you), saying that Africa in general can&#8217;t be said to be geographically distinct from Eurasia is ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Continents are socially created? How?&lt;/i&gt;

There is nothing objective about drawing lines along the Urals between Europe and Asia, or deciding whether Africa ends this side of that side of the Sinai Peninsula. There is nothing obvious to differentiate the Near East from the Middle East, and nowadays many countries formerly in the Near East are lumped in the Middle East in popular culture. The boundary between North America and Central America is similarly vague. Drawing an arbitrary line between islands to locate some in Asia and some in Oceania is equally artificial. And so on.

(Not to talk about how so many denominations, like Near/Middle East, the Orient or the West are plainly eurocentric, even if they come from Antiquity)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Continents are socially created? How?</i></p>
<p>There is nothing objective about drawing lines along the Urals between Europe and Asia, or deciding whether Africa ends this side of that side of the Sinai Peninsula. There is nothing obvious to differentiate the Near East from the Middle East, and nowadays many countries formerly in the Near East are lumped in the Middle East in popular culture. The boundary between North America and Central America is similarly vague. Drawing an arbitrary line between islands to locate some in Asia and some in Oceania is equally artificial. And so on.</p>
<p>(Not to talk about how so many denominations, like Near/Middle East, the Orient or the West are plainly eurocentric, even if they come from Antiquity)</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know terribly much about Rimbaud, Lacan, Nietzsche, and Saussure. But as far as I can recall, they&#039;d disagree with the statement, &quot;But that doesn’t mean that anything we can say USING language is a construct as well.&quot;

All words and all definitions are social constructs. They&#039;re real as words and definitions, but they&#039;re not real as the things they refer to. An illustration of this is the painting, &quot;This is not a pipe.&quot; (It&#039;s not a pipe; it&#039;s a painting.)


The quote below is from Nietzsche&#039;s &quot;On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense.&quot; I&#039;m nerding out here, but it&#039;s a great essay that I really think everyone should read.

&quot;Every word immediately becomes a concept, inasmuch as it is not intended to serve as a reminder of the unique and wholly individualized original experience to which it owes its birth, but must at the same time fit innumerable, more or less similar cases—which means, strictly speaking, never equal—in other words, a lot of unequal cases. Every concept originates through our equating what is unequal.&quot;

In other words, humans make up words and attach them to categories that exist not in the world, but in the minds of humans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know terribly much about Rimbaud, Lacan, Nietzsche, and Saussure. But as far as I can recall, they&#8217;d disagree with the statement, &#8220;But that doesn’t mean that anything we can say USING language is a construct as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>All words and all definitions are social constructs. They&#8217;re real as words and definitions, but they&#8217;re not real as the things they refer to. An illustration of this is the painting, &#8220;This is not a pipe.&#8221; (It&#8217;s not a pipe; it&#8217;s a painting.)</p>
<p>The quote below is from Nietzsche&#8217;s &#8220;On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense.&#8221; I&#8217;m nerding out here, but it&#8217;s a great essay that I really think everyone should read.</p>
<p>&#8220;Every word immediately becomes a concept, inasmuch as it is not intended to serve as a reminder of the unique and wholly individualized original experience to which it owes its birth, but must at the same time fit innumerable, more or less similar cases—which means, strictly speaking, never equal—in other words, a lot of unequal cases. Every concept originates through our equating what is unequal.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, humans make up words and attach them to categories that exist not in the world, but in the minds of humans.</p>
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		<title>By: adilegian</title>
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		<dc:creator>adilegian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, it&#039;s worth pointing out that the social aspect of humanity is entirely dependent upon language in order to be possible at all. The use of language is, perhaps, one of the ultimate social constructs. Social needs lead to the construction of language, and language leads to the construction of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, it&#8217;s worth pointing out that the social aspect of humanity is entirely dependent upon language in order to be possible at all. The use of language is, perhaps, one of the ultimate social constructs. Social needs lead to the construction of language, and language leads to the construction of society.</p>
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		<title>By: adilegian</title>
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		<dc:creator>adilegian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recognizing the constructed nature of language doesn&#039;t make it meaningless. It forces us to think more critically about what we communicate to other with language as well as what&#039;s communicated to us.

Comprehending the difficulty of meaning does not automatically mean that meaning doesn&#039;t exist. It just recognizes (correctly) that meaning has to be earned more than received.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recognizing the constructed nature of language doesn&#8217;t make it meaningless. It forces us to think more critically about what we communicate to other with language as well as what&#8217;s communicated to us.</p>
<p>Comprehending the difficulty of meaning does not automatically mean that meaning doesn&#8217;t exist. It just recognizes (correctly) that meaning has to be earned more than received.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This point deserves to be highlighted. I instantly thought of the &quot;Nigerian scam&quot; email meme when the Lagos caption came onscreen just after the image of a web transaction.

The race and class undertones were certainly uncomfortable, but of course an ad for a security product is supposed to trigger feelings of visceral discomfort. That&#039;s what makes you want the product in the first place.

I&#039;d be interested to hear Lisa elaborate on this part, though: 

&quot;the idea that Nigeria...is corrupt is a powerful and ubiquitous social construction&quot;

Before that surreal discussion about continents in the thread below, there was a very sensible point about the fact that a wide range of experts perceive Nigeria to be among the world&#039;s most politically corrupt countries based on actual evidence. And in its company do happen to be the majority of African nations. 

I think a lot of explanations for *why* so much of Africa is awash in corruption are racist, historically illiterate, or outright wrong. But I don&#039;t think we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater here. We don&#039;t have to deny the fact of widespread corruption in Nigeria to refute notions like Nigerian people themselves are inherently untrustworthy, or that African society is monolithic.

Otherwise, I have to ask...what do you do with the facts when they support a social construct you dislike?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This point deserves to be highlighted. I instantly thought of the &#8220;Nigerian scam&#8221; email meme when the Lagos caption came onscreen just after the image of a web transaction.</p>
<p>The race and class undertones were certainly uncomfortable, but of course an ad for a security product is supposed to trigger feelings of visceral discomfort. That&#8217;s what makes you want the product in the first place.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to hear Lisa elaborate on this part, though: </p>
<p>&#8220;the idea that Nigeria&#8230;is corrupt is a powerful and ubiquitous social construction&#8221;</p>
<p>Before that surreal discussion about continents in the thread below, there was a very sensible point about the fact that a wide range of experts perceive Nigeria to be among the world&#8217;s most politically corrupt countries based on actual evidence. And in its company do happen to be the majority of African nations. </p>
<p>I think a lot of explanations for *why* so much of Africa is awash in corruption are racist, historically illiterate, or outright wrong. But I don&#8217;t think we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater here. We don&#8217;t have to deny the fact of widespread corruption in Nigeria to refute notions like Nigerian people themselves are inherently untrustworthy, or that African society is monolithic.</p>
<p>Otherwise, I have to ask&#8230;what do you do with the facts when they support a social construct you dislike?</p>
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		<title>By: Talinka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Talinka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The concept of continent is indeed up for discussion. A continent is a social division, thus a human invention and as such, is subjected to change. 

The notion of Africa has not always been like it is today, the colonial map of Africa was quite different (many African countries are litteraly invented by European colonizers), and today you have a division between Northern Africa and sub-Sahara Africa based mainly (if not solely) on culture and social differences. It&#039;s also an ongoing discussion if Egypt belong to Africa, Middle East or both. 

A landmass is just there. A continent is a social response to geography as well as to culture, history and social organization.

More importanly, when a continent is mentioned, most people do not immediatly think of rivers, mountains or forests - they think of the people living there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concept of continent is indeed up for discussion. A continent is a social division, thus a human invention and as such, is subjected to change. </p>
<p>The notion of Africa has not always been like it is today, the colonial map of Africa was quite different (many African countries are litteraly invented by European colonizers), and today you have a division between Northern Africa and sub-Sahara Africa based mainly (if not solely) on culture and social differences. It&#8217;s also an ongoing discussion if Egypt belong to Africa, Middle East or both. </p>
<p>A landmass is just there. A continent is a social response to geography as well as to culture, history and social organization.</p>
<p>More importanly, when a continent is mentioned, most people do not immediatly think of rivers, mountains or forests &#8211; they think of the people living there.</p>
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		<title>By: nomadologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>nomadologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, after thinking about it for a minute I agree.  Unfortunately, I did the thinking part after I submitted my original comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, after thinking about it for a minute I agree.  Unfortunately, I did the thinking part after I submitted my original comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Dubi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dubi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course language is a construct, it wasn&#039;t a great discovery. But that doesn&#039;t mean that anything we can say USING language is a construct as well. That just makes it meaningless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course language is a construct, it wasn&#8217;t a great discovery. But that doesn&#8217;t mean that anything we can say USING language is a construct as well. That just makes it meaningless.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, language is a social construct. Well done! You&#039;re catching on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, language is a social construct. Well done! You&#8217;re catching on!</p>
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		<title>By: Lazercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m aware of the possibility that this could be referring to the Nigerian scam-artist phenomenon (which does exist).  However, I&#039;m pretty sure they could have indicated that without blatantly resorting to the classic colonialist narrative - the innocent white woman being tricked/violated by the dark, dirty savage (because heaven forbid our identity end up in *their* hands!!!).  Whatever its intended message, I think the commercial was just done in very poor taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m aware of the possibility that this could be referring to the Nigerian scam-artist phenomenon (which does exist).  However, I&#8217;m pretty sure they could have indicated that without blatantly resorting to the classic colonialist narrative &#8211; the innocent white woman being tricked/violated by the dark, dirty savage (because heaven forbid our identity end up in *their* hands!!!).  Whatever its intended message, I think the commercial was just done in very poor taste.</p>
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		<title>By: nomadologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>nomadologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To amend the first part of my comment: the commercial could also be upholding all of those stereotypical assumptions about Nigeria and &quot;Africa&quot; in general, but then saying that our service will help you make legitimate transactions even in Nigeria, the fabled land of Internet scammers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To amend the first part of my comment: the commercial could also be upholding all of those stereotypical assumptions about Nigeria and &#8220;Africa&#8221; in general, but then saying that our service will help you make legitimate transactions even in Nigeria, the fabled land of Internet scammers.</p>
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		<title>By: nomadologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>nomadologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this commercial as sort of subverting those fears of &quot;Nigeria&quot;/&quot;Africa&quot; as a corrupt place full of shady characters.  The ad starts with a woman buying a pair of shoes on the Internet.  &quot;Wondering where your identity goes?&quot;  It goes to Nigeria, this ad says, and we&#039;re primed to believed that this is one of those famous Nigerian scammers writing down your credit card information.  He then hands it to a kid who gets on a moped (isn&#039;t Africa craaaazy!?) who takes it into a shop.  What does the man behind the counter give the child?

The pair of shoes that the woman bought!  So it turns out to be a legitimate business (legitimate in the sense that the characters in the commercial weren&#039;t plucking her information out of cyberspace, but fulfilling the transaction she began).  So we&#039;re set up to look at Nigeria as this shady place, but in the end they&#039;re just doing business.  She has whatever service this ad is selling, so she knew she could trust these guys, even though the idea of Nigeria might seem scary or untrustworthy to her.

This is problematic in another way, of course, this notion of friendly globalization that shows a middle-class white woman buying shoes from the small businessmen of Nigeria; we don&#039;t see images of how the shoes were made in the first place, for instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this commercial as sort of subverting those fears of &#8220;Nigeria&#8221;/&#8221;Africa&#8221; as a corrupt place full of shady characters.  The ad starts with a woman buying a pair of shoes on the Internet.  &#8220;Wondering where your identity goes?&#8221;  It goes to Nigeria, this ad says, and we&#8217;re primed to believed that this is one of those famous Nigerian scammers writing down your credit card information.  He then hands it to a kid who gets on a moped (isn&#8217;t Africa craaaazy!?) who takes it into a shop.  What does the man behind the counter give the child?</p>
<p>The pair of shoes that the woman bought!  So it turns out to be a legitimate business (legitimate in the sense that the characters in the commercial weren&#8217;t plucking her information out of cyberspace, but fulfilling the transaction she began).  So we&#8217;re set up to look at Nigeria as this shady place, but in the end they&#8217;re just doing business.  She has whatever service this ad is selling, so she knew she could trust these guys, even though the idea of Nigeria might seem scary or untrustworthy to her.</p>
<p>This is problematic in another way, of course, this notion of friendly globalization that shows a middle-class white woman buying shoes from the small businessmen of Nigeria; we don&#8217;t see images of how the shoes were made in the first place, for instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Sj Cottrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sj Cottrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first thought was actually about gender.  The woman ordering is the only woman in the comercial.  So, it&#039;s sort of a double whammy.  Trusting, sweet white woman vs. possibly scary dark men.  Heck, even the runner and the person who pushes open the door are male.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first thought was actually about gender.  The woman ordering is the only woman in the comercial.  So, it&#8217;s sort of a double whammy.  Trusting, sweet white woman vs. possibly scary dark men.  Heck, even the runner and the person who pushes open the door are male.</p>
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