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		<title>By: Deepthi W &#187; Archive &#187; Poverty Porn: Reinforcing the Imperialist Gaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deepthi W &#187; Archive &#187; Poverty Porn: Reinforcing the Imperialist Gaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was an interesting post on Sociological Images (introduced to me by Katharine) about the &#8220;Slumdog Shooting technique.&#8221; I responded to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: piper</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/20/which-images-represent-india/comment-page-1/#comment-165160</link>
		<dc:creator>piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not related to the immediate discussion but the &quot;historical monument&quot; the presenter is perched on is actually a &quot;Baoli&quot; or a Mughal era step-well..the water level in a lot of these around Delhi has sunk significantly over the last few decades, perhaps another reference to the climate change in the ad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not related to the immediate discussion but the &#8220;historical monument&#8221; the presenter is perched on is actually a &#8220;Baoli&#8221; or a Mughal era step-well..the water level in a lot of these around Delhi has sunk significantly over the last few decades, perhaps another reference to the climate change in the ad</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/20/which-images-represent-india/comment-page-1/#comment-153963</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, there are middle class people in India, but I&#039;d wager that most people are pretty poor, just because of how low their GDP per capita is.

There seems to be some major denial going on here. 


Also, &quot;poverty porn&quot; is a horrible term. It&#039;s so freaking negative. 

Also, Slumdog was a movie about slum dweller. Should the director, Danny Boyle, include middle class wealthy people hanging out in the slums to give an evenhanded view of life in India? I don&#039;t get the controversy over that film. 
Also, why does every damned movie about a minority have to be some political statement about the reality of minority life. Can&#039;t &quot;Slumdog Millionare&quot; just be a movie about a poor person overcoming the odds/escaping reality, that just happens to be set in India? It is a wonderful story when viewed that way. Why does it come under more scrutiny than say a movie like &quot;Frozen River&quot; or &quot;Wendy and Lucy?&quot; The same goes for the movie &quot;Precious&quot; as well, which seems to be getting labeled with the same criticisms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, there are middle class people in India, but I&#8217;d wager that most people are pretty poor, just because of how low their GDP per capita is.</p>
<p>There seems to be some major denial going on here. </p>
<p>Also, &#8220;poverty porn&#8221; is a horrible term. It&#8217;s so freaking negative. </p>
<p>Also, Slumdog was a movie about slum dweller. Should the director, Danny Boyle, include middle class wealthy people hanging out in the slums to give an evenhanded view of life in India? I don&#8217;t get the controversy over that film.<br />
Also, why does every damned movie about a minority have to be some political statement about the reality of minority life. Can&#8217;t &#8220;Slumdog Millionare&#8221; just be a movie about a poor person overcoming the odds/escaping reality, that just happens to be set in India? It is a wonderful story when viewed that way. Why does it come under more scrutiny than say a movie like &#8220;Frozen River&#8221; or &#8220;Wendy and Lucy?&#8221; The same goes for the movie &#8220;Precious&#8221; as well, which seems to be getting labeled with the same criticisms.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/20/which-images-represent-india/comment-page-1/#comment-153949</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consensus of other scientific papers points to global warming. Hard for a conspiracy to infect every single university. Plus, people can learn the methods/ retest the papers to see if the people are lying. Of course it&#039;s easier to think there is a &quot;conspiracy.&quot;


Also, the way greenhouse gases work, reflecting short wave radiation, and allowing long wave radiation to pass through, means that when energy hits the earth, (and loses energy/ becomes longer /because that&#039;s what happens)more greenhouse gases create a barrier that warms the earth. 

It&#039;s simple science actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consensus of other scientific papers points to global warming. Hard for a conspiracy to infect every single university. Plus, people can learn the methods/ retest the papers to see if the people are lying. Of course it&#8217;s easier to think there is a &#8220;conspiracy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, the way greenhouse gases work, reflecting short wave radiation, and allowing long wave radiation to pass through, means that when energy hits the earth, (and loses energy/ becomes longer /because that&#8217;s what happens)more greenhouse gases create a barrier that warms the earth. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s simple science actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/20/which-images-represent-india/comment-page-1/#comment-149098</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing: the purpose of this video is to get people engaged and active on climate change. This is the single biggest problem of our time - what are *you* doing to solve it, since this attempt isn&#039;t good enough for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing: the purpose of this video is to get people engaged and active on climate change. This is the single biggest problem of our time &#8211; what are *you* doing to solve it, since this attempt isn&#8217;t good enough for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this criticism is really stunning and disturbing. I&#039;m American but have lived in Delhi and this felt extremely authentic to me. There are actually quite a lot of images of middle class people in this video. There are even more shots of people whose class can&#039;t really be determined by the quick cuts seen her. And yes, there are shots of poor people, but India still has an absolutely enormous poverty problem and that&#039;s not being helped by environmental devastation. 

As for the rich colors - well, lots of TV ads, shows, movies, etc. are filmed in very rich color these days. It&#039;s a trend. And to be honest, Delhi *is* an incredibly colorful and vibrant city that really comes alive with this color-drenched filming style (sorry, I don&#039;t know what it&#039;s called). Just because it&#039;s a cliche doesn&#039;t make it false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this criticism is really stunning and disturbing. I&#8217;m American but have lived in Delhi and this felt extremely authentic to me. There are actually quite a lot of images of middle class people in this video. There are even more shots of people whose class can&#8217;t really be determined by the quick cuts seen her. And yes, there are shots of poor people, but India still has an absolutely enormous poverty problem and that&#8217;s not being helped by environmental devastation. </p>
<p>As for the rich colors &#8211; well, lots of TV ads, shows, movies, etc. are filmed in very rich color these days. It&#8217;s a trend. And to be honest, Delhi *is* an incredibly colorful and vibrant city that really comes alive with this color-drenched filming style (sorry, I don&#8217;t know what it&#8217;s called). Just because it&#8217;s a cliche doesn&#8217;t make it false.</p>
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		<title>By: thewhatifgirl</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/20/which-images-represent-india/comment-page-1/#comment-148050</link>
		<dc:creator>thewhatifgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I don&#039;t trust hackers.

Second, I would rather think that global warming was occurring and be wrong than believe it WASN&#039;T occurring and be wrong.  Devastation vs. humiliation... hmm, which one do I choose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I don&#8217;t trust hackers.</p>
<p>Second, I would rather think that global warming was occurring and be wrong than believe it WASN&#8217;T occurring and be wrong.  Devastation vs. humiliation&#8230; hmm, which one do I choose?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/20/which-images-represent-india/comment-page-1/#comment-147925</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I&#039;m really stunned by how perceptive this commentary is not.

There are some definite similarities to Slumdog in the video&#039;s aesthetic - the color oversaturation, dramatic angles, skewed formal composition, quick incidental images of people and faces with heavily symbolic detail, and so forth. But never mind that this technique was already ubiquitous in everything from American Express ads to popular films ranging from &quot;Mystic River&quot; to &quot;The Constant Gardener.&quot; Did Deepa even watch the video, or just react straight out of her arse? If you blinked a couple of times, you&#039;d miss the brief flashes of dire poverty - which certainly do represent a huge number of people. And how are we to know that none of the people pictured here were &quot;westernized English speaking people&quot; when we don&#039;t hear them speak at all? 

As for the use of English... why on earth would you produce a short commercial for an English-speaking audience, featuring a perfectly eloquent English speaker, but not make it in English? 

And why should a 90-second ad about climate change be expected to &quot;represent&quot; every facet of a society of 1.2 billion people? Is that even possible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I&#8217;m really stunned by how perceptive this commentary is not.</p>
<p>There are some definite similarities to Slumdog in the video&#8217;s aesthetic &#8211; the color oversaturation, dramatic angles, skewed formal composition, quick incidental images of people and faces with heavily symbolic detail, and so forth. But never mind that this technique was already ubiquitous in everything from American Express ads to popular films ranging from &#8220;Mystic River&#8221; to &#8220;The Constant Gardener.&#8221; Did Deepa even watch the video, or just react straight out of her arse? If you blinked a couple of times, you&#8217;d miss the brief flashes of dire poverty &#8211; which certainly do represent a huge number of people. And how are we to know that none of the people pictured here were &#8220;westernized English speaking people&#8221; when we don&#8217;t hear them speak at all? </p>
<p>As for the use of English&#8230; why on earth would you produce a short commercial for an English-speaking audience, featuring a perfectly eloquent English speaker, but not make it in English? </p>
<p>And why should a 90-second ad about climate change be expected to &#8220;represent&#8221; every facet of a society of 1.2 billion people? Is that even possible?</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. A lot of these people looked middle class to me. There are about 16 or 17 shots of people who are middle class or unidentifiable in class as opposed to 5 or 6 shots of people who are identifiably living in poverty. Yes, I counted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. A lot of these people looked middle class to me. There are about 16 or 17 shots of people who are middle class or unidentifiable in class as opposed to 5 or 6 shots of people who are identifiably living in poverty. Yes, I counted.</p>
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		<title>By: VinceP1974</title>
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		<dc:creator>VinceP1974</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&amp;pz=1&amp;cf=all&amp;ned=us&amp;hl=en&amp;q=cru+hacked</description>
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		<title>By: In Progress &#187; Poverty Porn is an Imperialist Argument</title>
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		<dc:creator>In Progress &#187; Poverty Porn is an Imperialist Argument</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was an interesting post on Sociological Images (introduced to me by Katharine) about the &#8220;Slumdog Shooting technique.&#8221; I responded to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Deepthi</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/20/which-images-represent-india/comment-page-1/#comment-146764</link>
		<dc:creator>Deepthi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Sri Lankan (which shouldn&#039;t necessarily give my opinion more weight than a Westerner but may matter to some) and I don&#039;t see either Slumdog or this as &quot;poverty porn,&quot; a revolting phrase that I think the people who came up with should be more ashamed of than those who it&#039;s applied to. Slumdog was a story about three people from the slums, it was hardly portraying itself as an accurate depiction of the entire country of India or the city of Mumbai--which could hardly happen in a single movie anyway, since it is so diverse. 

To my eye, there were quite a lot of middle-class people presented in this video, I think people who haven&#039;t spent much time in cities of this economic strata might not realize they are middle class because their clothes aren&#039;t as fancy as middle-class in more developed countries. And please tell me, what would be the point of including rich people in this? Because the narrator says the crisis spans all classes? Would you have the same requirement of including what would probably be rather random-looking footage in a montage about climate issues in the US that tries to highlight the people who are out in public, unprotected from the impact? 

I think the level of sensitivity is very hard to negotiate around these issues, but that the &quot;poverty porn&quot; argument does take it to a very damaging and ultimately useless and bitter end. I also think that expecting every visual representation of a place be completely three-dimensional and accurately representational is totalizing and damaging to art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Sri Lankan (which shouldn&#8217;t necessarily give my opinion more weight than a Westerner but may matter to some) and I don&#8217;t see either Slumdog or this as &#8220;poverty porn,&#8221; a revolting phrase that I think the people who came up with should be more ashamed of than those who it&#8217;s applied to. Slumdog was a story about three people from the slums, it was hardly portraying itself as an accurate depiction of the entire country of India or the city of Mumbai&#8211;which could hardly happen in a single movie anyway, since it is so diverse. </p>
<p>To my eye, there were quite a lot of middle-class people presented in this video, I think people who haven&#8217;t spent much time in cities of this economic strata might not realize they are middle class because their clothes aren&#8217;t as fancy as middle-class in more developed countries. And please tell me, what would be the point of including rich people in this? Because the narrator says the crisis spans all classes? Would you have the same requirement of including what would probably be rather random-looking footage in a montage about climate issues in the US that tries to highlight the people who are out in public, unprotected from the impact? </p>
<p>I think the level of sensitivity is very hard to negotiate around these issues, but that the &#8220;poverty porn&#8221; argument does take it to a very damaging and ultimately useless and bitter end. I also think that expecting every visual representation of a place be completely three-dimensional and accurately representational is totalizing and damaging to art.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hadley_hacked/</description>
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		<title>By: azcarya</title>
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		<dc:creator>azcarya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi I am Indian, and I dont see it that way. Slumdog is porn but this is different in that it doesnt seem as exploitative as that movie - as the first comment makes clear the use of non-middle class people is necessary since they will suffer the most. If they had taken an middle class indian person taught him to speak with an english or american accent and pretend to be from a slum that would be slumdog porn. This documentary is much more ethical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi I am Indian, and I dont see it that way. Slumdog is porn but this is different in that it doesnt seem as exploitative as that movie &#8211; as the first comment makes clear the use of non-middle class people is necessary since they will suffer the most. If they had taken an middle class indian person taught him to speak with an english or american accent and pretend to be from a slum that would be slumdog porn. This documentary is much more ethical.</p>
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		<title>By: Titanis walleri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Titanis walleri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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