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		<title>By: d</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/21/lingerie-as-liberating/comment-page-1/#comment-309967</link>
		<dc:creator>d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 05:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know commercials are fantasies. But I do remember watching a show (No Reservations with Anthony Bourdain, the Saudi Arabia episode) where there were all this stores of Western clothing in the mall. Danya Alhamrani, Tony&#039;s guide, said women wear those clothes under their burkhas. I don&#039;t think this add is so crazy then.

But I do think that wearing a bra is oppresive. If you go outside bra-less, you receive disgusted looks. Maybe we should think about this before pointing fingers at the Middle East.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know commercials are fantasies. But I do remember watching a show (No Reservations with Anthony Bourdain, the Saudi Arabia episode) where there were all this stores of Western clothing in the mall. Danya Alhamrani, Tony&#8217;s guide, said women wear those clothes under their burkhas. I don&#8217;t think this add is so crazy then.</p>
<p>But I do think that wearing a bra is oppresive. If you go outside bra-less, you receive disgusted looks. Maybe we should think about this before pointing fingers at the Middle East.</p>
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		<title>By: Does Discussing Hijab Prevent or Perpetuate Islamophobia? &#171; SarahKleinWrites</title>
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		<dc:creator>Does Discussing Hijab Prevent or Perpetuate Islamophobia? &#171; SarahKleinWrites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This lingerie commercial was disparaged as &#8220;capitaliz[ing] on the idea that preparing oneself for the male gaze is, in fact, liberating (even if no man will see you)&#8221; on Sociological Images. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This lingerie commercial was disparaged as &#8220;capitaliz[ing] on the idea that preparing oneself for the male gaze is, in fact, liberating (even if no man will see you)&#8221; on Sociological Images. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Because I&#8217;m a sucker for controversy&#8230; &#171; SON OF A DUCK</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/21/lingerie-as-liberating/comment-page-1/#comment-212683</link>
		<dc:creator>Because I&#8217;m a sucker for controversy&#8230; &#171; SON OF A DUCK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Lingerie as Liberating&#8221;: advertisement for a German lingerie commercial: woman admires herself in her unmentionables, only to cover herself up. The woman dresses up in lingerie, admiring herself, only to cover up in a burka.  But she is still “hot” underneath, affirming the idea that looking “hot” is what makes women both happy and liberated.  The idea that a woman might want to be FREE from capitulating to the male gaze (even if just an imagined one) is left unexplored. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Lingerie as Liberating&#8221;: advertisement for a German lingerie commercial: woman admires herself in her unmentionables, only to cover herself up. The woman dresses up in lingerie, admiring herself, only to cover up in a burka.  But she is still “hot” underneath, affirming the idea that looking “hot” is what makes women both happy and liberated.  The idea that a woman might want to be FREE from capitulating to the male gaze (even if just an imagined one) is left unexplored. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bernie</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/21/lingerie-as-liberating/comment-page-1/#comment-162369</link>
		<dc:creator>bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are mistaken Jillian, I have lived with a family for two years in the middle east where the mother and daughter were quite brainwashed regarding their clothing.  I assume that you live in America where the muhajibeen you&#039;ve met wear what they do because they want to.  Sadly, if this is the extent of your experience with women wearing a hijab then you are living under a delusion.

For example, I have met Muslim converts in America that say they know of Muslims who have converted to Christianity and were not killed or forced to renounce their conversion.  Yes, this is true.  In America, a Muslim can convert without worrying about being killed for apostasy.  However, let him try that in a Muslim country.

The same goes for Muslim women in America.  Rarely are they killed for not dressing in full hijab although there are still examples in the news about fathers killing their daughters for wearing tight jeans.  However, in Muslim countries, daughters who break the dress code and dishonor their families are indeed killed.  The UN says there are more than 5,000 reported honor killings each year.

So people like you, who only know Muslims in America, are not getting the full picture.  The same muhajiba in America who voluntarily (and stupidly not realizing what she is doing) wears the hijab, certainly would have no choice in how she dresses in countries under Shariah Law.   

It is you, dear Jillian, who is ignorant of the reality of what life is like for a woman under Islamic rule.  I don&#039;t care how many Americanized muhajibeen you have met.

You are typical of those who think that Islam as practiced in America is the true Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are mistaken Jillian, I have lived with a family for two years in the middle east where the mother and daughter were quite brainwashed regarding their clothing.  I assume that you live in America where the muhajibeen you&#8217;ve met wear what they do because they want to.  Sadly, if this is the extent of your experience with women wearing a hijab then you are living under a delusion.</p>
<p>For example, I have met Muslim converts in America that say they know of Muslims who have converted to Christianity and were not killed or forced to renounce their conversion.  Yes, this is true.  In America, a Muslim can convert without worrying about being killed for apostasy.  However, let him try that in a Muslim country.</p>
<p>The same goes for Muslim women in America.  Rarely are they killed for not dressing in full hijab although there are still examples in the news about fathers killing their daughters for wearing tight jeans.  However, in Muslim countries, daughters who break the dress code and dishonor their families are indeed killed.  The UN says there are more than 5,000 reported honor killings each year.</p>
<p>So people like you, who only know Muslims in America, are not getting the full picture.  The same muhajiba in America who voluntarily (and stupidly not realizing what she is doing) wears the hijab, certainly would have no choice in how she dresses in countries under Shariah Law.   </p>
<p>It is you, dear Jillian, who is ignorant of the reality of what life is like for a woman under Islamic rule.  I don&#8217;t care how many Americanized muhajibeen you have met.</p>
<p>You are typical of those who think that Islam as practiced in America is the true Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: Molly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with this, and thank you for pointing out the camera angles!  I hadn&#039;t noticed before, but that&#039;s significant.

I was also a little confused by the OP&#039;s insistence that &quot;The idea that a woman might want to be FREE from capitulating to the male gaze (even if just an imagined one) is left unexplored.&quot; -- since it seems to me that that is a perfectly valid interpretation of the intentions of the woman in the advertisement.  (Not the actress, obviously, but certainly the character she plays.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this, and thank you for pointing out the camera angles!  I hadn&#8217;t noticed before, but that&#8217;s significant.</p>
<p>I was also a little confused by the OP&#8217;s insistence that &#8220;The idea that a woman might want to be FREE from capitulating to the male gaze (even if just an imagined one) is left unexplored.&#8221; &#8212; since it seems to me that that is a perfectly valid interpretation of the intentions of the woman in the advertisement.  (Not the actress, obviously, but certainly the character she plays.)</p>
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		<title>By: Elisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 04:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This same ad was posted on muslimah media watch and I think the poster did a great job talking about it.

http://muslimahmediawatch.org/2009/11/sexiness-for-everyone-even-muslims/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This same ad was posted on muslimah media watch and I think the poster did a great job talking about it.</p>
<p><a href="http://muslimahmediawatch.org/2009/11/sexiness-for-everyone-even-muslims/" rel="nofollow">http://muslimahmediawatch.org/2009/11/sexiness-for-everyone-even-muslims/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fembot</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/21/lingerie-as-liberating/comment-page-1/#comment-149767</link>
		<dc:creator>Fembot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose you could find a counterpoint for any argument, but the general thrust of what I&#039;m saying is that women are critiqued on their looks first, and their abilities second.  You might find a short, or as you put it, &quot;plump&quot; business woman in a magazine, but is she also ugly?  Does she have gray hair?  Is she wearing makeup?  A woman might be able to &quot;slide&quot; on some of the usual non-negotiables, but not on all of them.  If you&#039;re fat, you better have a pretty face.  And if you&#039;re short, you better be dressed in an elongating suit.  Can you image a female-version of Steve Wozniak, invited to compete on Dacing with the Stars?  Not a chance in hell.

Men in the public, and in general, are not criticized about their appearance anywhere close to the same amount that women are.  Just because such criticism has occurred doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s comparable, and that&#039;s the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose you could find a counterpoint for any argument, but the general thrust of what I&#8217;m saying is that women are critiqued on their looks first, and their abilities second.  You might find a short, or as you put it, &#8220;plump&#8221; business woman in a magazine, but is she also ugly?  Does she have gray hair?  Is she wearing makeup?  A woman might be able to &#8220;slide&#8221; on some of the usual non-negotiables, but not on all of them.  If you&#8217;re fat, you better have a pretty face.  And if you&#8217;re short, you better be dressed in an elongating suit.  Can you image a female-version of Steve Wozniak, invited to compete on Dacing with the Stars?  Not a chance in hell.</p>
<p>Men in the public, and in general, are not criticized about their appearance anywhere close to the same amount that women are.  Just because such criticism has occurred doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s comparable, and that&#8217;s the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Pearl</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/21/lingerie-as-liberating/comment-page-1/#comment-149760</link>
		<dc:creator>Pearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh, true. 

heck, victimize everyone. women in the west are obligated to show cleavage even when feeling cold. men have to cover up even when its hot because a male body is only for comedy.  

To generalize we get into deep water fast.

The hijab is many things: symbol of culture, symbol of relationship to God, or functional gear to not distract libidos from the spiritual matters of living and whatever relationships others around others are in. Culturally people try to get around the hijab with eye makeup and gait, the way schoolgirls try to get around dress code.

I&#039;ve heard women snicker at women at no longer needing the hijab (add old and ugly jokes) and to continue to wear one was flirting with vanity, or misleading packaging. 

But then, that&#039;s only some people. 

The ad is meant to elicit thought. 

While covering up could be taken as no-sex paradigm for women, the ad reminds that there is an individual under the uniform modesty. And she may not be what one expects on seeing just the outermost cover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh, true. </p>
<p>heck, victimize everyone. women in the west are obligated to show cleavage even when feeling cold. men have to cover up even when its hot because a male body is only for comedy.  </p>
<p>To generalize we get into deep water fast.</p>
<p>The hijab is many things: symbol of culture, symbol of relationship to God, or functional gear to not distract libidos from the spiritual matters of living and whatever relationships others around others are in. Culturally people try to get around the hijab with eye makeup and gait, the way schoolgirls try to get around dress code.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard women snicker at women at no longer needing the hijab (add old and ugly jokes) and to continue to wear one was flirting with vanity, or misleading packaging. </p>
<p>But then, that&#8217;s only some people. </p>
<p>The ad is meant to elicit thought. </p>
<p>While covering up could be taken as no-sex paradigm for women, the ad reminds that there is an individual under the uniform modesty. And she may not be what one expects on seeing just the outermost cover.</p>
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		<title>By: Pearl</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/21/lingerie-as-liberating/comment-page-1/#comment-149757</link>
		<dc:creator>Pearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, actually scanning thru business magazine, quite a few of the top managers who are female tend towards short and plump. Not all. Some look ahtletic. Are females underrepesented in business? Undoubtably.

And some female leaders are criticized a frumpy, such as one in Canadian Parliament a decade ago. But weight is commented on for males as well and there have been ridiculous amounts of ink devoted to the suits and sweaters of male politicians while ignoring what was actually said. Feh, what can you do. Humans are funny monkeys.

I missed all the Michelle Obama biceps stories. It seems to me that I saw a couple on Obama working out and jogging photos and beach photos which was a kerfuffle of are we allowed to sexualize our leaders, having forgotten about JFK as heartthrob years in the intervening time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, actually scanning thru business magazine, quite a few of the top managers who are female tend towards short and plump. Not all. Some look ahtletic. Are females underrepesented in business? Undoubtably.</p>
<p>And some female leaders are criticized a frumpy, such as one in Canadian Parliament a decade ago. But weight is commented on for males as well and there have been ridiculous amounts of ink devoted to the suits and sweaters of male politicians while ignoring what was actually said. Feh, what can you do. Humans are funny monkeys.</p>
<p>I missed all the Michelle Obama biceps stories. It seems to me that I saw a couple on Obama working out and jogging photos and beach photos which was a kerfuffle of are we allowed to sexualize our leaders, having forgotten about JFK as heartthrob years in the intervening time.</p>
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		<title>By: Pearl</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/21/lingerie-as-liberating/comment-page-1/#comment-149748</link>
		<dc:creator>Pearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; I think it also goes that prettifying yourself does not necessarily mean a resignation to female/sexual objectification. Is there anything wrong in loving your own body?...Dress for yourself, while the world has notions on women in burkas or women in lingerie – feel beautiful by yourself, on your own.

Agree with Cat who got to those point before I did.

Sure, the women in ad is advertizing&#039;s typical thin and young and beautiful. A trifle &quot;done&quot;. Would the plot work if it were a middle aged plump women giving herself the same beauty treatment to go outside? Maybe. It might be contentious. It might work as well or better.

The women in ad (surprise twist ending) seems to be going for a sexual rendez-vous with someone (male or female) since you&#039;d normally layer underwear, around the house clothes, 
then the modesty layer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I think it also goes that prettifying yourself does not necessarily mean a resignation to female/sexual objectification. Is there anything wrong in loving your own body?&#8230;Dress for yourself, while the world has notions on women in burkas or women in lingerie – feel beautiful by yourself, on your own.</p>
<p>Agree with Cat who got to those point before I did.</p>
<p>Sure, the women in ad is advertizing&#8217;s typical thin and young and beautiful. A trifle &#8220;done&#8221;. Would the plot work if it were a middle aged plump women giving herself the same beauty treatment to go outside? Maybe. It might be contentious. It might work as well or better.</p>
<p>The women in ad (surprise twist ending) seems to be going for a sexual rendez-vous with someone (male or female) since you&#8217;d normally layer underwear, around the house clothes,<br />
then the modesty layer.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is simplifying it a bit much in a sociological context but I think it&#039;s also strange that we impose our anger/beliefs/ideologies on something that could be interpreted very simply. It&#039;s obvious that the shots were meant to be &quot;secretive&quot;. Meaning that the woman was doing the prettifying etc. for herself and not necessarily for the camera. The camera, it seems is showing us her world. 

And while the wearing of burkas does not necessarily mean oppression (especially not on a cultural level or that of personal choice), I think it also goes that prettifying yourself does not necessarily mean a resignation to female/sexual objectification. Is there anything wrong in loving your own body? Granted, the actress portraying the character is not your average, &quot;typical&quot; girl - its message appeals to me. Dress for yourself, while the world has notions on women in burkas or women in lingerie - feel beautiful by yourself, on your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is simplifying it a bit much in a sociological context but I think it&#8217;s also strange that we impose our anger/beliefs/ideologies on something that could be interpreted very simply. It&#8217;s obvious that the shots were meant to be &#8220;secretive&#8221;. Meaning that the woman was doing the prettifying etc. for herself and not necessarily for the camera. The camera, it seems is showing us her world. </p>
<p>And while the wearing of burkas does not necessarily mean oppression (especially not on a cultural level or that of personal choice), I think it also goes that prettifying yourself does not necessarily mean a resignation to female/sexual objectification. Is there anything wrong in loving your own body? Granted, the actress portraying the character is not your average, &#8220;typical&#8221; girl &#8211; its message appeals to me. Dress for yourself, while the world has notions on women in burkas or women in lingerie &#8211; feel beautiful by yourself, on your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian C. York</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillian C. York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, what planet of ignorance are you people from?!  Are you assuming that all Muslim societies force women to wear a &quot;burka&quot; (btw, the burqa is Afghan, and solely Afghan and it is no longer a requirement, though I&#039;m by no means praising Afghanistan&#039;s treatment of women...at least bother to use the terminology)

In many (maybe even most) Muslim societies there is considerable societal pressure on women to wear hijab (the headscarf) just as there is pressure on women here to look a certain way.  In some Muslim societies, there is also other pressure on women NOT to wear it (for example, women in banking or journalism are discouraged from wearing it in places like Morocco), and in other Muslim societies (Turkey) women aren&#039;t even ALLOWED to wear it in certain places (schools).

But please, victimize Muslim women a little more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, what planet of ignorance are you people from?!  Are you assuming that all Muslim societies force women to wear a &#8220;burka&#8221; (btw, the burqa is Afghan, and solely Afghan and it is no longer a requirement, though I&#8217;m by no means praising Afghanistan&#8217;s treatment of women&#8230;at least bother to use the terminology)</p>
<p>In many (maybe even most) Muslim societies there is considerable societal pressure on women to wear hijab (the headscarf) just as there is pressure on women here to look a certain way.  In some Muslim societies, there is also other pressure on women NOT to wear it (for example, women in banking or journalism are discouraged from wearing it in places like Morocco), and in other Muslim societies (Turkey) women aren&#8217;t even ALLOWED to wear it in certain places (schools).</p>
<p>But please, victimize Muslim women a little more.</p>
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		<title>By: adilegian</title>
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		<dc:creator>adilegian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I won’t say anyone, but most people, no matter how they look, if they are competent enough (for whatever activity) they’ll be valued for that amongst any person with a shred of common sense.&quot;

This observation comes from within the nest of privilege. &quot;Common sense&quot; dictates that we judge men according to competency but that we also judge women according to standards so far outside concerns of competence it&#039;s ridiculous. Really, to value a woman for competency alone requires &quot;uncommon sense.&quot;

Just because the train isn&#039;t hitting you doesn&#039;t mean that the train doesn&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I won’t say anyone, but most people, no matter how they look, if they are competent enough (for whatever activity) they’ll be valued for that amongst any person with a shred of common sense.&#8221;</p>
<p>This observation comes from within the nest of privilege. &#8220;Common sense&#8221; dictates that we judge men according to competency but that we also judge women according to standards so far outside concerns of competence it&#8217;s ridiculous. Really, to value a woman for competency alone requires &#8220;uncommon sense.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just because the train isn&#8217;t hitting you doesn&#8217;t mean that the train doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Fembot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fembot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes, not cool, but not a big deal either.&quot;

Are you for serious?

Maybe it&#039;s not a &quot;big deal&quot; if you&#039;re a man, and your male privilege shields you from female reality.  Tell me, how many ugly, short, overweight female CEOs are out there?  None.  You know why?  Because if a woman wants to get ahead in business, and in society, she has to be well educated, well dressed, well spoken, beautiful, feminine, and motherly.  If she&#039;s not, she&#039;s criticized. She&#039;s called a ball-breaker, a bitch, homely, and frumpy.  Because the only thing we ever think is worth talking about is how a woman looks.  Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin, anyone?

How about another example. 

Remember all those stories talking about Michelle Obama&#039;s sleeveless dress and chiseled biceps?  Now tell me how many articles have been written about President Obama&#039;s arms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, not cool, but not a big deal either.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you for serious?</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s not a &#8220;big deal&#8221; if you&#8217;re a man, and your male privilege shields you from female reality.  Tell me, how many ugly, short, overweight female CEOs are out there?  None.  You know why?  Because if a woman wants to get ahead in business, and in society, she has to be well educated, well dressed, well spoken, beautiful, feminine, and motherly.  If she&#8217;s not, she&#8217;s criticized. She&#8217;s called a ball-breaker, a bitch, homely, and frumpy.  Because the only thing we ever think is worth talking about is how a woman looks.  Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin, anyone?</p>
<p>How about another example. </p>
<p>Remember all those stories talking about Michelle Obama&#8217;s sleeveless dress and chiseled biceps?  Now tell me how many articles have been written about President Obama&#8217;s arms.</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/21/lingerie-as-liberating/comment-page-1/#comment-148792</link>
		<dc:creator>Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is pretty lame to compare the situation of western women with those of women living in a society where they have to wear a burka else they will be ostracized or worse. 

No person here is required to look like what &quot;society expects&quot; you to look like. &quot;Oh but society will punish me&quot;, yeah, incredible punishment like looking you weird or judging you before getting a chance to talk to you. 

Yes, not cool, but not a big deal either. I won&#039;t say anyone, but most people, no matter how they look, if they are competent enough (for whatever activity) they&#039;ll be valued for that amongst any person with a shred of common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is pretty lame to compare the situation of western women with those of women living in a society where they have to wear a burka else they will be ostracized or worse. </p>
<p>No person here is required to look like what &#8220;society expects&#8221; you to look like. &#8220;Oh but society will punish me&#8221;, yeah, incredible punishment like looking you weird or judging you before getting a chance to talk to you. </p>
<p>Yes, not cool, but not a big deal either. I won&#8217;t say anyone, but most people, no matter how they look, if they are competent enough (for whatever activity) they&#8217;ll be valued for that amongst any person with a shred of common sense.</p>
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